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Go back and read the original post; I quite specifically refer to hardware Apple abandons and is then proven to work perfectly well once third-parties create patches and drivers to get them working. That's just Apple being lazy (or incompetent) at best, nefarious at worst. (Never used the word "indefinitely" - you put those letters in my keyboard. You can't just pretend someone else said something and then argue against that fictional thing you pretended someone else said. Also please stop calling me a wombat. I'm a human damnit, a human!)
Again no, you have no proof it works "perfectly well" in all situations because those third parties don't conduct exhaustive testing. They offer no guarantee. They do not provide any kind of legal or financial backing for their hacks. They are offered "as is" and "use at your own risk" PRECISELY because they are unofficial hacks that haven't been (and won't be) extensively tested. There is a cost to simply verifying OS support on any hardware, not to mention cost of fixing any errors AND testing those fixes not just on the older devices in question but NEWER devices as well, because what you THINK might be a fix for one system could then cause errors in another system. Anything Apple releases has to work on ALL the platforms it says it does, which means each release is going to be extensively tested on a lot of hardware. How do I know what that involves? Because its literally my job (though not for Apple). I do software testing for a living, and every configuration you add, every device you add, increases the cost. You have to draw the line at some point. I repeat, supporting older hardware that is increasingly rare in terms of how many are left in use does not make financial or practical sense. Its not about laziness, there is a significant investment involved for doing it.

For those who want to hack it to work, great, good for them, its a fun hobby and beneficial to others, but its not sustainable in the long run.

And yes, what you are suggesting is absolutely indefinite support. You didn't use the word, but your position is clearly that Apple should keep supporting older hardware. If you don't mean indefinite than you agree that there is a line at which it can and should be drawn. Which is exactly what Apple is doing. YOU may feel the line should be drawn differently, and that fine, but to suggest, without evidence, that there is only bad reasons for doing it is intellectually dishonest.
 
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Might be too expensive for a AS-based machine, that may come without dedicated GPU... and maybe no ports on the inside, at all.

I based the price according to the other so called "Pro" Macs available right now.

I still have to figure out how the current iMac Pro and future iterations of Mac mini will combine in Apple's catalogue.

The freshly announced Mac mini is a remarkable machine. That said, will other minis arrive with more RAM and ports in the future or will Apple rather offer a smaller Mac Pro including these features?
 
Why introduce a 13” M1 just to turn around and discontinue it for a 14” model in 6-9 months though? They could have just introduced the Air and mini.

Maybe that long-rumored 14” miniLED Pro model that will replace the higher end 13” Pro is going to be a little higher spec/more expensive, and they want to keep a Pro model (this new 13” M1 Pro) at the $1,299 price point?
I've been enjoying your posts/insights/thoughts on this matter.

I'm torn about keeping the M1 13" I just ordered because I've wanted to get the rumored 14"..... this makes most sense so if I don't fall in love with the M1 I may just have to return it and hold out for the 14". The only thing that makes me rethink waiting for the 14" is the price point.

I bought the M1 13" w/8GB and 512 storage and the $1,652.90 price tag on it is about as much as I want to spend. (If I hadn't just upgraded my iPhone I may feel differently about the price. Anyway, if it can last me the 7 years my 2013 MBP has then it's definitely worth the investment.

So I guess patience is what I'm up against.
 
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And yes, what you are suggesting is absolutely indefinite support. You didn't use the word, but your position is clearly that Apple should keep supporting older hardware. If you don't mean indefinite than you agree that there is a line at which it can and should be drawn. Which is exactly what Apple is doing. YOU may feel the line should be drawn differently, and that fine, but to suggest, without evidence, that there is only bad reasons for doing it is intellectually dishonest.

No, I am absolutely not. You are putting letters in my keyboard; Built a straw-man for the purposes of knocking it down to make a point and win a fictitious argument I'm not making in the first place. Saying anything else would be intellectually dishonest.

But let's just agree to stop hijacking the thread.

Interestingly I'll probably be in possession of 20+ of the new M1-based machines due to the CARES act in a month or two. Probably just the bottom-end 7-core or maybe the 8-core GPU MacBook Airs, but I'm certainly very interested in seeing how these work out. I'm tempted to go with the Intel-based machines, but I'm afraid Apple will cease building the OS for Intel sooner than they will for the ARM machines, and I always try to choose a model that won't get left behind sooner that necessary.
 
