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Yeah... funny, I think the same thing when I see Dell's 15" XPS or Lenovo's X1 Extreme selling for over 2K packed with a GTX 1650 4gb... obscene right? :rolleyes:

you never buy Lenovo without a discount, slugger. My Thinkpad X1 Extreme(Gen 2) with some Intel Crap i7 processor, 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, 1650 4 GB, and 500 nits screen only costed me $1400, lol.
 
Do any of the cases that are sold on amazon fit the 16 inches MacBook Pro? I got the ESR one in the mail yesterday and when Put it on I noticed it did not fit well on the bottom and the top case was not snapping on, it is already returned. When is Tech 21 or In-case or Spigen coming out with their own version? But I do have to say the Uppercase Keyboard Cover fits Excellent and has no issues.
Anyone reading this thread could be forgiven for thinking they should be giving their 16” MacBook away to charity. I played many games on my Mid-2015 15” with 370x, and many games on older laptops before that (like the 17” MBP). People always have and always will play games on their Macs, even those with iGPUs; including (but not necessarily) fast-paced 3D games.

My 2015 MacBook Pro could play GTA V successfully enough on Medium to High settings (from memory I think even some Very Highs and Ultras were enabled). Sure it wasn’t a stable 60 FPS, but I could get 30-50 or so, which was playable. I also played Cities Skylines—a game where FPS isn’t critical and other factors affected frame rates—well enough.

The 5500m is supposedly up to 3x faster than what I last had in that last MacBook from 2015. And while the older GPUs were kind of disappointing, I was still very happy overall with the machine. If I was happy enough then, I think I‘ll be happy enough playing games with these new graphics, in a slimmer and lighter overall package.

I can’t see how the 5500m is “very, very, very, weak” or “fecal matter” (as @faust puts it) in a laptop of this type without making numerous other sacrifices. That’s just a tad melodramatic. People say 50% of the experience is audio as well, and on that this laptop is supposed to be in a league of its own. I agree the prices Apple was charging for the 2016-19 15” MBPs (with their ****** keyboards) and the graphics upgrades were obscene, which is why I ignored them.

Now, while I sit and ponder specifications, the delivery estimate keeps slipping!
Ignore that. I ordered one on the 29th that said delivery would be the 16th. I picked it up on the 6th. The wait isn't as bad anymore.

yeah mine is coming today (apparently) and it was due next week. going to try that streaming gaming first I think as I already have an egpu.
 
Personally, I've been extremely happy with the performance of the 5500M on the 16". After installing the drivers from BootCampDrivers I've been getting quite acceptable frame rates even on fairly recent releases like Gears 5 (as long as the resolution stays around 1440p). I'm also not experiencing considerable throttling, at least nowhere close to the previous models.

Other than that, I don't know what people expect from a fairly compact laptop.
 
"I don't know what people expect from a fairly compact laptop."

They expect, 120 fps on every possible game at native resolution, to be quiet when doing so, to be cold to the touch, under 40C it would be ideal for them, and why not, 20 hours of continue gaming on battery
 
"I don't know what people expect from a fairly compact laptop."

They expect, 120 fps on every possible game at native resolution, to be quiet when doing so, to be cold to the touch, under 40C it would be ideal for them, and why not, 20 hours of continue gaming on battery
It would be also good if it would come free of charge, and with Tesla Model 3 as a bonus.

Oh, and french fries to all of that.
 
So can the new MBP 16” with the upgraded 8GB video card run World of Warcraft at 4k and high settings and maintain 60 FPS reliably?
 
