Aah, umm, ah... if the newest Mac type has to use big time fancy tower crap, then look at the first G3. And the first Powermac? All in one. At least have a slot where you can slide a special monitor into the side of the tower. Two peice computers can take up lots of desk space.
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I would like a version of the Power Mac that fits under (or, considering Apple is now all LCD, behind) the monitor, kind of in the same basic shape as the old Mac LC III but with a much-updated curvy translucent look. 2 PCI slots, a slot-load drive, VERY QUIET, video and everything else integrated onto the motherboard. It would cost less than a tower, as well, and it might actually better satisfy those who are calling for rackmount Macs.
I know towers are much more versatile and whatnot, but pizzaboxes are just so much sexier, and this would fill the niche for a computer that is a bit more flexible than the iMac but not the full-on power-user machine the Power Mac is (or could be).
No, on second thought, I like that liquid metal idea better.
Alex
I know towers are much more versatile and whatnot, but pizzaboxes are just so much sexier, and this would fill the niche for a computer that is a bit more flexible than the iMac but not the full-on power-user machine the Power Mac is (or could be).
No, on second thought, I like that liquid metal idea better.
Alex
Re: Repeat after me newbie:
That's just too funny. If I didnt just go to the bathroom I might have wet my pants!
That's just too funny. If I didnt just go to the bathroom I might have wet my pants!
Re: For those of you who like the 1 piece concept:
That's all fine and dandy, but that machine was the precursor to the first iMac and therefore you shouldn't knock it.
I was really pissed off when I bought my PM5500, then suddenly saw this US-only model, as I really could have done with a G3 back then for Unreal as it came out. Actually I think the PCI slots made the ol' G3 All-In-One a better machine than the Rev A iMac. I mean, the Rev A looks pitiful compared with the Rev B and Rev C. Try playing even low-level games on an ATI Rage II.
I think the G3 AIO was quite a good machine for its era (as if you hadn't guessed by now)
Originally posted by mischief
Check out this monstrosity:
http://lowendmac.com/ppc/g3aio.shtml
That thing was the size of an Apple 21" CRT and had PCI slots and the whole shebang. It was however also the single UGLIEST Mac ever.
That's all fine and dandy, but that machine was the precursor to the first iMac and therefore you shouldn't knock it.
I was really pissed off when I bought my PM5500, then suddenly saw this US-only model, as I really could have done with a G3 back then for Unreal as it came out. Actually I think the PCI slots made the ol' G3 All-In-One a better machine than the Rev A iMac. I mean, the Rev A looks pitiful compared with the Rev B and Rev C. Try playing even low-level games on an ATI Rage II.
I think the G3 AIO was quite a good machine for its era (as if you hadn't guessed by now)
Re: It is the Xtreme G4
the reason you can't find it is because it wasn't Xtreme, but xtrem . If you try searching in Google for xtrem mac you should find lots of pages (though you may need to look at the cached versions).
I started a thread not so long ago to find out if anyone knew what had happened to xtrem and their vapourware project. It didn't get very far.
Anyway, their website no longer exists at www.xtrem.com
Shame, because it was a good idea to liquid-cool a G4. It was Intel/AMD megahertz-competition and liquid-cooled Athlons that initially got the x86 architecture towards 1GHz, it it wouldn't have been a bad thing for Motorolla to have been given the same kick up the arse 2 years ago.
Originally posted by iGAV
It is!!
It is!!
It is!!
I I can't find a picture of the thing either
Anyone know where to find this puppy??
And wasn't it super cooled or something???
the reason you can't find it is because it wasn't Xtreme, but xtrem . If you try searching in Google for xtrem mac you should find lots of pages (though you may need to look at the cached versions).
I started a thread not so long ago to find out if anyone knew what had happened to xtrem and their vapourware project. It didn't get very far.
Anyway, their website no longer exists at www.xtrem.com
Shame, because it was a good idea to liquid-cool a G4. It was Intel/AMD megahertz-competition and liquid-cooled Athlons that initially got the x86 architecture towards 1GHz, it it wouldn't have been a bad thing for Motorolla to have been given the same kick up the arse 2 years ago.
Re: Re: For those of you who like the 1 piece concept:
First off: It wasn't just US only it was Education only.