To be fair, Intel is carrying baggage from the 1980's with the 8086/8088 instruction set. Lot easier to make big leaps when you start from an architectures that's 30 years newer.
Intel is trying to make development difficult? Apple has gone through 3 completely different processors and related instruction sets since the original Apple II. If it’s so much easier for Intel to abandon the 86/88 instruction set and get leap frog performance, why don’t they?
 
To be fair, Intel is carrying baggage from the 1980's with the 8086/8088 instruction set. Lot easier to make big leaps when you start from an architectures that's 30 years newer.

Itanium was brand new and that didn't work out so well for them. Heck, their own RISC processors (i960) were not so hot, either.

To be fair to Intel, having listened to a number of deep dives on M1 and it's architecture, it benefits from Apple really knowing what it's operating systems need. For example, I learned that Objective C constantly queries memory to find out when no process is using it so it can be released. An Intel CPU can do this once every 30 nanoseconds whereas M1 can do it once every 6 (and every 15 when emulating Intel). So for that one task, M1 is much faster than Intel - and even emulating Intel. Now outside of macOS and Objective C, this is said to be not so common so it is not surprising Intel doesn't focus on this one aspect of performance. But Apple did with the M1 because they knew it was important to the performance of macOS and Mac apps.

And Apple will continue this focus over time with future M series SoCs, adding these most/more common needs to the M series and as such, the Mac and macOS will see larger and larger performance boosts from using the M series instead of Intel.
 
I've been enjoying your posts/insights/thoughts on this matter.

I'm torn about keeping the M1 13" I just ordered because I've wanted to get the rumored 14"..... this makes most sense so if I don't fall in love with the M1 I may just have to return it and hold out for the 14". The only thing that makes me rethink waiting for the 14" is the price point.

I bought the M1 13" w/8GB and 512 storage and the $1,652.90 price tag on it is about as much as I want to spend. (If I hadn't just upgraded my iPhone I may feel differently about the price. Anyway, if it can last me the 7 years my 2013 MBP has then it's definitely worth the investment.

So I guess patience is what I'm up against.
It’s tough to know what Apple’s up to 🙂

I remember when the 16” MBP was getting ready to be released, people thought it would be anywhere from $2,699 to $3,999. When it was released at the same $2,399 as the old 15”—and with a larger SSD no less—people were really surprised.

It looks like the upcoming 14” is going to replace the higher end 13”, the one with four TB3 ports that starts at $1,799. So you’d have:

1,299 13” Pro
1,799 14” Pro
2,399 16” Pro

Does the lower end $1,299 13” Pro (the model just released, that you bought) ever get upgraded to the 14” mini-LED display? No, maybe, probably, yes—take your pick! And if so, when? Whatever happens, it’ll probably be at least a year away.
 
Apple March event for next year will include Airpod Studio, Airtag, Mac Mini Pro and more.

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Think they'll finally put a touch screen soon now that you can use iOS apps?
 
Either way, it won't help as much as a bigger sensor.
True. Having said that, often you could be using an external 4K webcam but the quality is lost ‘at the other end’ because said person has a sketchy broadband connection! So sometimes quality gets ‘wasted’ in transmission... so 720p probably isn’t all that bad sometimes 😬
 
Revolutionary Chip. Great products for average users BUT a massive disappoint for any power user who multitasks. A max limit of 16GB shared memory between system and Graphics on any of these systems including a “pro” laptop is embarrassing. I use up my 32GB and need to upgrade to accommodate my workflow and can imagine others with more complex workflows who have similar needs. THE 16” MACBOOK PRO IS PAST DUE FOR AN UPGRADE, is behind its peers with 9th gen processor instead of intel 10th gen, has a 720p camera for video conferencing and is already missing some of the new Apple technologies. How can a pro user feel comfortable spending over $6000 on 16” MacBook Pro today?
As a "power user" myself, I'm not in the slightest bit disappointed about the first wave of M1 Macs because quite simply, they aren't machines intended for us at all. Contrary to what people are inferring, the first M1 Macs have the same spec options (max RAM, max storage, number of ports) as the specific model they replaced. It's not a case of Apple reducing or removing anything, at least not so far. When the next machines a little higher up the range are launched, there's no reason to suspect they won't also offer (at least) the same number of ports and RAM/storage options as the machines they replace too.

