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G5, for real?
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Re: Re: Let's stir things up....
Hey, lighten up! Don't you know what sarcasm is? If you actually thought I was being realistic with that post, then you really need to get off your computer and go outside for a little while! Besides, all of this discussion about the G5 is getting old, anyway.
Originally posted by MacMaster
Ok let me see...um...no! That was one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen! Gatorman I know you're a newbie here and so am I, but you shouldn't post dumb things like that. Maybe there will never be anything named G5, but they will not just jump a number.I'm not trying to start a flame war here so don't jump on me.
-MacMaster
Hey, lighten up! Don't you know what sarcasm is? If you actually thought I was being realistic with that post, then you really need to get off your computer and go outside for a little while! Besides, all of this discussion about the G5 is getting old, anyway.
old old old news
A lot of pointless posts on a pointless topic. (Hey I can say that now that I'm a Macrumors "regular.")
If you do a search in the Register, they've posted about 5 articles last year all saying the same thing: "Oooh, the G5 is ALMOST ready; you'll see'em in Powermacs in no time; Apple's doing tests on 'em as we speak; and they kick major x86 as$!"
They're much to blame for the crazy buildup to the last MWSF. I used to think that they were more reasonable than the others but they're no better than Spymac or MOSR. Don't believe a thing they say.
Also, even if G5's were "ready" and being tested, I don't think anyone has any idea when Moto will be able to produce them at sufficient enough quantities to ship in Powermacs. That's always been the biggest hang-up about the PowerPC. Not that the technology isn't great or that the development isn't coming along but that Moto can't get the manufacturing right. Old news.
A lot of pointless posts on a pointless topic. (Hey I can say that now that I'm a Macrumors "regular.")
If you do a search in the Register, they've posted about 5 articles last year all saying the same thing: "Oooh, the G5 is ALMOST ready; you'll see'em in Powermacs in no time; Apple's doing tests on 'em as we speak; and they kick major x86 as$!"
They're much to blame for the crazy buildup to the last MWSF. I used to think that they were more reasonable than the others but they're no better than Spymac or MOSR. Don't believe a thing they say.
Also, even if G5's were "ready" and being tested, I don't think anyone has any idea when Moto will be able to produce them at sufficient enough quantities to ship in Powermacs. That's always been the biggest hang-up about the PowerPC. Not that the technology isn't great or that the development isn't coming along but that Moto can't get the manufacturing right. Old news.
Just a question I thought I'd throw out. How long does it take for a semiconductor manufacturer to produce a processor in volume? Are there any semiconductor engineers out there that can answer me that?
Re: G=generation
Actually it's:
G1: 601
G2: 603 and 604
G3: 750[xx] (where xx can be FX)
G4: 7400, 7410, 7445, 7455
Originally posted by MacMaster
Remember all, G=generation. So far there have been 4 generations of processors.
1. 680XX (whatever that series was)
2. 601, 603, 604(I'm not sure if there was a 602)
3. the 750 chip commonly known as the G3
4. The 74XX chip commonly known as the G4
If apple wen't broke I might as well just die...My life would end...I would be tossed into the endless void of PC land...under the rule of the evil empire microsoft...ok I'm done now
-MacMaster
Actually it's:
G1: 601
G2: 603 and 604
G3: 750[xx] (where xx can be FX)
G4: 7400, 7410, 7445, 7455
Well I was happy after reading that article, but now after reading all the posts im sad again . It looks like we have a wait to see the g5, but it does sound like the g4 is gunna get a major tune up with the 7460. I really hope we arent going to lose the battle (speedwise) with PCs, the mac platform needs speed. Motorola needs to get off their arses and start to get some faster processors. god the semiconductor business must be stressful with constant demands on higher speed.
. It looks like we have a wait to see the g5, but it does sound like the g4 is gunna get a major tune up with the 7460. I really hope we arent going to lose the battle (speedwise) with PCs, the mac platform needs speed. Motorola needs to get off their arses and start to get some faster processors. god the semiconductor business must be stressful with constant demands on higher speed.
You're right. The G5 will not support (booting into) OS 9. It HAS TO support Classic though, but this will be an "emergency only" emulation environment which will add a lot of VPC-ish behaviour to Classic.
Of course,
then, OS X will no longer feel sluggish compared to Classic. As we say back home, one's owl might be another's nightingale.But maybe the G5 is already ready since March and is right now in producten to have big quanties to ship it in new power macs ?
We now nothing about the status of the G5 so we cant say if he is ready or is in devolpment.
I for myself think he is ready, the G4 dont gets really new impovements, he is just the old G4.