Although I agree it was better cuz of it's PCI and ZIF, it was also HUGE. It no longer meshes with Apple's design vision to have an 18" cube of stuff dominating the desk. Therefore a Tower makes more sense for Pro, which is what we're talking about here.
If you want to discuss iMacs with PCI please, go start a thread. I started this discussion to hash out what we'd all like to see in the G5 PRO model when it comes out.........not an iMac mutant with PCI.
It's also taken on the tangent of future developments (G6+). But the thread head was definitely about PRO DESKTOP models.
First off: It wasn't just US only it was Education only.
Although I agree it was better cuz of it's PCI and ZIF, it was also HUGE. It no longer meshes with Apple's design vision to have an 18" cube of stuff dominating the desk. Therefore a Tower makes more sense for Pro, which is what we're talking about here.
If you want to discuss iMacs with PCI please, go start a thread. I started this discussion to hash out what we'd all like to see in the G5 PRO model when it comes out.........not an iMac mutant with PCI.
It's also taken on the tangent of future developments (G6+). But the thread head was definitely about PRO DESKTOP models.
Anyone else praying for the G5 to come out at MWNY???
I will be paying down my credit card as much, and as fast, as possible in the next few months. I am seriously thinking about stepping up my time frame for getting a new tower. I have several Mac games that I want to be able to play (the TiBook just chokes too much on UT for me). Besides, I have a sweet 17.4" lcd that I want to use, and my FireWire scanner too. I will definately have them yank the modem out (on DSL) and not sure about the optical drive. No need for zip disks, since cd's are so much cheaper and with no moving parts, fail less often.
I will be paying down my credit card as much, and as fast, as possible in the next few months. I am seriously thinking about stepping up my time frame for getting a new tower. I have several Mac games that I want to be able to play (the TiBook just chokes too much on UT for me). Besides, I have a sweet 17.4" lcd that I want to use, and my FireWire scanner too. I will definately have them yank the modem out (on DSL) and not sure about the optical drive. No need for zip disks, since cd's are so much cheaper and with no moving parts, fail less often.
I can't wait for a new case to come out.... pref with the G5 bolted in under the hood!!!
As I have big interest in Product design (well the design of pretty much anything actually) when a new case is introduced, that's when I really perk up......
I'm not so sure if the new case will be as revolutionary a jump from the current case interms of functionality, like the Blue and White G3's was from the beige desktop and minitower versions......, but whatever it's going to look pretty stunning...... I have complete faith in Ives & co.
I still hope it's going to be like a bigger TiBook, clean, uncluttered and made out of some exotic material just like the TiBook....., with a lovely big Apple logo on the side.....
The thing is, I don't think it will be... I really think Apple are going to pull something really amazing out of the bag on this one...... I don't know what it is.... I just have this feeling it's going to be something special, oh so very special.......
As I have big interest in Product design (well the design of pretty much anything actually) when a new case is introduced, that's when I really perk up......
I'm not so sure if the new case will be as revolutionary a jump from the current case interms of functionality, like the Blue and White G3's was from the beige desktop and minitower versions......, but whatever it's going to look pretty stunning...... I have complete faith in Ives & co.
I still hope it's going to be like a bigger TiBook, clean, uncluttered and made out of some exotic material just like the TiBook....., with a lovely big Apple logo on the side.....
The thing is, I don't think it will be... I really think Apple are going to pull something really amazing out of the bag on this one...... I don't know what it is.... I just have this feeling it's going to be something special, oh so very special.......
Reverend Alphatech.....
I'm praying...... a G5 at MWNY would be mindblowing.....
However I hope that when Apple do unleash this monster on us, its because the G5 is ready........ not like what happened with the G4......
The G5 is going to be such an incredible machine..... both interms of the perfomance, capabilities and the aesthetics....... but I really hope when the machine is released... it is ready to go..... and not have the same problems that plagued the G4 because of it's rushed announcement.....
Now everyone join the Reverend Alphatech and pray for the G5.........
I'm praying...... a G5 at MWNY would be mindblowing.....
However I hope that when Apple do unleash this monster on us, its because the G5 is ready........ not like what happened with the G4......
The G5 is going to be such an incredible machine..... both interms of the perfomance, capabilities and the aesthetics.......
but I really hope when the machine is released... it is ready to go..... and not have the same problems that plagued the G4 because of it's rushed announcement.....Now everyone join the Reverend Alphatech and pray for the G5.........
