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Future iPhones, Apple Watches May Use New Power-Saving Backplane Technology to Extend Battery Life

HobeSoundDarryl said:
I meant size of battery doesn't automatically drive likelihood of battery exploding. If Apple inserted a bigger battery in anything, it doesn't automatically make that thing more likely to explode. That thing will just have a bigger battery and hopefully longer battery life compared to the very same thing with a smaller battery.
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you were comparing apples to oranges tho... 5-10x greater energy density and a completely different chemical structure.

stupid example: you have two bicycles, one metal, one carbon. Both are bikes, but one will never rust. You cannot make the logical conclusion that the metal one wont rust because the carbon one didn't. It's irrelevant.

DaveN said:
Isn't it amazing how fast technology has improved in the last 30 years?
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technology did improve, but no new technology came into use.
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
But you take no comparable offense and/or see no issue with someone posting that if Apple had chosen to put a bigger battery in the hypothetical iPhone 6 that started this sidebar, that would automatically mean it would be more likely to explode... that bigger battery = bomb?
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No, while your post at least makes some sense, that post is just ...not smart... and i didnt even bother to reply to it.

of course it wouldnt mean it would explode because of a bigger battery.

For the sake of it i'll reply to that too.
BvizioN said:
Some others have tried on the past . And they have exploded. Following year the have decreased the size. A year later they have regained their confidence.
Apple plays safe!
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No, they tried to *cram* a bigger battery inside an enclosure that couldn't handle it. Nobody ever implied apple should try to squeeze a bigger battery in an identical space, it was implied that

a) battery/device thickness should either remain the same for better battery life with new power saving features
b) device could be enlarged enough so there would be no protruding camera resulting in a bigger battery in a thicker enclosure.

For what is worth, iPhone X is just SLIGHTLY larger than iphone 8, but has 50% more battery capacity. So far i haven't seen it explode.

In either case, I'm not really afraid of apple producing exploding phones.
 
Sounds like Johnny Ive will be able to make the iPhone thinner and keep the same battery life.

Sounds like a win win.
 
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Is IHS saying that Apple may start manufacturing something. This seems unlikely. They will keep using the technology Samsung and LG develop.
 
Well, certainly iPhone's and iPad's stand to require significant improvements in battery life, but dismayed that these fixes are always "just around the corner" and each new generation of product doesn't seem to focus on the problem.

I would be much more happy in the short term if Apple could just support a proper 20-30 minute quick full charge cycle instead of the 2+ hours it takes to charge their phones and iPad's today, then I wouldn't mind seeing the battery life warning so much if I new I could get to at least 50% after just a coffee break.
 
BvizioN said:
Some others have tried on the past . And they have exploded. Following year the have decreased the size. A year later they have regained their confidence.
Apple plays safe!
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Adding bigger batteries does not result in explosions, that's just poor engineering or using faulty parts.

If that were true, our laptops and tablets would be a fiery mess.

I'd rather them focus on making the phone thinner and lighter than having an extra 10% battery life. The iPhone briX was a large step back in ergonomics for me. After switching back to the iPhone 6 design on the iPhone 8, I much preferred the experience.

At this point, I'm hoping someone figures out a way to address color shifting on OLED panels. LCDs do a much better job at this than the OLEDs on the market. Figure out the color shifting, and I'll be much happier with the technology.
 
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ChrisCW11 said:
Well, certainly iPhone's and iPad's stand to require significant improvements in battery life, but dismayed that these fixes are always "just around the corner" and each new generation of product doesn't seem to focus on the problem.

I would be much more happy in the short term if Apple could just support a proper 20-30 minute quick full charge cycle instead of the 2+ hours it takes to charge their phones and iPad's today, then I wouldn't mind seeing the battery life warning so much if I new I could get to at least 50% after just a coffee break.
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Heat is the enemy of li batteries. Quick charging results in heat, which is probably why apple doesn't want to include it. With apple, it's not about them being able to accomplish something, everything they do is planned (secretly).
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
Don't be fooled. They very likely know that to be true. We'll just make up spin to try to help rationalize corporate decisions... like the key to waterproofing a phone is getting rid of a headphone jack hole (spun almost every time) while ignoring the larger rectangular hole just millimeters away and the rows of smaller round (speaker) holes also nearby... as if water is prejudiced to only sneak in though a headphone jack hole.

I have a car battery in my car that is thicker than all of my mobile devices batteries from all the time there's been mobile devices COMBINED. It never explodes.

There are people with solar panel battery arrays made up of upwards of dozens of car battery-sized batteries or bigger batteries. They pretty much never explode either.

It's likely that Apple themselves USED to use bigger batteries in prior generations of these very devices. They pretty much never exploded.

They thinned the battery because "thinner" batteries support "thinner" marketing spin... and less battery costs less per unit. Now they've "thinner"ed so much that the camera module sticks out (because the laws of physics can't be thinned). We are to like it because that is what a corporation has chosen to make. Some of us will write down anything to rationalize it because that corporation is always right.
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Apple (and others) have patented water resistant speakers years ago so those holes do not allow water to penetrate. Headphone jacks are a standard that goes back 75 years so there is never a waterproofing provision unless you alter the jack design. Then you risk excluding some analog jacks. More reason why it was smart for them to drop that old standard.