The only machine that seems different at first glance in this regard is the Mac Mini, AFAIK its immediate predecessors did allow for bigger RAM and storage upgrades. But this doesn't mean there won't be more Mac Mini variants to come. It looks more like they defined a certain set of spec parameters for the M1 (with only enough I/O bandwidth for two ports and so on), and they've iterated all the models that they saw as appropriate for that spec level. So they've decided to launch machines according to the version of the M-series chip they are announcing, not in the more familiar way of announcing say, a new Mac Mini and showing all the models it comes in at once. Maybe they'll return to that style of releases once the transition is done, but for now it looks like they're going this way. So there's no reason to think another Mac Mini won't be one of the models announced when the next higher spec M-series chip is launched, alongside the upper range MacBook Pros and perhaps the smaller iMac. That M-series variant will support more ports, RAM and storage as would be expected for the range of machines it goes into, and that's when things will start looking more relevant for power users.

As for the 720p camera, people tend to forget the physical dimensions of the lid of a MacBook compared to an iPhone. From what I've read, there just isn't a 1080p cam design in existence yet (I mean the actual component comprising the lens glass and the sensor) that's thin enough to fit into the tiny space in a MacBook display lid. I can already hear the uproar if Apple had added a huge ugly fat bump in the top of the lid of a MacBook Pro, just to accommodate an oversized camera lens/sensor system. It wouldn't even be as subtle as the camera bump on an iPhone, it would be hilariously huge and disproportionate because the MacBook lid is so much thinner than even the thinnest phone model.

So it's quite obvious why they've been able to go to 1080p cameras on the recent iMacs - there is no such dimensional constraint making it unfeasible. I'd wager they even held off on going to 1080p on the iMacs for a reason too. If the iMacs had gotten 1080p years ago, just imagine the pearl-clutching outrage of MacBook Pro owners over being "forgotten" for even longer. Obviously given what we know about iPhones, Apple have great camera systems to offer. But it's also obvious that they're stuck in a difficult place for now with the MacBook chassis design. Either a new 1080p lens/sensor assembly has to come along with an extremely thin profile while not compromising on quality, not being ultra fragile and also not being impossibly expensive. Or, they need a new chassis design with a lid thick enough to still be appealing as a MacBook Pro while also allowing a camera assembly - which by its very nature is larger - to fit.

Speaking of people being outraged by things: I think the main reason why Apple have started the Apple Silicon Mac launches at the very bottom of the range couldn't be more clear. Imagine if they had come out swinging with full fledged high-end MacBook Pros, like a 16" model with not only the same expansion options but also with on-paper specs that decimate the currently available model. Power users like us would be super excited of course. At first. But then the complaining would start - "but my apps aren't native yet!", "what's the point of this machine when none of my native drivers or plug ins are even announced let alone available??"... and so on.

Sure, back in the PPC to Intel transition they went out first with MacBook Pros, but the picture was _very_ different back then. Apple laptops were hurting badly at the time, stuck with G4s and literally years behind the competition in performance. So they had no choice but to hope people would trust in the original Rosetta, and push as much as possible to get Universal Binaries launched as quickly as possible from major 3rd party outfits.

This is not at all the picture today. The 16" MacBook Pro is more than OK as a competitive choice for pro users who want to use Mac OS. So in every measurable way, it's a far smarter move for Apple to get the ball rolling at the low end. After all, many people who buy the cheapest Mac laptops barely use any apps that don't come pre-installed with the machine, let alone any esoteric 3rd party apps that won't be AS-native for a while. That buys Apple (and its customer base of pro users) plenty of time for the updated apps, plug ins and drivers to start coming out. So by the time the higher-end pro machines are launched, there will be far less waiting (or none at all) for the native apps we need. I think it's a very wise choice in terms of timing, and all we pro users have to do is wait.
 
