Fusion + Orange Box?

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  1. ArtOfWarfare macrumors 604

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    Okay, I saw some gameplay footage of portal... and man, that game looks awesome! It's enough that I really want The Orange Box (after all, maybe the other games in it are good too :p)

    But... I'd rather not run it in Boot Camp... and I've read that CrossOver won't run Portal. (And I tried out the trial version of CrossOver... it didn't even work with the programs that it said it would.)

    So, I want Fusion...

    I'm just wondering, is there a discount bundle somewhere? Like, where I can buy Fusion and The Orange Box together to save 20% or something?
     
  2. Dagless macrumors Core

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    The Orange Box is £25 on Steam, so each game costs £5 which is a pretty savvy deal.

    As for Fusion? Hmm. I've had terrible results playing with anything other than Bootcamp. Other methods require you to drop to DirectX7 or 8 to get the same performance as Bootcamp (which uses DirectX9). Load times seemed extended too. I found it would take 15 seconds to load a level in Portal with Bootcamp, the other methods pushed it to 1-2 minutes.
     
  3. ArtOfWarfare thread starter macrumors 604

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    Oh?

    What about Parallels then? Does anyone know if that has significantly worse performance than Boot Camp?
     
  4. Help! macrumors regular

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    Yes, it has significantly worse performance. I'm not sure that any of the orangebox games would run in parallels. Even if they would, they will perform much, much better with bootcamp.
     
  5. Dagless macrumors Core

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    For comparison.

    In Bootcamp I run Team Fortress 2 with-
    1440x900 fullscreen, 2xAA, 8xAF, DirectX9c, HDR+Bloom+Motion blur. Everything is set to middle (high quality models though).

    To get the same performance on Parallels I have to run with-
    800x600 windowed, 0xAA, 0xAF, DirectX8. Everything set to low.

    It's not worth it. So much of the brilliant art direction is lost, plus I get an odd millisecond pause every 2-3 seconds with Parallels.
     
  6. italiano40 macrumors 65816

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    for gaming i would use boot camp not on fusion
     
  7. muymal macrumors member

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    crossover works with portal, but only in 800x600 resolution, just type
    -dxlevel80 in the launch line.
     
  8. ArtOfWarfare thread starter macrumors 604

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    alright then...

    I'm coming to the conclusion that I should just save my money and buy Orange Box by itself and not worry about fusion or any other software like it.

    I mean, I don't think the tradeoff is worth it.

    Cons of emulation software:
    I don't already own it... so it'll cost me money.
    Graphics are going to take a hit.

    Cons of boot camp:
    Restart required to play.

    Well... my computer restarts pretty quick.

    One last question... what is "Steam"? Is it free (I mean in the sense that iTunes is free... you can download the software for free but have to pay for the music...)
     
  9. NAG macrumors 68030

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    Orange box doesn't work with Fusion anyway (not even the 2.0 beta). It gives some funky error about 1.1 shaders or something.

    And steam is just a distribution system like iTunes or the xbox live arcade.
     
  10. Dagless macrumors Core

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    Pretty much, it's just a content delivery system but with a Friends list, groups etc. Every weekend or so they have offers on where you can buy games for cheap. Prey was £2.50 a few weeks back! They also sell games in bundles which work out quite well too. I paid £28 for Unreal, Unreal 2, Tournament, UT2004 and UT3 (brand new). Worth every penny!

    You just need to download Steam and create an account once you get Bootcamp working.
     
  11. ArtOfWarfare thread starter macrumors 604

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    Yeah, Steam is great!

    I just got it!

    It's free to download the program... the games have a fixed price. (No reoccurring fees that I know of anyways...)

    I bought The Orange Box, 20% off what it costs in stores!

    Portal is definitely the best computer game I've played since WarCraft III. No, not just computer game... video game! (At least as far as single players go... Brawl isn't going to be beat when it comes to multiplayer with your friends for at least half a decade.)
     
  12. Dagless macrumors Core

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    I dunno! Give TF2 a try. It's the most addictive thing I've played :cool: I used to rack up 100 hours of gameplay every 2 weeks!
     
  13. ebel3003 macrumors 6502a

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    The new VMware beta supports DX9. Perhaps it runs better now.
     
  14. Cromulent macrumors 603

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    Unlikely. Your still running an entire OS within an OS. That drains huge amounts of the power of your machine.
     
  15. redsteven macrumors 6502a

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    U also have to split up your RAM between the two operating systems if your using virtualization.

    I figured that I'd give Crossover Games a shot yesterday. It sucked with TF2 on my imac : \
     
  16. ebel3003 macrumors 6502a

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    I realize that and never had any expectations of it running like you would in boot camp, but maybe it would perform in a playable state.
     
  17. Oraichu macrumors newbie

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    Crossover Games!!!

    Of course you have bootcamp, but if you want to play the game in Mac OS X, then Crossover Games is the way to go, without any doubt.

    Plays all games in the Orange box, smoothly!

    I got a 2.4ghz MacBook Pro, play all in 1200x700 resolution. I could probably play fullscreen as well, but I just chose this resolution + have the gaming window windowed so I can do other stuff while I play(1440x900 being the max resolution).

    Crossover Games also supports other Steam games and just other games in general.

    Here are all the games it supports:
    http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/group/?app_parent=4100;
     
  18. redsteven macrumors 6502a

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    Yes, that's almost certainly the way to go if you don't want to use bootcamp.

    You can download a free trial for 7 days.

    Keep in mind though that it does NOT support DirectX9. It supports Direct X8. It's not the end of the world, but it's an example of why bootcamp is the way to go if you're looking for max performance/graphics.
     
  19. ArtOfWarfare thread starter macrumors 604

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    Hmmm... nope.

    I hated crossover.

    It failed all of my tests.

    WarCraft II - Managed to install, failed to run.
    StarCraft: Project Revolution* - Failed completely.
    Steam - Failed completely.
    Portal - Since Steam failed, I never even got a chance to test this. FAILED!

    So maybe I'm just an idiot and incapable of properly using it, but if that's the case, I don't want to spend anything for something I can't use.

    It's a mod for WarCraft III... perhaps I shouldn't mention it though seeing as I was trying to use the windows only installer on the Mac OS X version.

    But for Boot Camp... everything has worked!

    ...

    Except the demo of Quake Wars which said my computer was inadequate in the graphics card department :(
     
  20. italiano40 macrumors 65816

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    just use boot camp it is the best option for gamers
     
  21. Dagless macrumors Core

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    That's unpossible! I've got an older iMac to you yet I managed to run Quake Wars, granted it wasn't fantastic performance but certainly playable with everything on mid.
     
  22. NAG macrumors 68030

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    Nope, as I said before it still errors out in Fusion with a complaint about shaders 1.1.
     
  23. Oraichu macrumors newbie

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    I acctually got it for free(legally) from CodeWeavers.

    You can apply to become an "Advocate" for CodeWeavers and advocate applications. Test the application in other words, and give feedback to CodeWeavers.

    Then you need to test each new beta that is released and write a short report on the how application worked with the new software.


    Did you try the new Crossover Games 7.0? Or was this tested on normal "Crossover"?

    I really think you should try it again, since it's really easy to use, and all the claimed supported software, have worked for me.

    You just click "Install software" on the top bar, then you chose Steam, and it automaticly downloads it for you and starts the installer.
    I was pretty sure this was idiot-proof. :p
     

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