Yeah... funny, I think the same thing when I see Dell's 15" XPS or Lenovo's X1 Extreme selling for over 2K packed with a GTX 1650 4gb... obscene right? :rolleyes:
Actually its pretty easy to find discounts on the Thinkpads, 20 to 30% is not unheard of. I picked up a Thinkpad X1E last year for $2,286 including a 3 year extended warranty. It has the 4k touchscreen, 32GB of ram, 1TB of storage and GTX 1050Ti. A similar configuration for the MBP would have run me in the 4k range. - that's the obscene part ;)
 
Actually its pretty easy to find discounts on the Thinkpads, 20 to 30% is not unheard of. I picked up a Thinkpad X1E last year for $2,286 including a 3 year extended warranty. It has the 4k touchscreen, 32GB of ram, 1TB of storage and GTX 1050Ti. A similar configuration for the MBP would have run me in the 4k range. - that's the obscene part ;)
won't the macbook pro have better resale value after a few years?
 
won't the macbook pro have better resale value after a few years?
I doubt very much the 2016 - 2019 (non-16") will. That butterfly keyboard will drag down its residual value.

Besides, I don't buy my laptops for future resale, but to use them now.

Let me just add a thought on the resale value. Now I can only compare what I have against the then current MBP. So when I opted to buy the X1E, I paid 2286, and a comparable MBP would cost about 4,000. Do you think a few years from now comparing apples to apples that you'd recoup the near 2,000 dollar price difference? I'm coming out ahead if I sell my Thinkpad, and buying another PC for a fraction of what the MBP goes for.
 
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Hey guys, I have the 16inch MacBook in the highest configuration (2,4 GHz i9 CPU, Radeon Pro 5500 8GB GPU, 64 GB Ram) and have also problems with bootcamp - no matter if I use the original Apple drivers or the newest (today release!) "Blue Enterprise" drivers from bootcampdrivers.com: a few minutes after launching a game (like Battlefield 5 or Company of Heroes 2) the framerate drops from 60 to maybe 20 frames. After a second it goes back to 60, than again down to 20 and so one - unplayable!

I know it is a driver problem with the heat management of the cpu and gpu. I had the same problem with my 2018 15inch MacBook the first few months - than Apple released new drivers and the problem was gone. But if you have any suggestions how I can deal with it until this happens, I would love to hear them! :)
 
Hey guys, I have the 16inch MacBook in the highest configuration (2,4 GHz i9 CPU, Radeon Pro 5500 8GB GPU, 64 GB Ram) and have also problems with bootcamp - no matter if I use the original Apple drivers or the newest (today release!) "Blue Enterprise" drivers from bootcampdrivers.com: a few minutes after launching a game (like Battlefield 5 or Company of Heroes 2) the framerate drops from 60 to maybe 20 frames. After a second it goes back to 60, than again down to 20 and so one - unplayable!

I know it is a driver problem with the heat management of the cpu and gpu. I had the same problem with my 2018 15inch MacBook the first few months - than Apple released new drivers and the problem was gone. But if you have any suggestions how I can deal with it until this happens, I would love to hear them! :)

I have the 2.3 I9, 5500 4GB version (had a better specced one; returned because of issues it had and decided I didn't need the upgrades anyway)... and don't have issues.

I'm actually using the drivers listed today, but the red edition (never tried blue). I haven't had any serious time to play around since installing those, but I did play Call of Duty: Modern Warfare for 30m and Tomb Raider on benchmark and both were fine, maybe a bit more stable than the 2020 drivers. COD I have v-sync on and ultra settings, stays at 60FPS, and Tomb Raider I have almost all ultra and it stays around 60FPS as well. Things seem to run cooler with the newer driver and as mentioned, more stable; don't really hit any stuttering.

The only "special" thing I guess is I have mac fans control running with custom setup (both fans pinned to to CPU PECI since those seemed most likely to max out heat-wise) with fans kicking in at 40C and maxing out at 70C. Otherwise I just have the adrenalin drivers with these settings:

1) Radeon Anti-Lag, Chill, Boost off
2) Image sharpening on, 50%
3) Radeon Enhanced sync on
4) Texture filtering quality to performance

Everything else is default.

Make sure when you install the driver you do use DDU to uninstall the drivers in safe mode and reboot. If you skip DDU with radeon drivers you can get some strange results; with nvidia DDU can be skipped with no issues, doesn't seem like it can with AMD stuff.