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As a "power user" myself, I'm not in the slightest bit disappointed about the first wave of M1 Macs because quite simply, they aren't machines intended for us at all. Contrary to what people are inferring, the first M1 Macs have the same spec options (max RAM, max storage, number of ports) as the specific model they replaced. It's not a case of Apple reducing or removing anything, at least not so far. When the next machines a little higher up the range are launched, there's no reason to suspect they won't also offer (at least) the same number of ports and RAM/storage options as the machines they replace too.

The only machine that seems different at first glance in this regard is the Mac Mini, AFAIK its immediate predecessors did allow for bigger RAM and storage upgrades. But this doesn't mean there won't be more Mac Mini variants to come. It looks more like they defined a certain set of spec parameters for the M1 (with only enough I/O bandwidth for two ports and so on), and they've iterated all the models that they saw as appropriate for that spec level. So they've decided to launch machines according to the version of the M-series chip they are announcing, not in the more familiar way of announcing say, a new Mac Mini and showing all the models it comes in at once. Maybe they'll return to that style of releases once the transition is done, but for now it looks like they're going this way. So there's no reason to think another Mac Mini will be one of the models announced when the next higher spec M-series chip is launched, alongside the upper range MacBook Pros and perhaps the smaller iMac. That M-series variant will support more ports, RAM and storage as would be expected for the range of machines it goes into, and that's when things will start looking more relevant for power users.

As for the 720p camera, people tend to forget the physical dimensions of the lid of a MacBook compared to an iPhone. From what I've read, there just isn't a 1080p cam design in existence yet (I mean the actual component comprising the lens glass and the sensor) that's thin enough to fit into the tiny space in a MacBook display lid. I can already hear the uproar if Apple had added a huge ugly fat bump in the top of the lid of a MacBook Pro, just to accommodate an oversized camera lens/sensor system. It wouldn't even be as subtle as the camera bump on an iPhone, it would be hilariously huge and disproportionate because the MacBook lid is so much thinner than even the thinnest phone model.

So it's quite obvious why they've been able to go to 1080p cameras on the recent iMacs - there is no such dimensional constraint making it unfeasible. I'd wager they even held off on going to 1080p on the iMacs for a reason too. If the iMacs had gotten 1080p years ago, just imagine the pearl-clutching outrage of MacBook Pro owners over being "forgotten" for even longer. Obviously given what we know about iPhones, Apple have great camera systems to offer. But it's also obvious that they're stuck in a difficult place for now with the MacBook chassis design. Either a new 1080p lens/sensor assembly has to come along with an extremely thin profile while not compromising on quality, not being ultra fragile and also not being impossibly expensive. Or, they need a new chassis design with a lid thick enough to still be appealing as a MacBook Pro while also allowing a camera assembly - which by its very nature is larger - to fit.

Speaking of people being outraged by things: I think the main reason why Apple have started the Apple Silicon Mac launches at the very bottom of the range couldn't be more clear. Imagine if they had come out swinging with full fledged high-end MacBook Pros, like a 16" model with not only the same expansion options but also with on-paper specs that decimate the currently available model. Power users like us would be super excited of course. At first. But then the complaining would start - "but my apps aren't native yet!", "what's the point of this machine when none of my native drivers or plug ins are even announced let alone available??"... and so on.

Sure, back in the PPC to Intel transition they went out first with MacBook Pros, but the picture was _very_ different back then. Apple laptops were hurting badly at the time, stuck with G4s and literally years behind the competition in performance. So they had no choice but to hope people would trust in the original Rosetta, and push as much as possible to get Universal Binaries launched as quickly as possible from major 3rd party outfits.

This is not at all the picture today. The 16" MacBook Pro is more than OK as a competitive choice for pro users who want to use Mac OS. So in every measurable way, it's a far smarter move for Apple to get the ball rolling at the low end. After all, many people who buy the cheapest Mac laptops barely use any apps that don't come pre-installed with the machine, let alone any esoteric 3rd party apps that won't be AS-native for a while. That buys Apple (and its customer base of pro users) plenty of time for the updated apps, plug ins and drivers to start coming out. So by the time the higher-end pro machines are launched, there will be far less waiting (or none at all) for the native apps we need. I think it's a very wise choice in terms of timing, and all we pro users have to do is wait.
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The current base 16” MBP has 16GB of CPU RAM and 4GB of Video RAM, for a total of 20 GB of total system RAM. The current M1 computer product line maxes out at 16 GB of unified RAM. Sure, the new M1 products can use fast SSD storage to compensate but not without slowing down processing and, potentially, wearing out the computer’s SSD memory which I understand cannot tolerate cumulative read/writes like volatile RAM.

