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G4 MDD 867 dual -- mega upgrade (help!)

Any1 knows how the sonnet dual 1.8 compares to the 1.42 or a 1.25 overclocked in terms of heat? Can you put the copper heatsink on the sonnet upgrade?
 
All right, I found another dual 1.42 ghz cpu, I hope I receive it soon. The mega upgrade project continues!
 
All right, just asking, what fans should I put in to make it the coolest possible, without using PCI exhaust fan and without modding the external case?

I don't care much about noise, as long as it isn't really worse than what I get from my current setup (stock fans, version B power supply).
 
Nova77 said:
All right, just asking, what fans should I put in to make it the coolest possible, without using PCI exhaust fan and without modding the external case?
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How it's possible to add fans in MDD without case surgery

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reddrag0n said:
Could be the fact that i swapped out all the fans for better and more quiet fans.

Here are the CFM and decibel ratings.
PSU - Minebea 2410ML-04W-B60 5300 RPM 25CFM @ 38dBA
New - Startech FAN6X25TX3H 5000 RPM 26.5 CFM @ 30 dBA

Door - Delta AFB0612HHB 4500 RPM 17.3 CFM @ 35dBA
New - Startech FAN6X1TX3 4000 RPM 15.9 CFM @ 28 dBA

CPU - Papst 4212H 3400 RPM 108CFM @ 49dBA
New - Scythe Slip Stream SY1225SL12SH 1900 RPM 110.31 CFM @ 37 dBA

Also, in order to get the fans to run in the MDD, i had to reverse the black and red wires on the fan connectors or they would't work.
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This is for my fan...

The MDD case fan (the one that sits after the first set of hard drives) that blows onto the cpu is only a 108 CFM fan.

Here are the specs for the fan...

Papst 4212H 120 x 120 x 38 mm
12 V, ? Amp
108 CFM, 3400 RPM (max), 49 dBA
Thermally regulated PWM

So the 110 CFM fan i used is also only 2000 RPM, and it's not as loud and not as fast either. Hence why it's quieter.
 
Nova77 said:
Any1 knows how the sonnet dual 1.8 compares to the 1.42 or a 1.25 overclocked in terms of heat? Can you put the copper heatsink on the sonnet upgrade?
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The Sonnet would run cooler since it uses a Freescale 7447A chips vs the 7450 and 7455 chips.
The 1.42 and the OC'ed 1.25 would beat the 1.8 sonnet due the the fact that they have L3 cache.
The 1.8 only had 512 KB of L2 while the 1.42 and the 1.25 have 1 MB.

And no, the sonnet processor uses a custom heatsink to sit on their cpu.
Images can be seen here of the cpu in use.
 
666sheep said:
^^^Fan efficiency was model dependent. 867 DP, 1.25 single and 1.0 DP had PAPST or Delta 1212H (IIRC). 1.25 DP and 1.42 Duals were equipped with more efficent Delta 1212SHE (190 CFM). See link below:

http://www.delta.com.tw/product/cp/dcfans/download/pdf/AFB/AFB120x120x38mm.pdf

So reddrag0n's replacement was fine for his CPU.
CFM value is always listed for max rpm.
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If I get my dual 1.42 to work (still waiting for it... Canada Post is in lockout... damn it...) what fan will I need for proper cooling? What's the most powerful CPU fan that doesn't sound like a truck? Also, where to plug extra case fans (connectors...)?
 
It works!!!

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Finally got the other CPU and IT WORKS!!!
Now I have a fully functionnal dual boot 1.42 ghz G4 MDD.

Phase 1 completed....
Next step: SATA card & hard drives
 
What SATA drives should I get? WD caviar black looks cool, but is it OS 9 bootable? Actually... can you install any OS on any hard drive (as long as my PCI SATA card is compatible)?

Thanks!!
 
Nova77 said:
What SATA drives should I get? WD caviar black looks cool, but is it OS 9 bootable? Actually... can you install any OS on any hard drive (as long as my PCI SATA card is compatible)?

Thanks!!
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From what i can tell, the Sonnet Tempo is OS 9 bootable, and is bootable with any SATA drive attached. So i don't see an issue with it being right for you. As for hard drives, any SATA drive will do, but from personal experience, stay away from Seagate. Many firmware issues with those drives. Hitachi, Samsung, WD should be good drives. As for the WD color specs, blacks are regular desktop drives, blues are more for external cases and quiet and cool running, greens are for the ultimate in cool hard drives and not really good for desktop boot drives.
 
