Ya I know. I got my numbers mixed up. Sorry. Dothan is expected to be out 2nd to 3rd quarter starting out at 2Ghz. I thought I had read somewhere that a Pentium M-II chip was due out 4th quarter of 2004. *sighs* It doesn't really matter I guess.
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G5 PowerBook: "...by the end of next year." -Steve Jobs
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Ya I know. I got my numbers mixed up. Sorry. Dothan is expected to be out 2nd to 3rd quarter starting out at 2Ghz. I thought I had read somewhere that a Pentium M-II chip was due out 4th quarter of 2004. *sighs* It doesn't really matter I guess.
Sorry to point it out to you but VPC is not made to run all your expensive PC software on a Mac with the speed that a current PC would. VPC is made to run the occasional PC program on the Mac if you have to. Runnin all your PC software on a Mac through VPC beats the purpose of buying a Mac which is to use Mac OS X as your OS. If you want a pretty laptop to run your PC software I bet you can find several PC manufacturers with a decent looks. If I were you I wouldn't spend 3000 on a Mac and run XP through VPC on it. You get all the problems of the XP plus the reduced performace of an emulator.
And just in case you don't know that yet VPC is not compatible with G5 and I haven't heard MS having plans to make it compatible.
So buy a Mac if you are going to use the single most important thing that makes it a Mac: The OS X
This is disapointing, I was really hoping for a G5 powerbook by august so I could buy it for college. I am a HS senior and I have been saving up 2000 bucks so I could spend it on a powerbook when I goto college. It would suck to be forced to buy a G4 for college a few months before the G5 comes out...
big bummer...
big bummer...
Better hurry up, Intels coming thru
Hmm, less than stunning news. Assuming the top G5 Powerbook debuts with say a 90nm 2GHz single processor, any thoughts how would that compare speed wise with say a 2.0GHz Centrino, which presumably will be available by then. Will they still be in the game?
Hmm, less than stunning news. Assuming the top G5 Powerbook debuts with say a 90nm 2GHz single processor, any thoughts how would that compare speed wise with say a 2.0GHz Centrino, which presumably will be available by then. Will they still be in the game?
Originally posted by Raiden
This is disapointing, I was really hoping for a G5 powerbook by august so I could buy it for college. I am a HS senior and I have been saving up 2000 bucks so I could spend it on a powerbook when I goto college. It would suck to be forced to buy a G4 for college a few months before the G5 comes out...
If I was in a bad mood I'd tell you to get a clue, but I'm in a good mood, so I'll give you the clue instead.
*You don't have to have a PowerBook the first few months of your freshman year.*
Trust me. I'm doing just fine with my iMac, and I'd do just fine with it for the foreseeable future. I decided to hold out for new PowerBooks, and my 15" is shipping Tuesday.
So bring your current computer to school with you. If you share a computer with your parents, that's a slightly different problem. If your college has decent computer labs and you're not fully addicted to Internet access, you'll be fine with that.
Re: Better hurry up, Intels coming thru
I've seen news that the Pentium-M compares clock for clock with the G5. So we'll be tied with them.
I've seen news that the Pentium-M compares clock for clock with the G5. So we'll be tied with them.
1. I'm well aware that VPC wasn't going to be that fast on a Mac. After all it is emulating a CPU. However my point was that I'd expect at least something decent in terms of performance. The performance on the 17 PB wasnt all that great but it wasnt totally terrible. Rough guess. It felt like a 133-200Mhz system. If the performance could be increased by say 30-40% Id be happy. I believe a G5 could do this. Yes I have no hard evidence to support this. But a jacked up system bus and a 1.6Ghz chip I believe would allow me to have the best of both worlds.
2. Yes I know that MS has yet to release a version of VPC that works on a G5. I expect that sometime next year this problem will be rectified. MS has stated that they are working on the problem. I'm guessing they will fix it but take their sweet time doing so. Even if its next fall I could live without running apps on my PowerBook as long as I KNOW its coming.