Anyone out there with a better grounding than me in computer architecture that can put my mind at ease?
 
As a "power user" myself, I'm not in the slightest bit disappointed about the first wave of M1 Macs because quite simply, they aren't machines intended for us at all. Contrary to what people are inferring, the first M1 Macs have the same spec options (max RAM, max storage, number of ports) as the specific model they replaced. It's not a case of Apple reducing or removing anything, at least not so far. When the next machines a little higher up the range are launched, there's no reason to suspect they won't also offer (at least) the same number of ports and RAM/storage options as the machines they replace too.

The only machine that seems different at first glance in this regard is the Mac Mini, AFAIK its immediate predecessors did allow for bigger RAM and storage upgrades. But this doesn't mean there won't be more Mac Mini variants to come. It looks more like they defined a certain set of spec parameters for the M1 (with only enough I/O bandwidth for two ports and so on), and they've iterated all the models that they saw as appropriate for that spec level. So they've decided to launch machines according to the version of the M-series chip they are announcing, not in the more familiar way of announcing say, a new Mac Mini and showing all the models it comes in at once. Maybe they'll return to that style of releases once the transition is done, but for now it looks like they're going this way. So there's no reason to think another Mac Mini won't be one of the models announced when the next higher spec M-series chip is launched, alongside the upper range MacBook Pros and perhaps the smaller iMac. That M-series variant will support more ports, RAM and storage as would be expected for the range of machines it goes into, and that's when things will start looking more relevant for power users.

As for the 720p camera, people tend to forget the physical dimensions of the lid of a MacBook compared to an iPhone. From what I've read, there just isn't a 1080p cam design in existence yet (I mean the actual component comprising the lens glass and the sensor) that's thin enough to fit into the tiny space in a MacBook display lid. I can already hear the uproar if Apple had added a huge ugly fat bump in the top of the lid of a MacBook Pro, just to accommodate an oversized camera lens/sensor system. It wouldn't even be as subtle as the camera bump on an iPhone, it would be hilariously huge and disproportionate because the MacBook lid is so much thinner than even the thinnest phone model.

So it's quite obvious why they've been able to go to 1080p cameras on the recent iMacs - there is no such dimensional constraint making it unfeasible. I'd wager they even held off on going to 1080p on the iMacs for a reason too. If the iMacs had gotten 1080p years ago, just imagine the pearl-clutching outrage of MacBook Pro owners over being "forgotten" for even longer. Obviously given what we know about iPhones, Apple have great camera systems to offer. But it's also obvious that they're stuck in a difficult place for now with the MacBook chassis design. Either a new 1080p lens/sensor assembly has to come along with an extremely thin profile while not compromising on quality, not being ultra fragile and also not being impossibly expensive. Or, they need a new chassis design with a lid thick enough to still be appealing as a MacBook Pro while also allowing a camera assembly - which by its very nature is larger - to fit.

Speaking of people being outraged by things: I think the main reason why Apple have started the Apple Silicon Mac launches at the very bottom of the range couldn't be more clear. Imagine if they had come out swinging with full fledged high-end MacBook Pros, like a 16" model with not only the same expansion options but also with on-paper specs that decimate the currently available model. Power users like us would be super excited of course. At first. But then the complaining would start - "but my apps aren't native yet!", "what's the point of this machine when none of my native drivers or plug ins are even announced let alone available??"... and so on.

Sure, back in the PPC to Intel transition they went out first with MacBook Pros, but the picture was _very_ different back then. Apple laptops were hurting badly at the time, stuck with G4s and literally years behind the competition in performance. So they had no choice but to hope people would trust in the original Rosetta, and push as much as possible to get Universal Binaries launched as quickly as possible from major 3rd party outfits.

