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Future 'iPhone Ultra' Model Could Capture Spatial Photos and Videos for Vision Pro Headset

East India Company said:
I think that this was quite obvious that future “Pro” or ultra versions would capture content to leverage the apple vision. What apple wants is to create an interdependency to entice sales of the vision pro.
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IMO what Apple wants is to create good products. Interdependencies that entice sales are side benefits, not a primary goal.
 
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Allen_Wentz said:
More likely would simply be continued differentiation among iPhone models IMO. Folks who do not want larger camera systems could buy lower end. Note that this has for many decades always been the case with standalone cameras.
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Ah yes so the pro model becomes even less pro since those who don't want a tablet in their pocket get the short end of the stick again. maybe when they go ultra they will remove the pro name, jk apple will keep that since that is what they use to charge more even if its not "pro."
 
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Premium1 said:
Aka the camera bump is going to get even larger to make room for this new lens. At this point, might as well just make the whole back the camera like the old Windows Phones.
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And maybe 5% of people buying this phone will purchase the new headset.

Android phones are literally evolving before our eyes and Apple off in left field staring at its own face in the mirror with this insane headset on….
 
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lamboaudi4 said:
I have to say, that iPhone Ultra exterior mockup is looking tasty. I wonder if they will choose to keep the camera lenses a bit apart (kinda like the HTC Evo 3D) or implement a software-side solution to generate depth.

If only I could afford a Vision Pro. Fingers crossed for a lower-tiered Apple headset.
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I mean it’s identical to the 14PM with a BIGGER camera bump.
And a button on the side. More of the same.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
In the Vpro presentation and now in this rumor, BOTH seem to strongly reflect this concept of seeing 3D in a 3DTV-like space/frame out ahead of the Vpro wearer. However, the Vpro owner is going to be accustomed to being able to move their head left & right, up & down and have content or imagery everywhere. That's not 3D as we are all accustomed to it. That's better conceptualized by the word immersive... like you are actually there... not just observing from a single spot and looking in only 1 direction.

To get this metaphorically right now, take a look as far left as you can look from where you are. That view is probably hard left and a bit behind you. Your far left peripheral view is probably fully behind you. Imagine capturing that with this hypothetical camera. Now rotate your head all the way around to the opposite view: hard right. There's no way that camera on one side of a phone is going to also capture that view too. It would require cameras on BOTH sides of the phone to capture both of these views. Now look extreme up as high up and behind as you can arch your neck. How does this camera capture that view. Now down as far as you can look, which- over either hip is likely not just straight down, but down and somewhat behind you too.

Other implementations of immersion seems to use a number of cameras in a ball enclosure, so it can capture the details not just out in front but all around the person shooting the scene. Like this...


Then, later, in Vpro-like goggles, one gets the 3D effect not just out front but all around them: look anywhere and there is something to be seen as it was the day the view was captured. Unless this hypothetical iPhone Ultra has cameras all around, cameras mounted only "on back" as is customary now, could only capture up towards 180˚ out front. Look too far left or right or too far up or down and you reach the end of what could be captured but such cameras.

As a crude example of "immersive" video like this, open this video illustrating the concept...


As the video runs, click on it and drag left, right, up, down or even rotate it all the way around to see what is BEHIND you. As I grasp Vpro, I would think it would be like this. But instead of click and drag, the Vpro wearer just looks in any direction and something is there (sky, track ahead, view to the left, view to the right, view behind- exactly as one could if they were there riding that roller coaster in person).

THIS concept seems very focused on perhaps an ultimate incarnation of 3D TV. But it also seems to strongly imply that the entire view will be what is out in front of the cameras- whether shot on Vpro or with this hypothetical iPhone Ultra. Obviously, either used as camera is NOT shooting imagery to the extreme sides, behind or overhead/down below. When watching these videos, the Vpro wearer will have to watch like watching a television as there wouldn't seem to be much flexility to look very far off center and still see the "there" that was shot that day when the video was captured.

The Vpro (regular) user is going to be accustomed to various apps and even the UI being spread all around the user- not just out front. If this is as it appears, I suspect this will seem odd once people are accustomed to the "all around" experience of Vpro. It seems they will be accustomed to looking around for "more" and this feature doesn't seem to support that.

All that shared, I still think high-resolution 3D done extremely well will be amazing vs. 2D video most of us shoot now. I'm simply pointing out how this particular benefit may seem a bit odd vs. the rest of what Vpro can do... especially as Vpro users get accustomed to immersion in many other features & benefits.

If this plays out as described, I presume the amateur stuff will have limited field of view "immersion" (do NOT look too far away from roughly front & center) while the pro stuff will use dedicated VR cameras for full immersion with video in all directions (look anywhere exactly as if you are there). I'm not seeing a way to realize this pro concept with any iPhone that doesn't have cameras for it on BOTH sides, nor even with Vpro unless it includes cameras around back. Just think of iPhone camera vs. that 360 camera example above, noting how the latter has cameras pointing left, left-front, right-front, right and presumably, back-right and back-left... all curved/bubbled to also capture views above and below.
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OK so soon down the road is (as yet unannounced and unleaked) is the iOgle technology with nano-actuator mode pistons that will move your two wide angle lenses in at least a 360° sweep capturing MUCH (hemisphere) of what you would see moving your head and eyes as you say. That would require 3? actuators. You heard it here.
 
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Allen_Wentz said:
iPhone sales numbers clearly prove the comment "Apple off in left field" flat wrong.
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Samsung over took Apple earlier this year.
Apples iPhone sales have fallen every year for three years now. People are holding on to their devices longer.
 
iabacus said:
Instant buy for me if it’s true. I don’t plan on having a vision pro for a decade, but would love to capture these moments with my kids while they are young
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Now that’s the first wholesome thing I’ve heard the vision pro being used for.
No doubt it’s going to take “ other “ industries into uncharted territory.
 
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Not sure if the name concurrences or just BS. As long as the iPhone and Vision Pro pair. Careless about the name is how they work.
 
spcopsmac21 said:
And maybe 5% of people buying this phone will purchase the new headset.

Android phones are literally evolving before our eyes and Apple off in left field staring at its own face in the mirror with this insane headset on….
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Agree. I get wanting the "lock in" and "ecosystem" but they are literally hedging their bets on a (at minimum) $1500 (and who knows if even get that low) niche product. I feel like this is going to go the same way of the old 3D phones back in the day.
 
So, Two periscope lens cameras...
The algorithm for the compression for their video, is hardcoded onto the chip.
That would be a design block coming from the M platform back to the A platform.
I'm sure they already depreciated all the design for that, so it should be pretty easy to add,
and the chip just shrank.
That is the Mac paying for itself.
 
spcopsmac21 said:
Android phones are literally evolving before our eyes and Apple off in left field staring at its own face in the mirror with this insane headset on….
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How are Android phones “evolving” before our eyes?
Might be that Samsung sells more units than Apple, but for the longest time Apple is the leader in profits for smartphones…
 
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Sevendaymelee said:
Miss the days when Jobs was running the show and there was only one new iPhone model a year to rule them all.
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Tbf in his last year w/us Apple introduced the “4S” regardless I’m sure the company would be in better standing morally, had he still been here 😭 🙏 🪦 Apple was revolutionary then. Now everything seems like a money grab with minimal improvements
 
Could, maybe, possibly, might do, there's a chance that........................Pfft! All very boring and predictable now. Small incremental improvements year-on-year. Nothing mind blowing anymore. All designed to draw in the faithful to part with their hard earned cash on an annual basis.
 
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