So, what is moto doing since 3 years ?
There is a G5 we only dont now the status of him.
We now nothing about the status of the G5 so we cant say if he is ready or is in devolpment.
I for myself think he is ready, the G4 dont gets really new impovements, he is just the old G4.
So, what is moto doing since 3 years ?
There is a G5 we only dont now the status of him.
Originally posted by pianojoe
You're right. The G5 will not support (booting into) OS 9. It HAS TO support Classic though, but this will be an "emergency only" emulation environment which will add a lot of VPC-ish behaviour to Classic.
Of course,
You are confused. The G5's processor will be backward-compatible with the G4. Whether or not the computer boots into MacOS 9 depends on the Classic environment installed on it. There are rumblings that Apple will more tightly integrate Classic into MacOS X so as render booting into MacOS 9 unnecessary. However, it is unlikely that the your new G5 will not be bootable from a MacOS 9 partition. MacOS 9 should be bootable on any Open Firmware computer.
dunno....
after reading up on theoretical speeds of the Moto G5 and the Power4...I really hope the next gen G5s are based on the IBM technology
after reading up on theoretical speeds of the Moto G5 and the Power4...I really hope the next gen G5s are based on the IBM technology
lots of interesting thoughts & opinions (as well as some good ol fashioned mis-spelling!)
time is what it takes to find the answers on all these questions, though Apple is quickly running out of time.
their chip manufacturing is funded by the %5 of apple buyers, where as the PC market is much more diversified, and easier to fund development and research
time is what it takes to find the answers on all these questions, though Apple is quickly running out of time.
their chip manufacturing is funded by the %5 of apple buyers, where as the PC market is much more diversified, and easier to fund development and research
Well I for one am convinced that the G4s etc are much more efficient that the P4s so I don't think there's anything to worry about when it comes to processors, it's the bus and memory that bother me and what everyone should be worried about. Ever since the Pentium 60MHz the limiting factor has been the bus, memory and hard disk. There's no point in having a super fast processor if it spends 99% of its time waiting for data which is what is happening; especially with ATA66 hard drives.
Never mind the G5, DDR2700 and ATA133 and we'll be away, stick with SDRAM and ATA66 and you won't even notice you've got a new processor!
Never mind the G5, DDR2700 and ATA133 and we'll be away, stick with SDRAM and ATA66 and you won't even notice you've got a new processor!
G5? not likely...
If the G5 was ready but for classic support, why wouldn't they release it in an Xserve? As long as it works with Apache, PHP, File sharing services, Shake, Maya, Combustion, After Effects, etc, etc, there would be a huge market for it in server/render farms... I don't think thats a likely reason.
my .02
-a
If the G5 was ready but for classic support, why wouldn't they release it in an Xserve? As long as it works with Apache, PHP, File sharing services, Shake, Maya, Combustion, After Effects, etc, etc, there would be a huge market for it in server/render farms... I don't think thats a likely reason.
my .02
-a
Re: Re: G5, for real?
Nope, your first thought is correct. Apple's next bug dog will not be the G5 or at least the G5 we thought MOT would give us. It will be an IBM POWER4-core. Also, AMD is producing an x86 mobo for Apple that will dual boot windows and X. Those are the options, however, the AMD option might be a 'just in case' scenario. Otherwise, expect the POWER4-core this time next year.
Nope, your first thought is correct. Apple's next bug dog will not be the G5 or at least the G5 we thought MOT would give us. It will be an IBM POWER4-core. Also, AMD is producing an x86 mobo for Apple that will dual boot windows and X. Those are the options, however, the AMD option might be a 'just in case' scenario. Otherwise, expect the POWER4-core this time next year.
I'm not worried about having to use pentium type products...it will give apple a bigger share, and we get better prices as demand goes up.
It would be the best scenario now that we have gone to a Unix core. However, all the applications we are running now, will they work off a pentium or amd chip?
will all the software developers have to again, rewrite their codes next year?
It would be the best scenario now that we have gone to a Unix core. However, all the applications we are running now, will they work off a pentium or amd chip?
will all the software developers have to again, rewrite their codes next year?
It would make more sense that the G5 would show up in some version of a server. Limited production and a lack of need to run client software would prove the processor's ability without undue stress on the majority of software developers.
Hi all,
I am living in ireland which seams to be most computer and processor manufacturers european headquarters.
Microsoft have a huge European headquarters in Dublin, Intel have a huge Euro headquarters and P4 and Itanium 2 manufacturing plants here. Apple has a huge headquarters down the road in Cork where they manufacture and assemble the powermac line. AMD are rumored to be building a fab in Kildare for their Hammer line processors.
