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That is a very poor analogy to what is going on here.

Apple isn't suing Samsung over the general appearance or function of the whole device. It is suing Samsung for infringing upon specific functional and design elements - ie. the way the device handles pinch to zoom and list scrolling. In much the same way that Ford and Chrysler were succesfully sued by Robert Kearns for infringing on his patent for Intermittent Windshield Wipers.

AND ALSO is suing Samsung and Motorola for overall design
 
I'm not even going to argue with you though, ever since I saw you state that Apple should be awarded someone elses valid patent because Apple is "Awesome".

I would love for all the also-rans to hand over their patents to Apple. It's not going to happen (nor should it, in all fairness), but just imagine the things we'd see from a PROACTIVE company like Apple that actually spends their time innovating and releasing worthwhile products to consumers.

Golden opportunities at places like HP and Dell are wasted opportunities. Might as well throw them away. Look at all the amateur junk they churn out. The streak, that mobile phone they tried to develop, now the fumbling of WebOS, etc. Where's all that R&D money going?

These also rans are not innovators or even remotely interesting. They are shells for licensors to run their half-baked software on. They're the equivalent of carriers: dumb pipes.
 
Ups, try again, you failed totally.

Ps., If I hate so much Apple, how is that I have an MBA and an iPod and I had iPhone, iMac, Mac Mini, Macbook and a Cube. Can you explain it?

Maybe because out of 575 posts of yours, more than 500 are against Apple in some or the other way.

Not saying that you cannot go against them, but it seems that you have nothing in appreciation but plentiful in criticism and hate.

:)
 
Secondly, they are trying to show that because of the iPad, these so called design features came into the tablet world which were never there before. [overall rectangular shape with a dominant display screen, narrow borders, a predominately flat front surface, a flat back surface and a thin form factor]

Perhaps an Electrovaya Scribbler SC-1230 from 2003 like this
scribbler_sc130_tablet_pc_102233.jpg
 
I would love for all the also-rans to hand over their patents to Apple. It's not going to happen (nor should it, in all fairness), but just imagine the things we'd see from a PROACTIVE company like Apple that actually spends their time innovating and releasing worthwhile products to consumers.

Golden opportunities at places like HP and Dell are wasted opportunities. Might as well throw them away. Look at all the amateur junk they churn out. The streak, that mobile phone they tried to develop, now the fumbling of WebOS, etc. Where's all that R&D money going?

These also rans are not innovators or even remotely interesting. They are shells for licensors to run their half-baked software on. They're the equivalent of carriers: dumb pipes.

Well, that's like... just your opinion man. Dell has what percent marketshare vs Apple in the notebook and desktop computer business? Let's not forget they were obviously doing well enough to have purchased Alienware, which puts out far more technologically equipped laptops than Apple's current offerings.

And as far as innovation goes, yeah, Apple did a lot of innovation in iOS 5... copying Android.
 
Cite your source.

My God, in Netherlands and Germany Apple is suing Samsung using the Community Design.

Don't you read the threads you write in?

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Maybe because out of 575 posts of yours, more than 500 are against Apple in some or the other way.

Not saying that you cannot go against them, but it seems that you have nothing in appreciation but plentiful in criticism and hate.

:)

Can you show me examples of this hate?

Perhaps you're confusing hating with not being always in the Apple side and perhaps you don't see more appreciation because the time is wasted trying to correct the wrong thing you'll read in the threads.

Saying that there were tablets with a design like the iPad before the iPad is being against Apple? Really?
 
I would love for all the also-rans to hand over their patents to Apple. It's not going to happen (nor should it, in all fairness), but just imagine the things we'd see from a PROACTIVE company like Apple that actually spends their time innovating and releasing worthwhile products to consumers.

Golden opportunities at places like HP and Dell are wasted opportunities. Might as well throw them away. Look at all the amateur junk they churn out. The streak, that mobile phone they tried to develop, now the fumbling of WebOS, etc. Where's all that R&D money going?

These also rans are not innovators or even remotely interesting. They are shells for licensors to run their half-baked software on. They're the equivalent of carriers: dumb pipes.

Apple also patents things that never see the light of day, they even patent things they claim they will never release, they are not alone in this practice.
 
I would love for all the also-rans to hand over their patents to Apple. It's not going to happen (nor should it, in all fairness), but just imagine the things we'd see from a PROACTIVE company like Apple that actually spends their time innovating and releasing worthwhile products to consumers.

Golden opportunities at places like HP and Dell are wasted opportunities. Might as well throw them away. Look at all the amateur junk they churn out. The streak, that mobile phone they tried to develop, now the fumbling of WebOS, etc. Where's all that R&D money going?