A lot of my post is based on pure speculation but unfortunately that is all we have to go on right now.
You state the most important part of the thing that makes the Mac a Mac is the OS. I don't agree. I believe its the entire package is what makes what Apple puts out unique in the computer industry. The hardware and the software. Right now if I didn't have Windows software to run I would have plunked down 3 grand on the new 17 PBs last week. But I cant and wont until I know for certain I can run VPC at a decent speed. Unfortunately I can only wait so long and a year isnt an option. 1/2 of next year is. I want a laptop in my hands by July of 2004. Whether or not that is a PC or a Mac is up to apple and just how good their development team is.
Well that doesn't make me feel so bad about going out and buying my new G4 PB - I wonder if there will be a 64-bit OS by the time the G5 PB's come out?? I guess that's where it's all slowly heading ...
Hard to make anything of these kinds of comments, as we don't know the questions.
imagine;
"Are you working on a G5 PB?"
"Yes, we are"
"Can you give us a release-date?"
"No can do"
"This Year?"
"Nope"
"Next year?"
"Well, by the end of next year we'd certainly hope to have them out yes..
and would you now please stop digging?"
"Uhm, ok"
who knows?
imagine;
"Are you working on a G5 PB?"
"Yes, we are"
"Can you give us a release-date?"
"No can do"
"This Year?"
"Nope"
"Next year?"
"Well, by the end of next year we'd certainly hope to have them out yes..
and would you now please stop digging?"
"Uhm, ok"
who knows?
Well, I want to hold up a sign that says, "I told you so." Considering what they have to pack inside a powerbook. I'd next year - late next year - would be optimistic.
The current crop is great, if I was not about to buy a new car, I wouldn't hesitate to drop the bucks on an alu-book.
The current crop is great, if I was not about to buy a new car, I wouldn't hesitate to drop the bucks on an alu-book.
I really think that Apple is being overly conservative right now about public statements. Remember that until recently Steve and crew never gave any hint as to what was happening. Just like his 3GHZ projection, I have a feeling this side comment is more conservative. I think both are "worst-case" scenarios and we'll see them achieved earlier.
I really think there is a strong possibility that we'll see dual-3GHZ G5s announced at MWSF (and I have very good reason to believe this) with the possibility of G5 Powerbooks coming then too (this depends highly on IBM's production @ 60nm, which may begin by the end of the year.
Apple is just playing it safe after getting bitten by Motorola with the G4 - I think they don't want to disappoint their customers by giving them a rigid timeline. This also means that they might blow your expectations away. With this comment from Steve, how would you feel if Apple introduced the G5 Powerbook in January? You'd be amazed by their speed in bringing it.
I really think there is a strong possibility that we'll see dual-3GHZ G5s announced at MWSF (and I have very good reason to believe this) with the possibility of G5 Powerbooks coming then too (this depends highly on IBM's production @ 60nm, which may begin by the end of the year.
Apple is just playing it safe after getting bitten by Motorola with the G4 - I think they don't want to disappoint their customers by giving them a rigid timeline. This also means that they might blow your expectations away. With this comment from Steve, how would you feel if Apple introduced the G5 Powerbook in January? You'd be amazed by their speed in bringing it.
Y'know, I used to think that way as well: after all, what's the big deal/ most of us (especially the students) have no need for a 64 bit 2Ghz or more laptop - after all, Word'll run just as well on my TiBook 400!
But then I got to thinking: I don't NEED a nice house - a studio appartment would do! I don't NEED to eat in restaurants every so often - home cooked food would do!
And so on and so on. Point is, I don't see the big deal about people stating they want a G5 laptop for college. You shouldn't have to provide a reason for wanting something. It is perfectly acceptable to want the latest and greatest just because you can.
Sure, it may not be the most important thing in the world - it's just a computer, right? But given that for most of us here, computing is a hobby we enjoy, using need or lack of it as a reason for buying something seems to me kinda pointless.
just my 2 cents
I think apple will have a G5 powerbook as soon as IBM gets them on a 90nm process. If I was to bet money I would bet 6 months from now running at about 1.6 - 2ghz.