Ok the reason i am giving this background is that currently apple are running switch adds over here (in ireland a very processor aware country) I am a newie to the mac scene... but then so was everyone in this forum at one stage or another. I never used a mac until recently when OS X blew me away. As a final year comp science student i was amazed that all my shell scripts worked under OS X. Now this is where i reckon apple are going... i reckon that there will be a G5 soon. I reckon that they would not have started a 'switch' campaign without some hardware toback it up. Think of it this way.... the first thing a pc user typically will want to know after seeing the switch adds whether ignorant or not is whether the mac is more powerful in its current guise than the PC. Now AMD are soon to start promoting its X86 32/64 line of '64bit' processors which will be taking over from the main athlon line. Intel are also supposed to have a hybrid chip ready as well. Intel also has Itanium 2. Now based on the rumored specs of 64bit for g5... would apple not be shooting themselves in the foot with their 'switch' adverts if they did not have something to back it up with. At least have something ready to part take in the upcoming '64 bit' onslaught! Keeping in mind that those 'switch' adverts indirectly are making the pceee market more directly competetive with the mac market... "the whole anything you can do on a pc you can do better on a mac"...... so apple is indirectly telling pc users to 'switch' to superior hardware software and hardware..... they have produced on the software but they have got to produce on the hardware front.... the G4 is 3 years old at this stage.... thats a long life time.... they have to have a new type processor and system bus, memory etc... due soon if they are not to fall victim to their own marketing.
Ultimately will many people still be interested in 'switching' to a 32bit machine (g4 speed bumped) when they can 'switch' to 64bit x86 hardware instead. Unfortunately this will be the case unless apple gets back in the game soon. I think that apple know this and will not let themselves get caught out. ALso wouldn't AUgust to October be the perfect time to launch a counter offensive against the pc world.... with a native 64bit g5 launching against a hybrid x86 32/64. Go figure.
Any contructive opinions here?? I am know i am new here and probably totally wrong.... its just my opinion and i am quite happy to be enlightened by those of you who have been here for ages. Teach me!
regards,
i_wolf
I am living in ireland which seams to be most computer and processor manufacturers european headquarters.
Microsoft have a huge European headquarters in Dublin, Intel have a huge Euro headquarters and P4 and Itanium 2 manufacturing plants here. Apple has a huge headquarters down the road in Cork where they manufacture and assemble the powermac line. AMD are rumored to be building a fab in Kildare for their Hammer line processors.
Ok the reason i am giving this background is that currently apple are running switch adds over here (in ireland a very processor aware country) I am a newie to the mac scene... but then so was everyone in this forum at one stage or another. I never used a mac until recently when OS X blew me away. As a final year comp science student i was amazed that all my shell scripts worked under OS X. Now this is where i reckon apple are going... i reckon that there will be a G5 soon. I reckon that they would not have started a 'switch' campaign without some hardware toback it up. Think of it this way.... the first thing a pc user typically will want to know after seeing the switch adds whether ignorant or not is whether the mac is more powerful in its current guise than the PC. Now AMD are soon to start promoting its X86 32/64 line of '64bit' processors which will be taking over from the main athlon line. Intel are also supposed to have a hybrid chip ready as well. Intel also has Itanium 2. Now based on the rumored specs of 64bit for g5... would apple not be shooting themselves in the foot with their 'switch' adverts if they did not have something to back it up with. At least have something ready to part take in the upcoming '64 bit' onslaught! Keeping in mind that those 'switch' adverts indirectly are making the pceee market more directly competetive with the mac market... "the whole anything you can do on a pc you can do better on a mac"...... so apple is indirectly telling pc users to 'switch' to superior hardware software and hardware..... they have produced on the software but they have got to produce on the hardware front.... the G4 is 3 years old at this stage.... thats a long life time.... they have to have a new type processor and system bus, memory etc... due soon if they are not to fall victim to their own marketing.
Ultimately will many people still be interested in 'switching' to a 32bit machine (g4 speed bumped) when they can 'switch' to 64bit x86 hardware instead. Unfortunately this will be the case unless apple gets back in the game soon. I think that apple know this and will not let themselves get caught out. ALso wouldn't AUgust to October be the perfect time to launch a counter offensive against the pc world.... with a native 64bit g5 launching against a hybrid x86 32/64. Go figure.
Any contructive opinions here?? I am know i am new here and probably totally wrong.... its just my opinion and i am quite happy to be enlightened by those of you who have been here for ages. Teach me!
regards,
i_wolf