Re: Re: Re: For those of you who like the 1 piece concept:
No need to jump down my throat. I'm hardly the first person to take this thread a little off-topic.
A tower obviously makes more sense for a pro-level machine, but I have always thought Apple should have the foresight to include 1 PCI slot on their entry-level machine.
Was it you who suggested PCMCIA modem etc for this proposed 'I want...' PowerMac? Wouldn't that be much more expensive to implement than sticking with PCI throughout?
No need to jump down my throat. I'm hardly the first person to take this thread a little off-topic.
A tower obviously makes more sense for a pro-level machine, but I have always thought Apple should have the foresight to include 1 PCI slot on their entry-level machine.
Was it you who suggested PCMCIA modem etc for this proposed 'I want...' PowerMac? Wouldn't that be much more expensive to implement than sticking with PCI throughout?
Re: It is the Xtreme G4
the reason you can't find it is because it wasn't Xtreme, but xtrem . If you try searching in Google for xtrem mac you should find lots of pages (though you may need to look at the cached versions).
I started a thread not so long ago to find out if anyone knew what had happened to xtrem and their vapourware project. It didn't get very far.
Anyway, their website no longer exists at www.xtrem.com
Shame, because it was a good idea to liquid-cool a G4. It was Intel/AMD megahertz-competition and liquid-cooled Athlons that initially got the x86 architecture towards 1GHz, it it wouldn't have been a bad thing for Motorolla to have been given the same kick up the arse 2 years ago.
Originally posted by iGAV
It is!!
It is!!
It is!!
I I can't find a picture of the thing either
Anyone know where to find this puppy??
And wasn't it super cooled or something???
the reason you can't find it is because it wasn't Xtreme, but xtrem . If you try searching in Google for xtrem mac you should find lots of pages (though you may need to look at the cached versions).
I started a thread not so long ago to find out if anyone knew what had happened to xtrem and their vapourware project. It didn't get very far.
Anyway, their website no longer exists at www.xtrem.com
Shame, because it was a good idea to liquid-cool a G4. It was Intel/AMD megahertz-competition and liquid-cooled Athlons that initially got the x86 architecture towards 1GHz, it it wouldn't have been a bad thing for Motorolla to have been given the same kick up the arse 2 years ago.
no double postings
Dunepilot... double posting will get you hurt. We don't take kindly to people trying to artifically inflate their post count. Your last post is a direct dupe of another you posted further up the page...
Hope you have your fire retardant shorts on, cause you should expect some flames...
Dunepilot... double posting will get you hurt. We don't take kindly to people trying to artifically inflate their post count. Your last post is a direct dupe of another you posted further up the page...
Hope you have your fire retardant shorts on, cause you should expect some flames...
Originally posted by iGAV
Now everyone join the Reverend Alphatech and pray for the G5.........
How about we hold a midnight vigil the eve before the keynote???
... everyone get your lighters ready
RE: PCMCIA Vs. PCI
PCMCIA is already implemented for Airport. It may be specialized for that particular card but it is on the mobo running through the comm circuit.
The idea was to get inexpensive, readily available components like the modem off the mobo and provide flexability in adding other similar devices.
As to adding PCI to an entry level machine: Why? It's a waste of space. If you're too cheap for a Tower you shouldn't complain.
PCMCIA is already implemented for Airport. It may be specialized for that particular card but it is on the mobo running through the comm circuit.
The idea was to get inexpensive, readily available components like the modem off the mobo and provide flexability in adding other similar devices.
As to adding PCI to an entry level machine: Why? It's a waste of space. If you're too cheap for a Tower you shouldn't complain.
Re: And get.....
How about Talking Heads Burning Down the House... Or better still, some heavy metal, in case the new towers are made from some metal (outside) like the TiBook is. Chrome up the outside (hard chrome so that it wears well) and you will have a hit. Even if they stick with G4 processors, I will go with a new tower in that case.
Just a confirmed chromoholic here
Originally posted by iGAV
R.E.M.'s 'Everybody hurts' ready.....
just incase Apple bum us out!!!
