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big said:
Yeah, everyone complains about EU's gas prices, but what is your commute? Here in the States, you have to figure the average is 30-40 mins to work, one way. then to the store, add another 10-15 mins, then to a gas station, another 10 mins. We spend a lot of time in our cars, and no one has health insurance provided for by the Government.

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Ummm keep in mind that there is a lot of people that don't have cars at all and simply bike to work or take the public transit system.

And the 30-40 minute commute may be real but that simply from poorly designed cities. *shrugs*

I don't think you are going to find a whole heck of a lot of sympathy on this thread. There are alternatives to driving a car back and forth if one looks hard enough.
 
SiliconAddict said:
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Ummm keep in mind that there is a lot of people that don't have cars at all and simply bike to work or take the public transit system.

And the 30-40 minute commute may be real but that simply from poorly designed cities. *shrugs*

I don't think you are going to find a whole heck of a lot of sympathy on this thread. There are alternatives to driving a car back and forth if one looks hard enough.

I don't think you can blame city designs. Most of them were substantially complete prior to the introduction, or at least the popular acceptance, of the automobile.

Second, people here, voluntarily or involuntarily, change jobs more often than they change homes - on the average. They cannot mandate where the office/factory will be, nor do they typically have a local choice. So, even if they are lucky enough to be able to move close to their original job, they cannot guarantee being close to their next one - and it is non-trivial and often financially impossible for many of these people to move.

Most Americans have cars or access to their family's cars. The only places where that's not the case are in the major cities, and, even there, most people have cars. There's actually a pretty small minority of people in most areas who bike to work or take public transportation - again, outside of major metropolitan areas. And, even those people who work in large cites and commute there via public transportation often live in suburbs and drive when they're not at work.

If you live 20 miles from work - or much less than that in areas with winter weather - and if the public transportation system doesn't go by your home (typical for vast majority, area-wise, of the States) then you drive, and you have no other option except to find a new job or find a new home, and most people can't really do those options.
 
jsw said:
I don't think you can blame city designs. Most of them were substantially complete prior to the introduction, or at least the popular acceptance, of the automobile.

Second, people here, voluntarily or involuntarily, change jobs more often than they change homes - on the average. They cannot mandate where the office/factory will be, nor do they typically have a local choice. So, even if they are lucky enough to be able to move close to their original job, they cannot guarantee being close to their next one - and it is non-trivial and often financially impossible for many of these people to move.

Most Americans have cars or access to their family's cars. The only places where that's not the case are in the major cities, and, even there, most people have cars. There's actually a pretty small minority of people in most areas who bike to work or take public transportation - again, outside of major metropolitan areas. And, even those people who work in large cites and commute there via public transportation often live in suburbs and drive when they're not at work.

If you live 20 miles from work - or much less than that in areas with winter weather - and if the public transportation system doesn't go by your home (typical for vast majority, area-wise, of the States) then you drive, and you have no other option except to find a new job or find a new home, and most people can't really do those options.


US = $1.70
UK = $6.70

No sympathy here, and I suffer from the same location/commute conditions above. So why am I paying 5 bucks more again?
 
jsw said:
I don't think you can blame city designs. Most of them were substantially complete prior to the introduction, or at least the popular acceptance, of the automobile.

i agree on the rest of your post but i don't think this holds true.
rome/paris had traffic problems 2000 years ago (when obviously no cars existed)
america was the first country where popular acceptance of the automobile was created
i guess it really depends on the infrastructure/attitude towards public transportations
 
Here in NW Ohio its $1.83/gallon. it a good thing that a friend gave me a heads up on the price jump. I filled up two hours before they changed the prices at the BP station near me, i filled my car when prices were at $1.63/gallon.
 
takao said:
i agree on the rest of your post but i don't think this holds true.
rome/paris had traffic problems 2000 years ago (when obviously no cars existed)
america was the first country where popular acceptance of the automobile was created
i guess it really depends on the infrastructure/attitude towards public transportations

Good point. I blame a lot of the traffic issues here on poor suburb planning. They almost all were developed (or massively enlarged) post-auto, and instead of planning on centralizing common places (grocery stores, post offices, etc.) they ended up building many square miles of homes with no easy access to places without a car - they were actually built so that you needed a car. No good public transportation plans, etc.