This is not at all the picture today. The 16" MacBook Pro is more than OK as a competitive choice for pro users who want to use Mac OS. So in every measurable way, it's a far smarter move for Apple to get the ball rolling at the low end. After all, many people who buy the cheapest Mac laptops barely use any apps that don't come pre-installed with the machine, let alone any esoteric 3rd party apps that won't be AS-native for a while. That buys Apple (and its customer base of pro users) plenty of time for the updated apps, plug ins and drivers to start coming out. So by the time the higher-end pro machines are launched, there will be far less waiting (or none at all) for the native apps we need. I think it's a very wise choice in terms of timing, and all we pro users have to do is wait.
As a "power user" myself, I'm not in the slightest bit disappointed about the first wave of M1 Macs because quite simply, they aren't machines intended for us at all. Contrary to what people are inferring, the first M1 Macs have the same spec options (max RAM, max storage, number of ports) as the specific model they replaced. It's not a case of Apple reducing or removing anything, at least not so far. When the next machines a little higher up the range are launched, there's no reason to suspect they won't also offer (at least) the same number of ports and RAM/storage options as the machines they replace too.

The only machine that seems different at first glance in this regard is the Mac Mini, AFAIK its immediate predecessors did allow for bigger RAM and storage upgrades. But this doesn't mean there won't be more Mac Mini variants to come. It looks more like they defined a certain set of spec parameters for the M1 (with only enough I/O bandwidth for two ports and so on), and they've iterated all the models that they saw as appropriate for that spec level. So they've decided to launch machines according to the version of the M-series chip they are announcing, not in the more familiar way of announcing say, a new Mac Mini and showing all the models it comes in at once. Maybe they'll return to that style of releases once the transition is done, but for now it looks like they're going this way. So there's no reason to think another Mac Mini won't be one of the models announced when the next higher spec M-series chip is launched, alongside the upper range MacBook Pros and perhaps the smaller iMac. That M-series variant will support more ports, RAM and storage as would be expected for the range of machines it goes into, and that's when things will start looking more relevant for power users.

As for the 720p camera, people tend to forget the physical dimensions of the lid of a MacBook compared to an iPhone. From what I've read, there just isn't a 1080p cam design in existence yet (I mean the actual component comprising the lens glass and the sensor) that's thin enough to fit into the tiny space in a MacBook display lid. I can already hear the uproar if Apple had added a huge ugly fat bump in the top of the lid of a MacBook Pro, just to accommodate an oversized camera lens/sensor system. It wouldn't even be as subtle as the camera bump on an iPhone, it would be hilariously huge and disproportionate because the MacBook lid is so much thinner than even the thinnest phone model.

So it's quite obvious why they've been able to go to 1080p cameras on the recent iMacs - there is no such dimensional constraint making it unfeasible. I'd wager they even held off on going to 1080p on the iMacs for a reason too. If the iMacs had gotten 1080p years ago, just imagine the pearl-clutching outrage of MacBook Pro owners over being "forgotten" for even longer. Obviously given what we know about iPhones, Apple have great camera systems to offer. But it's also obvious that they're stuck in a difficult place for now with the MacBook chassis design. Either a new 1080p lens/sensor assembly has to come along with an extremely thin profile while not compromising on quality, not being ultra fragile and also not being impossibly expensive. Or, they need a new chassis design with a lid thick enough to still be appealing as a MacBook Pro while also allowing a camera assembly - which by its very nature is larger - to fit.

Speaking of people being outraged by things: I think the main reason why Apple have started the Apple Silicon Mac launches at the very bottom of the range couldn't be more clear. Imagine if they had come out swinging with full fledged high-end MacBook Pros, like a 16" model with not only the same expansion options but also with on-paper specs that decimate the currently available model. Power users like us would be super excited of course. At first. But then the complaining would start - "but my apps aren't native yet!", "what's the point of this machine when none of my native drivers or plug ins are even announced let alone available??"... and so on.

Sure, back in the PPC to Intel transition they went out first with MacBook Pros, but the picture was _very_ different back then. Apple laptops were hurting badly at the time, stuck with G4s and literally years behind the competition in performance. So they had no choice but to hope people would trust in the original Rosetta, and push as much as possible to get Universal Binaries launched as quickly as possible from major 3rd party outfits.

