Okay guys, I was surfing around and found this. Take it for what it's worth. We all know that the G5 is coming. It's just when.
www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/21692.html
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G5, for real?
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Re: G5, for real?
Hmm, here's a thought... remember the steve jobs quote about having "options" when more users are switched over to OSX at the end of the year. Initially this was interpreted as an indication of using x86 processor (intel/amd). What if instead, it was referring to the G5. The G5 is a 64bit processor, and perhaps sufficiently different from the G4 that they are having trouble getting os9 and classic apps working on the G5, so they have to delay rolling the G5 until enough users, and enough key apps are ported to osx. So maybe what we are waiting for is more a software thing than a hardware thing.
Anyways, just speculation.
-- Rob
Hmm, here's a thought... remember the steve jobs quote about having "options" when more users are switched over to OSX at the end of the year. Initially this was interpreted as an indication of using x86 processor (intel/amd). What if instead, it was referring to the G5. The G5 is a 64bit processor, and perhaps sufficiently different from the G4 that they are having trouble getting os9 and classic apps working on the G5, so they have to delay rolling the G5 until enough users, and enough key apps are ported to osx. So maybe what we are waiting for is more a software thing than a hardware thing.
Anyways, just speculation.
-- Rob
Unfortunately that article has been around since last September, its caused more then enough speculation - its says that the processors are ready for mass production - why haven't we seen it yet? I think its more than an issue of compatibility with os9.
yeah, I saw the date on the article. I also saw the mention of osx v10.2 at same time.
I wasn't thinking so much about compatibility with os9 itself, but compatibility with classic apps from 3rd parties. Migrating to 64bit address space could be a bitch if your code wasn't well written... cast that pointer to a 32bit int and back, and whoops, now things don't work. What if the g5 never supports os9... if apple mis-calculated how quickly users and 3rd party sw vendors would migrate to osx, maybe the ended up in a situation where hw is ready or close to being ready, but a lot of the important software won't run on it.
Anyways, just a wild ass guess. I'll have to read up on some of the other hardware vendors who've already made the 32->64b jump (sun, sgi) and see how it went for them
considering that we're still waiting to see Quark made ready for OSX, you have a point. Throwing a new processor in the mix that requires a rewrite of code would be a dissaster. It makes sense, but its frustrating all the same that we have to wait....
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ha, saying its only a matter of time before we'll see the G5 is like saying its only a matter of time until they find a cure for cancer. Its theoretically possible that it will happen, but there is no guarantee when it will happen.
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>Throwing a new processor in the mix that requires a rewrite of code would be a dissaster
My CAD software (engsw.com) had to completely rewrite their initial build for OSX due to it being modified so greatly from 10 to 10.1
I see 10.1 as the Beta, and 10.2 as the REAL deal (final build) there's the baby...
I will astound you with pointless posts later
My CAD software (engsw.com) had to completely rewrite their initial build for OSX due to it being modified so greatly from 10 to 10.1
I see 10.1 as the Beta, and 10.2 as the REAL deal (final build) there's the baby...
I will astound you with pointless posts later
Possibly not...I'm not sure how far along the construction of the plant is, but my guess is that the G5's will be previewed at MWSF and be realeased a month or two later because the plant won't be ready for full scale production of the G5 at the time of MWSF. That's just my guess...
-MacMaster
Again it's a RapidIO vs Hypertransport thing - Apple's working with both standards groups.
AMD has sources for hypertransport chipsets and have been sampling since June, they're expecting machines to begin shipping in Q4. Since it's and evolution of the existing bus, it'll most likely be widely adopted - hence cheap.
RapidIO group is just finishing the unified (serial/parallel) specs for the new bus standard - sampling expected in Q1 of next year (meaning machines most likely next summer, Cisco will jump on it ASAP). The RapidIO standard looks a lot like a packet-switched network, which means it'll probably be widely accepted in the data and telecom market first.
And remember Apple typically lags the market in the adoption of major level PC bus & IO adoption.
But then again Apple shipped USB/Firewire far ahead of the rest of the market.
AMD has sources for hypertransport chipsets and have been sampling since June, they're expecting machines to begin shipping in Q4. Since it's and evolution of the existing bus, it'll most likely be widely adopted - hence cheap.
RapidIO group is just finishing the unified (serial/parallel) specs for the new bus standard - sampling expected in Q1 of next year (meaning machines most likely next summer, Cisco will jump on it ASAP). The RapidIO standard looks a lot like a packet-switched network, which means it'll probably be widely accepted in the data and telecom market first.