Also these cards are Mac bootable too with OS X and OS 9.
FirmTek SeriTek 1VE2+2
FirmTek SeriTek 1V4
FirmTek SeriTek 1S2
Completely self-contained booting functionality, no driver installation necessary
48-bit LBA support for drive sizes larger than 137GB
Perfect for upgrading and expanding legacy and G5 Macintosh computers
PCI-X 1.0a compliant 64-bit at 133/100/ 66MHz bus speeds
Backward compatible with standard 32/64-bit PCI at 33MHz and 66MHz bus speeds
Supports Mac OS 9, and OS X version 10.1.5 or later
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At the same time the Sonnet's Tempo Serial ATA card is based on the same design and chipset as the Seritek 1S2

These cards will also work in the G3 B&W up to the PCI/PCI-X G5's
 
Nova77 said:
What I want to put in....
- Dual 1.42 processor + copper heatsink (which I got!)
- 2 GB RAM
- Put in good DVD drive
- Add SATA card (or fast SCSI? ...)
- Put in some fast hard drives, and maybe even a small SATA SSD for system boot
- Install Geforce4 Ti 4600 128 mb AGP video card (last one for OS 9, unless you got a better idea)
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I had this exact stock machine with a 2 port sata card and a Asus 138G v11 pci wireless card. The 500GB PATA 7200 WD was very fast at booting.

Sorry to be a party pooper but in my opinion it was redundant with what is on offer today second hand. I sold it with a 23" ACD, ACD to DVI converter and a 17" ACD for $200. I replaced it with a 2006 Mac Pro with 2 x 2GHz that i bought for $700. It is much quieter and cooler, yet far faster than the powermac.
 
quasinormal said:
I had this exact stock machine with a 2 port sata card and a Asus 138G v11 pci wireless card. The 500GB PATA 7200 WD was very fast at booting.

Sorry to be a party pooper but in my opinion it was redundant with what is on offer today second hand. I sold it with a 23" ACD, ACD to DVI converter and a 17" ACD for $200. I replaced it with a 2006 Mac Pro with 2 x 2GHz that i bought for $700. It is much quieter and cooler, yet far faster than the powermac.
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We are talking about SATA not PATA... And by the way, Mac Pros are 1. more expensive 2. ugly looking 3. can't run classic apps (which ****s up the purpose of the best last dual bootable machine and 4. cool enough to make me want to buy one in the future and put it in a B&W G3 case cause I hate their looks lolll!

Back with the topic... Was considering WD caviar black. Any experience with these? I want high performance harddrive.
 
Whats the fastest SATA drive possible while using SATA 1 interface??? I see many SATA 3 HDDs that can't go down to SATA 1 at all, and those that work will probably slow down their speed....

I'm looking for an hard drive that would pretty much max the 150 MB/sec, or well at least get a lil more than 100 MB/sec.

Thanks
 
....Or should I buy a non-bootable SATA 2 card and put the fastest drives there and ONLY the system on another drive??? How much speed increase do you get from putting OS X on a fast hard drive?

One idea would be to put boot drive on SATA 1 and all apps and stuff on SATA 2. What do you think about it??

Also, one crazy idea would be to put boot drive on a small SATA SSD to max out the 150 MB/sec, and then put all other stuff on new velociraptor SATA 3 (can do SATA 2) drives for more safety.

I'm confused, need help, so feel free to comment and give some advice.
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By the way, got an 7800 GS OC on the way to put in my MDD ;)
 
Sata III will run Sata I speeds via jumper settings. (at least the WD drives)
As for non bootable cards, i wouldn't recommend it, for it might not be seen in the mac to begin with. The Sonnet card is relatively inexpensive and even though it's 2 ports, it will do the job. That's what i had in my MDD and yes, i now have it in my G5 for when i get a Sata DVD drive.
As for the SSD idea, unless you want to pay out of the 4$$ for one on those, i would just go the 7200 RPM WD Black route.
 
reddrag0n said:
Sata III will run Sata I speeds via jumper settings. (at least the WD drives)
As for non bootable cards, i wouldn't recommend it, for it might not be seen in the mac to begin with. The Sonnet card is relatively inexpensive and even though it's 2 ports, it will do the job. That's what i had in my MDD and yes, i now have it in my G5 for when i get a Sata DVD drive.
As for the SSD idea, unless you want to pay out of the 4$$ for one on those, i would just go the 7200 RPM WD Black route.
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How changing jumper setting will affect data transfer? Also, there are reports of some SATA 3 WD drives that won't work at SATA 1 speed, so how do I know if it works?
 
By applying the jumpers to certain pins, it tells the micro controller to reduce it's speeds so it can be compatible with slower SATA controllers.
 
reddrag0n said:
By applying the jumpers to certain pins, it tells the micro controller to reduce it's speeds so it can be compatible with slower SATA controllers.
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I know that. However, some Sata 3 drives still don't allow you to put it to SATA 1 settings, only sata 2 using jumpers.

Anyways, the question is, whats the best option for a speedy hdd on my G4? ...

An older Sata 1 drive that was fast as heck for that interface, or a newer Sata 2 or 3 that will be slower when set to sata 1 speeds?
 
7800 GS in, CorePlayer benchmark with 720p HD video test file and 27 inch screen = 250% wow!!

150% with previous card, an ATI 9000 pro.

(CorePlayer in benchmark mode plays the video as fast as possible without lag, gives an average speed)


Thats really NICE!! ...even better when you know my harddrives are still really sucky...
 
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