I have a gaming desktop, but honestly almost everything I currently play works on the MP16 with good enough settings that I haven't had that much need to turn on the desktop.
 
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Hey guys, I have the 16inch MacBook in the highest configuration (2,4 GHz i9 CPU, Radeon Pro 5500 8GB GPU, 64 GB Ram) and have also problems with bootcamp - no matter if I use the original Apple drivers or the newest (today release!) "Blue Enterprise" drivers from bootcampdrivers.com: a few minutes after launching a game (like Battlefield 5 or Company of Heroes 2) the framerate drops from 60 to maybe 20 frames. After a second it goes back to 60, than again down to 20 and so one - unplayable!

I know it is a driver problem with the heat management of the cpu and gpu. I had the same problem with my 2018 15inch MacBook the first few months - than Apple released new drivers and the problem was gone. But if you have any suggestions how I can deal with it until this happens, I would love to hear them! :)

Try the red ones as spybyscript said. Maybe try other Open GL triple buffer settings. That helped me a lot.
 
Many thanks for the quick answers! I tried the newest red bootcampdrivers and the settings spybyscript suggested, but no difference :( The only thing I didn't tried was to control the fans. What program I need for that?

And Sp0rck, where can I change the Open GL triple buffer settings?
 
The upgrade to the 8GB 5500M instead of 4GB seems to be pretty much useless for gaming, right?
 
I haven't try gaming with the internal 5500M of my 16" base model, but I've tried while on bootcamp with a 1080ti on a razer core X, to a 1440P 144hz monitor, and it rocks.
Waiting for a radeon VII to come next week, because I want to play on macos to, especially Total Warhammer 2 which is a game that I play...a lot:)
 
I run Diablo 3 and Borderlands 2 both at 1080p max settings and hit 55-60 fps on the base i7 / 5300M
 
The upgrade to the 8GB 5500M instead of 4GB seems to be pretty much useless for gaming, right?

No... there are a lot of gaming cards out there with even higher memory buffers. The question is what kind of games are you playing? It'll take some high end AAA titles or high resolution to require that.
 
In terms of game performance the added GPU VRAM helps with both texture size, texture quality (anti-aliasing levels and as well as individual texture resolution), level of detail distance (texture draw-in) and overall resolution.

At 1080P there's usually a negligible difference between 4GB and 8GB. Some games like Shadow of Mordor will request higher than 4GB of texture RAM at 1080P, but most games won't (as of now). If you want to game at the 16" Macbook's Native Res of 3072 x 1920, the added VRAM will help. The MBP-16's resolution is closer to 4096 x 2160 (4K) than it is to 1920 x 1080 (Full HD).

As we move up to those higher resolutions the added VRAM could mean the difference between Medium and High settings in games. Or being able to run at native res vs dropping to a lesser res. Generally framerates aren't dependent on VRAM but if the VRAM fills up and needs to swap, the 4GB choke point could certainly hammer framerates. Which is why you'd drop to Medium/Low settings.

It's all pretty dynamic and depends on multiple factors, but if you're at all interested in gaming going forward the 8GB upgrade for $100 is pretty good. If all you're doing is playing WoW, maybe it's not worth it.


Agree with this, but you also need to factor the additional heat that the additional 4gb of VRAM will add to the package. As of now, throttling due to heat soak of the gpu/cpu combination is the biggest detriment to framerate in many games. This is not unique to the mpb btw, all thin and light mid-tier laptops are riding that thermal envelope right to the edge.
 
Don't see strong reasons for updating to 8GB for gaming. 1920x1200 more than enough for 16-inch screen. And memory won't be a bottleneck in the majority of cases.

For example, even the base model with 5300m and i7 can run GTA5 in native res in high settings.

 
No... there are a lot of gaming cards out there with even higher memory buffers. The question is what kind of games are you playing? It'll take some high end AAA titles or high resolution to require that.

sure, but they have a higher performance and are for higher resolutions which require more memory
 
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