This is not at all the picture today. The 16" MacBook Pro is more than OK as a competitive choice for pro users who want to use Mac OS. So in every measurable way, it's a far smarter move for Apple to get the ball rolling at the low end. After all, many people who buy the cheapest Mac laptops barely use any apps that don't come pre-installed with the machine, let alone any esoteric 3rd party apps that won't be AS-native for a while. That buys Apple (and its customer base of pro users) plenty of time for the updated apps, plug ins and drivers to start coming out. So by the time the higher-end pro machines are launched, there will be far less waiting (or none at all) for the native apps we need. I think it's a very wise choice in terms of timing, and all we pro users have to do is wait.
Finally! Some one with some sense and who’s hit the nail on the head. I’m a ‘newbie’, I’m not that technically minded (have chosen to work in a different field), but even I can see they’ve started at the bottom and will work their way up and it’s obvious as to why. I’ve ordered a new Mac Mini to replace a 9 year old MBP, so of course it will feel like I’m using something out of Star Trek! I think it’s exciting what the future holds - no, they can’t please everyone. If you don’t like it, sod off and go use a PC and then you can complain about all other manner of issues with them. Each to their own. I get that professional users are looking for stats and performance etc etc, but the vast majority just want something that goes well, looks cool and is a pleasure to use. Which for the most part, Apple products always have been. Hence why they charge [a price] like a wounded bull and people are prepared to simply hand over their ENTIRE wallet and say ‘charge me... with all the cards you can find in it!’

Edit: And yes, I accidentally quoted twice and can’t work out how to delete it properly while on a phone...!
 
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Update that webcam already! It’s embarrassing.
If you think that's embarrassing, try this on for size: apparently, there are people - supposedly technologically literate people - who actually base their decision on purchasing a computer around the quality of its webcam. Really, such people should not want more detailed imagery of of their face showing in zoom. Its like a paradox with a side order of irony.
 
Does each M1 has 16GB RAM and is 8GB upgraded to 16GB via an software switch!?
More likely its disabled on die via blowing fuses internally, possibly because the memory failed testing (thus binning into the cheaper part) or at least to prevent what you are thinking.
 
What the purpose of a 14" model other than cramming a 16" into a 14" form factor?
Why not returning the 12" too cramming 13,x into 12"?
Does the 1" make all that much difference? If you were hot for a 12", won't the new MB Air do just nicely? Is it not thin and light enough?

If you were thinking about a 14" how does the MB Pro at 13" fail to measure up?

I get that if you were choosing between 12", 13" and 14" you might up for one of the even numbered sizes, but if they are not available, it is kinda extreme to say you aren't going to purchase a 13" because it is too big or too small.
 
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More likely its disabled on die via blowing fuses internally, possibly because the memory failed testing (thus binning into the cheaper part) or at least to prevent what you are thinking.

The DRAM is on-package, but not on SoC so Apple might have two separate packages - one with 8GB and one with 16GB.
 
If you think that's embarrassing, try this on for size: apparently, there are people - supposedly technologically literate people - who actually base their decision on purchasing a computer around the quality of its webcam. Really, such people should not want more detailed imagery of of their face showing in zoom. Its like a paradox with a side order of irony.
That’s gold!!!! LOL. A very good point though, anyone who seriously wants a good webcam will no matter what computer they’re using, fork out for something like a 4K Brio. Or, more to the point, is probably using a DSLR camera hooked up to run through software for filming VLOGS etc etc.
 
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I bought the M1 13" w/8GB and 512 storage and the $1,652.90 price tag on it is about as much as I want to spend. (If I hadn't just upgraded my iPhone I may feel differently about the price. Anyway, if it can last me the 7 years my 2013 MBP has then it's definitely worth the investment.

So I guess patience is what I'm up against.
You might even consider getting the Air, since it is nearly as fast and $250 cheaper with the same storage. I expect the 14" to start at $1799 like the current 4-port 13" model (it's hard to call it the "higher end" when its GPU is half the speed and the CPU is 2/3 the speed of the "low-end" model).
 
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