If I remember correctly IBM is going to have to move to a smaller chip to get much past 2 ghz and Steve already said 3 ghz by the end of the summer.
Now if it was true that they wouldnt be out until the end of 04 then no one would buy towards the end of the year right? Just like if he said they would be out in 6 months it would kill sales now. I think he is trying to make sure he doesnt kill sales but also making sure people dont lose confidence in Apples ability to make a g5 laptop.
I think apple will have a G5 powerbook as soon as IBM gets them on a 90nm process. If I was to bet money I would bet 6 months from now running at about 1.6 - 2ghz.
If I remember correctly IBM is going to have to move to a smaller chip to get much past 2 ghz and Steve already said 3 ghz by the end of the summer.
Now if it was true that they wouldnt be out until the end of 04 then no one would buy towards the end of the year right? Just like if he said they would be out in 6 months it would kill sales now. I think he is trying to make sure he doesnt kill sales but also making sure people dont lose confidence in Apples ability to make a g5 laptop.
Darn... Apple really has problems with getting new hardware out fast. We waited TO long for the PM G5, we waited TO long for the new PB (which wasn´t what we all hoped for) and I´m pretty darn sure that I will wait TO long for my "prechues" iBook update with Gobi onboard. I think I will go and read a book instead of these rumor pages, this is not good for my health. I´ll come back by cristmas and see how things are going.
(see u guys to morrow)
(see u guys to morrow
)I really think they're doing it the right way. Don't rush the PowerBook G5 just to satisfy the masses... We finally have a Mac worthy of the name G5, the Power Mac. If power's what you want, you can get it right now, in the form of a desktop. I have never thought of laptops as serious power tools. They're MOBILE tools, allowing you to do your work away from your desk, to a certain degree. But anyone who wants to do serious work (video editing, graphics, 3D, complex math, you get a desktop. Period. Anyone who has ONLY a laptop generally uses it for lighter stuff (word processing, email, internet, spreadsheets, music).
Sure, there are many PC "laptops" that use desktop Intel procs & have RAID drives and that kind of stuff, but honestly, does anybody actually lug these 10 pound "portables" around? And if so, is it just to play Unreal at a LAN party?
Notebooks are for mobility, desktops are for real power users. It's just not going to change. So, Apple, take your time making the G5 PowerBook, and make it unbelievably droolworthy, stable, and berautiful, because as much as I want it to completely obliterate anything on the Wintel market, I don't believe it is necessary right now. The 15" and 17" seem pretty powerful for what laptops are designed to do, and I'm sure would satisfy any of us until next year's revisions.
Just my ramblings.
Sure, there are many PC "laptops" that use desktop Intel procs & have RAID drives and that kind of stuff, but honestly, does anybody actually lug these 10 pound "portables" around? And if so, is it just to play Unreal at a LAN party?
Notebooks are for mobility, desktops are for real power users. It's just not going to change. So, Apple, take your time making the G5 PowerBook, and make it unbelievably droolworthy, stable, and berautiful, because as much as I want it to completely obliterate anything on the Wintel market, I don't believe it is necessary right now. The 15" and 17" seem pretty powerful for what laptops are designed to do, and I'm sure would satisfy any of us until next year's revisions.
Just my ramblings.
Well, the current powerbooks contain a chip that is identical to the 7457 with the exception of L3 cache support, so what's your point?
To the VPC guy: There is absolutely no point whatsoever in getting a mac until you are prepared to buy mac-native versions of MOST of your software. If you have a couple of extremely important apps that are windows-only and you can deal with how bad they run under emulation, go for it. But as much as I love my Cube, an Intel-based notebook is an infinitely better machine for running windows apps. What applications are we talking about?
My point is already stated in your comment. Current chip is 7447 without L3 Cache. If they are to come out with yet another G4 PowerBook, they'll need to do something to boost its performance. Clockspeed update for starters, and possibly L3 Cache to give it little extra juice.