How about Talking Heads Burning Down the House... Or better still, some heavy metal, in case the new towers are made from some metal (outside) like the TiBook is
. Chrome up the outside (hard chrome so that it wears well) and you will have a hit. Even if they stick with G4 processors, I will go with a new tower in that case. Just a confirmed chromoholic here
mischief, how many of the pcmcia slots would you like to see??? Have you seen the price of pcmcia modems lately?? A good one (that won't crap out after a few months or year) runs over $100. I would rather have the modem plug into the motherboard then into a slot in the back. I know many people don't want to sacrificed PCI slots, just to have a pcmcia slot that they will probably never use.
Besides, pcmcia is used in laptops because of space restrictions, not for speed of interface. They also cost more (the cards do). Just check the cost of a FireWire PCI card and then a FireWire pcmcia card. You can also get dual function PCI cards (USB 2 and FireWire, USB 1.1 and FireWire as well as FireWire and SCSI) for not a lot of green.
In my opinion, pcmcia is an interface that is on it's way out. More and more laptops are coming with ports built in that used to be available via pcmcia cards (like modems and ethernet). Eventually, the laptops will have everything onboard (like the Mac's do) that you will need. If I was to guess-timate when pcmcia will be gone, I would have to say in under three years it will be no more. I see it going the way of adb.
Besides, pcmcia is used in laptops because of space restrictions, not for speed of interface. They also cost more (the cards do). Just check the cost of a FireWire PCI card and then a FireWire pcmcia card. You can also get dual function PCI cards (USB 2 and FireWire, USB 1.1 and FireWire as well as FireWire and SCSI) for not a lot of green.
In my opinion, pcmcia is an interface that is on it's way out. More and more laptops are coming with ports built in that used to be available via pcmcia cards (like modems and ethernet). Eventually, the laptops will have everything onboard (like the Mac's do) that you will need. If I was to guess-timate when pcmcia will be gone, I would have to say in under three years it will be no more. I see it going the way of adb.
Okay. I was clarifying earlier posts.
I was effectively thinking aloud.
I basically would like to see modems go beyond 56k and be configged off the mobo.
I want a mac that I doesn't need a Cable or DSL modem. And I see no reason for having these components taking up space on an already cluttered mobo.
I was effectively thinking aloud.
I basically would like to see modems go beyond 56k and be configged off the mobo.
I want a mac that I doesn't need a Cable or DSL modem. And I see no reason for having these components taking up space on an already cluttered mobo.
Chrome........... Oh yes, that'd be cool....... Especially on the TiBook......
I think they could well introduce a new case for the G4, the same way as the did with the Blue and White G3........ then they just changed the colour when the G4 came out....
Although imagine......... Apple release a chrome case for the new G4 and then when the G5 is released, they turn it......... SNOW....... Eww......
I think they could well introduce a new case for the G4, the same way as the did with the Blue and White G3........ then they just changed the colour when the G4 came out....
Although imagine......... Apple release a chrome case for the new G4 and then when the G5 is released, they turn it......... SNOW....... Eww......
Re: Okay. I was clarifying earlier posts.
ok... cable modems use the ethernet connection from the computer (best on the motherboard).
As for dial-up modems, the fcc (I believe) restricts the speeds to 53k maximum. Where Apple has the modem plugging into the motherboards presently is a good place. I can't see anything else using that spot. Also, with just the one plug in the back of the computer for the modem, it is very streamlined. Use it or don't, get the computer with, or without the modem, your choice (a bto option on all towers). You can also pull the modem off the motherboard if you want, and try to sell it to someone that needs, or could use, it.
Until Airport technology gets up to gigabit speeds, you will always want a network/internet connection on your computer. Laptops especially, since you never know what you will need when you go someplace. Most locations/companies have ethernet in place, but I am sure that there are some that haven't set it up yet and are still on modems to get ouside.
When was the last time you looked at an Apple motherboard??? Everything since the sawtooth motherboard was mostly function, but had some form thrown in. They have shifted things around some with the QuickSilvers. More to allow for better chip cooling and the extra PCI slot (when that was added) then anything else.
I wouldn't mind seeing an extra pair of FireWire ports off the motherboard, mainly for all the drives and devices I have then anything else. Then again, with a FireWire hub, that need goes away.
ok... cable modems use the ethernet connection from the computer (best on the motherboard).