And remember Apple typically lags the market in the adoption of major level PC bus & IO adoption.
But then again Apple shipped USB/Firewire far ahead of the rest of the market.
Ugh, that article was indeed from September 17, 2001. And it's from the Register, which is a site of crap, worse than spymac, if you ask me.
It seems like every time someone brings up the issue of G5s, we expect something to come out soon. Unless I see an article that says somewhere in it: "Apple has [officially] confirmed that...G5s...will be available...in [some time]" then there will be no G5 chips. I'm starting to wonder if we will see another round of G4 PowerMacs after the upcoming update (suppose it was August), possibly using the 7500 chips Motorola has planned. (Right, planned...)
I'm just ticked that Motorola has kept Apple so behind like this. I mean, the OS is great and all, but it seems as if the MHz war is not winning people over. I propose the Gigaflops war. Can a $3000 or cheaper peecee perform 15 billion float-point operations in a second? I didn't think so.
It seems like every time someone brings up the issue of G5s, we expect something to come out soon. Unless I see an article that says somewhere in it: "Apple has [officially] confirmed that...G5s...will be available...in [some time]" then there will be no G5 chips. I'm starting to wonder if we will see another round of G4 PowerMacs after the upcoming update (suppose it was August), possibly using the 7500 chips Motorola has planned. (Right, planned...)
I'm just ticked that Motorola has kept Apple so behind like this. I mean, the OS is great and all, but it seems as if the MHz war is not winning people over. I propose the Gigaflops war. Can a $3000 or cheaper peecee perform 15 billion float-point operations in a second? I didn't think so.
Let's stir things up....
I think I'll stir things up here a little. Besides, this is a rumor site. I think Appleand Mortola have delayed on the release of the G5 because there will never be a G5! They're going to go straight to the G6! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!
I know, I know. It's just wishful thinking and a bunch of malarchy. Just thought I'd go out on a limb.
I think I'll stir things up here a little. Besides, this is a rumor site.
I think Appleand Mortola have delayed on the release of the G5 because there will never be a G5! They're going to go straight to the G6! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! I know, I know. It's just wishful thinking and a bunch of malarchy. Just thought I'd go out on a limb.
Re: Let's stir things up....
I'm not trying to start a flame war here so don't jump on me.Your limb just broke.
-MacMaster
Ok let me see...um...no! That was one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen! Gatorman I know you're a newbie here and so am I, but you shouldn't post dumb things like that. Maybe there will never be anything named G5, but they will not just jump a number.Originally posted by Gatorman
I think I'll stir things up here a little. Besides, this is a rumor site.
I know, I know. It's just wishful thinking and a bunch of malarchy. Just thought I'd go out on a limb.
I'm not trying to start a flame war here so don't jump on me.Your limb just broke.-MacMaster
>but they will not just jump a number
I was just thinking that maybe they will not actually call the release after the G5 the G6,
maybe they will realize they have already maxed out the G5 processor (8000 series) and will immediatly stop jerking us around and give us something better...
however, I bet I'm the first one to order the new dual 1.6ghz when released
or maybe they'll just go broke, I'd like to hear of what you think that would do to us
I was just thinking that maybe they will not actually call the release after the G5 the G6,
maybe they will realize they have already maxed out the G5 processor (8000 series) and will immediatly stop jerking us around and give us something better...
however, I bet I'm the first one to order the new dual 1.6ghz when released
or maybe they'll just go broke, I'd like to hear of what you think that would do to us
G=generation
Remember all, G=generation. So far there have been 4 generations of processors.
1. 680XX (whatever that series was)
2. 601, 603, 604(I'm not sure if there was a 602)
3. the 750 chip commonly known as the G3
4. The 74XX chip commonly known as the G4
If apple went broke I might as well just die...My life would end...I would be tossed into the endless void of PC land...under the rule of the evil empire microsoft...ok I'm done now
-MacMaster
Remember all, G=generation. So far there have been 4 generations of processors.
1. 680XX (whatever that series was)
2. 601, 603, 604(I'm not sure if there was a 602)
3. the 750 chip commonly known as the G3
4. The 74XX chip commonly known as the G4
If apple went broke I might as well just die...My life would end...I would be tossed into the endless void of PC land...under the rule of the evil empire microsoft...ok I'm done now
-MacMaster