And why are you comparing your car's lead acid battery to a Li-Ion battery? Unless you're car is hybrid or electric, your battery won't explode because it's entirely different chemistry.
 
My car IS a hybrid, using a bigger battery than in an iPhone. I have zero concept that I'm driving around inside of a mobile bomb.

But the point was that bigger battery size does not automatically equal bomb. No need to get lost in the details. If it helps: MBp has more battery than the iPhones but MBp's are not blowing up all around the world.

The original guy basically argued for smaller batteries because bigger batteries would explode. I countered that size of battery does not automatically = explosion. Apple could certainly put a larger battery into iPhone- as is strongly rumored with the next generation of iPhones- and that won't automatically make bigger-battery iPhones into bombs. Else, if that rumor proves to be true, no-one should buy a new iPhone- I mean Apple bomb- this Fall.
 
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_Refurbished_ said:
Adding bigger batteries does not result in explosions, that's just poor engineering or using faulty parts.

If that were true, our laptops and tablets would be a fiery mess..
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Yeah, nah...not so fast.
Is adding large battery on a small hardware that represent engeeniering challenge. I did not say it is impossible or that it haven’t been done, just said Apple tend to play safe and take its time on this. And so they should.
 
BvizioN said:
Yeah, nah...not so fast.
Is adding large battery on a small hardware that represent engeeniering challenge. I did not say it is impossible or that it haven’t been done, just said Apple tend to play safe and take its time on this. And so they should.
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And I’m saying if Apple added a bigger battery to their design, it wouldn’t result in a device that’s more dangerous. You directly implied this in your post. It’s incorrect.

There are a multitude of reasons why they don’t increase battery size, most of which I disagree with, but safety is not one of them.
 
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ChrisCW11 said:
Well, certainly iPhone's and iPad's stand to require significant improvements in battery life, but dismayed that these fixes are always "just around the corner" and each new generation of product doesn't seem to focus on the problem.

I would be much more happy in the short term if Apple could just support a proper 20-30 minute quick full charge cycle instead of the 2+ hours it takes to charge their phones and iPad's today, then I wouldn't mind seeing the battery life warning so much if I new I could get to at least 50% after just a coffee break.
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Fast charging destroys your battery. You’ll just end up having to charge more frequently because it won’t hold as much of a charge.
 
DaveN said:
Isn't it amazing how fast technology has improved in the last 30 years?
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Yep... and its only getting better

Apple has to do something, because they keep adding new stuff to iPhones all the time, and we want the same battery life.
 
All these people complaining about apple constantly making things thinner for purely marketing reasons and not one bothers to research actual iPhone sizes and battery sizes.

iPhone 4/4s - 9.3mm and 1,420mAh
iPhone 5/5s - 7.6mm and 1,570mAh
iPhone 6 - 6.9mm and 1810 mAh
iPhone 6s - 7.1mm and 1715 mAh
iPhone 7 - 7.2mm and 1960mAh
iPhone 8 - 7.3mm and 1821 mAh
iPhone X - 7.7mm and 2716 mAh

According to these stats it seems Apples iPhones have been getting thicker since the 6 and the batteries have oscillated in size.

Obviously apple have found an optimum size for their phones (7 - 8mm) and are now trying to pack whatever they can into that space. This decision by apple shows that most people are happy with the thickness of the iPhones and the battery life. Apple are now trying to fit in more features within these parameters.

To everyone who touted this ‘thinness for marketing’ rubbish…. Do your research before typing, this took me all but under 5 mins to find out. The complaining for complaining sake is getting old and is the reason why I don’t visit this site (or any other tech site) much anymore.

Engineering is hard, typing on the internet is easy, do some research and you’ll be a lot happier because you’ve filled your heads with facts instead of anger.
 
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funny, iphone 5 is thinner than iphone x, i didnt even know that.

and iphone 4 does feel like a brick.
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
My car IS a hybrid, using a bigger battery than in an iPhone. I have zero concept that I'm driving around inside of a mobile bomb.

But the point was that bigger battery size does not automatically equal bomb. No need to get lost in the details. If it helps: MBp has more battery than the iPhones but MBp's are not blowing up all around the world.

The original guy basically argued for smaller batteries because bigger batteries would explode. I countered that size of battery does not automatically = explosion. Apple could certainly put a larger battery into iPhone- as is strongly rumored with the next generation of iPhones- and that won't automatically make bigger-battery iPhones into bombs. Else, if that rumor proves to be true, no-one should buy a new iPhone- I mean Apple bomb- this Fall.
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There are plenty of laptops that "blow up" all over the world. You just don't hear about them because there is about 1 laptop for every 1000 iPhones. In fact, it's the reason we cannot check laptops in with our baggage anymore on most flights.
 
This gives Apple the excuse to make the new iphone thinner with a smaller battery.
 
Seems that LPTO tech found its way in Apple Watch Series 4. At least the compare sheet on the German Apple website states that the Series 4 offers "LTPO OLED Retina Display mit Force Touch". :)
 
Mammut said:
Seems that LPTO tech found its way in Apple Watch Series 4. At least the compare sheet on the German Apple website states that the Series 4 offers "LTPO OLED Retina Display mit Force Touch". :)
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Nice, the US website states the same.

I suppose it will be coming to iPhone in a future model as well.
 
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