These also rans are not innovators or even remotely interesting. They are shells for licensors to run their half-baked software on. They're the equivalent of carriers: dumb pipes.

Well, I don't think that Apple's success came from innovation at all.

This is my suggestion of checklist for a successful Apple-killer:

- Turn user experience the most different from status quo;
- Have a famous CEO, let's say, Arnold Schwarzenegger would be a good choice;
- Give some copies of your product or service to market professionals, journalists and influent people;
- Charge premium prices for it;

Done, now you have big chances to beat Apple.
 
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Cite your source.

He's referring to the lawsuits in the EU. The Australian lawsuit is about patents only, these to be exact :

http://theconversation.edu.au/samsu...pad-the-tablet-patent-wars-hit-australia-2660

Innovation Patents

2008100283: List scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display
2008100372: Electronic device for photo management
2009100820: Unlocking a device by performing gestures on an unlock image
2008100419: Unlocking a device by performing gestures on an unlock image
2008101171: Portable electronic device for imaged-based browsing of contacts
Standard Patents

2008201540: List scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display
2005246219: Multipoint touchscreen
2007283771: Portable electronic device for photo management
2009200366: List scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display
2007286532: Touch screen device, method and graphical user interface for determining commands by applying heuristics


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Saying that there were tablets with a design like the iPad before the iPad is being against Apple? Really?

On MacRumors, stating a competitor is not copying Apple and showing proof of it is akin to hating on Apple. I don't get it either, what hate is there towards Apple in pointing out the differences between an iPhone and a SGS II ?
 
Secondly, they are trying to show that because of the iPad, these so called design features came into the tablet world which were never there before. [overall rectangular shape with a dominant display screen, narrow borders, a predominately flat front surface, a flat back surface and a thin form factor

Or perhaps this HP TC 1100 from 2003?

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Perhaps an Electrovaya Scribbler SC-1230 from 2003 like this
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It has a start mene instead of pages of icons. The way the Samsung products copy the iPad isn't just in the screen and the bezel, it's the total. The whole package. The screen, the bezel, the pages of apps, the dock, the whole damn thing.
 
It has a start mene instead of pages of icons. The way the Samsung products copy the iPad isn't just in the screen and the bezel, it's the total. The whole package. The screen, the bezel, the pages of apps, the dock, the whole damn thing.


Mmmm, you know Honeycomb homepage doesn't have a grid of icons, don't you?

You know that a grid of app icons has been used by Symbian or Motorola way before Apple, don't you?

You know the dock the Galaxy Tab uses is an ANSI standard called PDMI and not a rip off, don't you?

And why the screen is a rip off of Apple, how can you make a screen?

And no, this is not Apple hatred, this is wasting time correcting misinformation.
 
Mmmm, you know Honeycomb homepage doesn't have a grid of icons, don't you?

You know that a grid of app icons has been used by Symbian or Motorola way before Apple, don't you?

You know the dock the Galaxy Tab uses is an ANSI standard called PDMI and not a rip off, don't you?

And why the screen is a rip off of Apple, how can you make a screen?

And no, this is not Apple hatred, this is wasting time correcting misinformation.

You missed the point entirely. It's not the individual elements, it's the whole combination.

Regarding the pages of apps, the Galaxy Tab does have it, what's vanilla Honeycomb got to do with it?

Totally off topic, I have some honeycomb (the real thing, made by bees), anyone any suggestions what to do with it?
 
It has a start mene instead of pages of icons. The way the Samsung products copy the iPad isn't just in the screen and the bezel, it's the total. The whole package. The screen, the bezel, the pages of apps, the dock, the whole damn thing.

Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-10.1_1-1.jpg


I can see the copying, how dare they have icons on their homescreens.
How come all of this? Yet not a single word over Apple's blatant copying of Androids Notification Service, or WP7s Twitter integration, or Blackberry Messenger?
 
Ups, try again, you failed totally.

Ps., If I hate so much Apple, how is that I have an MBA and an iPod and I had iPhone, iMac, Mac Mini, Macbook and a Cube. Can you explain it?
I wouldn't presume to explain your thoughts. Esp the ones where you deny what you have said previously.

And most of your posts are ragging on other posters here, as I also stated.
 
Hp touchpad

Has anyone used a HP TOUCHPAD well its the hottest selling device on the planet right now number one on Amazon thanks to its lowest price cant find one around would Apple look to sue HP also you think i love my TOUCHPAD i love my IPAD i swing between both competition is good .APpple has copied from alot of companies remember they didnt invent the pc or the cellphone APple must not forget what happened to them the last time what goes around comes around sometimes harder. LOVE MY TOUCHPAD WOW
 
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I can see the copying, how dare they have icons on their homescreens.
How come all of this? Yet not a single word over Apple's blatant copying of Androids Notification Service, or WP7s Twitter integration, or Blackberry Messenger?