As for dial-up modems, the fcc (I believe) restricts the speeds to 53k maximum. Where Apple has the modem plugging into the motherboards presently is a good place. I can't see anything else using that spot. Also, with just the one plug in the back of the computer for the modem, it is very streamlined. Use it or don't, get the computer with, or without the modem, your choice (a bto option on all towers). You can also pull the modem off the motherboard if you want, and try to sell it to someone that needs, or could use, it.
Until Airport technology gets up to gigabit speeds, you will always want a network/internet connection on your computer. Laptops especially, since you never know what you will need when you go someplace. Most locations/companies have ethernet in place, but I am sure that there are some that haven't set it up yet and are still on modems to get ouside.
When was the last time you looked at an Apple motherboard??? Everything since the sawtooth motherboard was mostly function, but had some form thrown in. They have shifted things around some with the QuickSilvers. More to allow for better chip cooling and the extra PCI slot (when that was added) then anything else.
I wouldn't mind seeing an extra pair of FireWire ports off the motherboard, mainly for all the drives and devices I have then anything else. Then again, with a FireWire hub, that need goes away.
iGAV, the only things snow is really good for is fights (snowball fights that is) and writing your name in
If Apple does make a white tower, they should call it something better... maybe ivory or alabaster... something better then a seasonal color, something that lasts for a long time.
Just an opinion/though...
I wonder who we should contact with suggestions for case colors.... Someone at Apple that will be make a difference. Anyone have Jobs email addy??????
If Apple does make a white tower, they should call it something better... maybe ivory or alabaster... something better then a seasonal color, something that lasts for a long time.
Just an opinion/though...
I wonder who we should contact with suggestions for case colors.... Someone at Apple that will be make a difference. Anyone have Jobs email addy??????
is a g5 asking for so much
i've been sitting on my checkbook for so long my backs out of alignment-truly i've been waiting since december-did get tempted by the dual1ghz but that just seems so stop-gap...
i think in light of apple's new hi-end lcd imac, we're gonna see a new case and design for the g5 that'll take us by surprise. my guess is an industrial yet cool design with easy internal access and an option for a horizontal rack mount configuration. i think the machines going to be much quieter to answer all of the jet-noise complaints. i also predict much more user-ordered configurability( pci slots, etc.) and a higher price to boot.
i'm thinking the price of the new g5 will really seperate the pro line from the consumer line-and i hope i can still afford it....
i've been sitting on my checkbook for so long my backs out of alignment-truly i've been waiting since december-did get tempted by the dual1ghz but that just seems so stop-gap...
i think in light of apple's new hi-end lcd imac, we're gonna see a new case and design for the g5 that'll take us by surprise. my guess is an industrial yet cool design with easy internal access and an option for a horizontal rack mount configuration. i think the machines going to be much quieter to answer all of the jet-noise complaints. i also predict much more user-ordered configurability( pci slots, etc.) and a higher price to boot.
i'm thinking the price of the new g5 will really seperate the pro line from the consumer line-and i hope i can still afford it....
not my point at all.
The idea was to be able to plug in directly.......no outside box with power brick in tow. 1 comm card for Cable,Ethernet, DSL and 56K. Either that or one each.
Basically I feel that the modem is better off if it was elsewhere.
Granted: The existing mobo is quite steamlined by industry standards but the Cube proved many of those functions could be done in half the square inch area of the existing mobo.
I think the traditional mobo is the most sensible but from a Geek's prespective I'd like to be able to swap or omit more components without resorting to a solder sucker and a pair of tweezers.
I want to see Apple do a mobo that can be continually upgraded the way nonmacs can. You bought a Harley cuz it will last you a LONG time and be at once easy to work on and easy to add to.......I want a G5 tower built on those principals.
The idea was to be able to plug in directly.......no outside box with power brick in tow. 1 comm card for Cable,Ethernet, DSL and 56K. Either that or one each.
Basically I feel that the modem is better off if it was elsewhere.
Granted: The existing mobo is quite steamlined by industry standards but the Cube proved many of those functions could be done in half the square inch area of the existing mobo.
I think the traditional mobo is the most sensible but from a Geek's prespective I'd like to be able to swap or omit more components without resorting to a solder sucker and a pair of tweezers.
I want to see Apple do a mobo that can be continually upgraded the way nonmacs can. You bought a Harley cuz it will last you a LONG time and be at once easy to work on and easy to add to.......I want a G5 tower built on those principals.