Apple thought that going after Apple would be counter productive. But its possible that Apple could sue it self in the future because of os x lion stealing their idea... ;) which do look a lot like iOS :D

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Has anyone used a HP TOUCHPAD well its the hottest selling device on the planet right now number one on Amazon thanks to its lowest price cant find one around would Apple look to sue HP also you think i love my TOUCHPAD i love my IPAD i swing between both competition is good .APpple has copied from alot of companies remember they didnt invent the pc or the cellphone APple must not forget what happened to them the last time what goes around comes around sometimes harder. LOVE MY TOUCHPAD WOW

Yes right after they put Android on it. That all I have been seen online, great hardware for 100 dollars and runs Android fast. :rolleyes: ROFLMAO
 
You missed the point entirely. It's not the individual elements, it's the whole combination.

What whole combination? None of those elements were ripp offs so how the entire combination is a rip off?

Regarding the pages of apps, the Galaxy Tab does have it, what's vanilla Honeycomb got to do with it?

No, Galaxy Tab 10.1 doesn't have page of apps. And vanilla Honeycomb has to do with it because Galaxy Tab 10.1 has had plain vanilla Honeycomb until the optional Touchwiz update, that doesn't have page of apps neither.

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And most of your posts are ragging on other posters here, as I also stated.

Backpedaling? Now is not hating Apple but "ragging" other posters?
 
Well, I don't think that Apple's success came from innovation at all.

This is my suggestion of checklist for a successful Apple-killer:

- Turn user experience the most different from status quo;
- Have a famous CEO, let's say, Arnold Schwarzenegger would be a good choice;
- Give some copies of your product or service to market professionals, journalists and influent people;
- Charge premium prices for it;

Done, now you have big chances to beat Apple.

Bolded the important part.

It is much, much easier said than done. In fact, it is the most difficult element to pull off successfully, and requires a deep philosophical view of tech )and how tech and people relate) that is already in place well before this Apple-killer product is even in the planning stages.

And we're not talking about the "most different from status quo", but something that "just works" and delights at the same time. Like iOS. A study in simplicity, elegance, and effectiveness. That's a rare combination. But one that is also made possible by controlling the whole widget. If you don't have that, if you're licensing out your OS or if you're the licensee, then just forget it. It's game over before you're even out of the gate. Any Apple-killer requires vertical integration, and the kind of vertical integration that is superior to Apple's.

This requires some fundamental shifts in thinking at places like HP and Dell. This doesn't happen overnight. It requires an Apple-like culture. Good luck trying to get that to germinate at places that are the most un-Apple like as you can find.

In that famous video thatI'm sure we've all seen, Steve Jobs talked about putting "culture" into products. Who the hell else even thinks that way? Who the hell else even views their role in the tech business as an expression that is as much of art as it is science? Who else tries to build culture into their products? Yes, it sounds nebulous, but when you see what Apple is doing, when you see what they've done under Jobs even in the early years, it is something that is easily understood - immediately recognized (even if you can't easily articulate it verbally), but very, very difficult to imitate successfully.

MS, HP, Dell . . . all these folks, lack the culture necessary to pull off Apple-like achievements.
 
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...that doesn't have page of apps neither.

Doesn't it? I thought it did, maybe I'm getting it mixed up with another one. What's that one in the Apple lawsuit images? The one where the whole package looks like an iPad.
 
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>Secondly, they are trying to show that because of the iPad,
>these so called design features came into the tablet world which
>were never there before.
>[overall rectangular shape with a dominant display screen,

Computer screens have been more or less rectangular since the 70s and it's quite obvious that one would try to make it as dominant as possible in such a device.

>narrow borders, a predominately flat front surface,
See above, it's just common sense to make it so once it became technology possible

>a flat back surface and a thin form factor]

Black, white or green no sense in making such a device thicker than needed.

The iPad is a clear example of form-follows-function which mean Apple should never been awarded that design-patent in the 1st place.

If we were talking about the design of the MacPro (or even more the plastic G3/4 Powermacs) I would be clearly be on Apple's side. Also if it was the MacMini or the iMac copied in detail but on this case it clearly Apple missuseing legal BS to keep the competition down. Real 1990s MS-style.

In the long run this could seriously backfire when the general public stops associating "Apple" with "cool" & "think different" and comes up with "schoolyard bully" instead.
 
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