Again, good point.
 
Savage Henry said:
US = $1.70
UK = $6.70

No sympathy here, and I suffer from the same location/commute conditions above. So why am I paying 5 bucks more again?

Access to better beer?
Quick access to the rest of Europe?

I don't know. Move here. Much cheaper gas. But... guns, flat American accents, self-centered & self-righteous general population... maybe it's not so bad that you pay more for gas. There are other benefits of living where you do. Not the food, in particular, but other things. :)
 
Sweet Jesus! 6.70 a gallon! How much of that is tax? Here in Alabama it is about $1.59 right now, and .37 cent per gallon is tax.

I think it would be time to overthrow the government if gas was that much. Wow, unreal. Prius, where are you now?
 
>Ummm keep in mind that there is a lot of people that don't have cars at all and simply bike to work or take the public transit system.

Luck bastards, you can not do that in H'ville

>I think it would be time to overthrow the government if gas was that much. Wow, unreal. Prius, where are you now?

Yeah, we're lucky here price wise... but it's comin', what do you think happened with all that tea?
 
MatMistake said:
thats nothing, in the uk petrol (as we like to call it :p) is around 80 pence a litre ($1.50 roughly) or around £3.60 ($6.70) a gallon

though I have a feeling that a gallon in the UK is diffent from in the US...
(and I got my figures off the 'net, I don't drive so I'm not really up to speed on this. seems about right though)

1 UK Gal = 4.5 litre
1 US Gal = 3.8 liter
(go figure why they're different, kinda like litre/liter :p )

So that's more like $5.70/Gal. Still pretty darn expensive! :eek: :eek:

-Backtothemac
I can't speak for the UK, but here in France about 90% of the price is tax. There an interior tax on petroleum products (TIPP) and we pay VAT (purchase tax) on gas + TIPP. So in effect we are paying taxes on tax :( :mad: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

But we get good wine...
 
SiliconAddict said:
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Ummm keep in mind that there is a lot of people that don't have cars at all and simply bike to work or take the public transit system.

I don't think you are going to find a whole heck of a lot of sympathy on this thread. There are alternatives to driving a car back and forth if one looks hard enough.

My wife is a visiting nurse and so is dependent on her car. It's her office and has to go the patients homes. Because of Boston traffic she spends a lot of time on the road. She is usually lucky and purchases her gas on either Sunday or Wednesday. At a local Shell you get six cents off if you purchase then, that saves some.

It is just human nature that on things of money sympathy usually doesn't follow.
 
WHen I moved from San Diego in '89 to the east coast I went from 1.50 to under a dollar a gallon. I thought that was great... but it sucks to not be in SD.

I moved back after a couple years and never really noticed as the gas prices went up. Since them I have moved to Florida, and while Gas is about 35% cheaper. It still sucks to not live in Cali, but I go where my work is. I just drive a car that gets 30mpg. :)
 
voicegy said:
A disturbing and tacky trend:

"With record-high gas prices, more people are speeding away from the pump without paying for fill-ups that can cost as much as $40 a tank."

I'm sorry, I don't care how desperate things might be... I would NEVER fill up my car and take off without paying...geesh, this is so tasteless.:mad:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040327/ap_on_bi_ge/gas_prices_thefts_2

what? how is that possible? the pumps dont even turn on until you pay the atendant or swipe your credit card :confused: Are you talking about full service? When i get full service around here they ask me how much gas i want and i pay after they pump. Do they just peel out when the guy finishes pumping?
 
MrMacman said:
Its hurting here in NYC...


They are high... way to high.

:(

Yeah, what are they asking, like $1.999? Its ridiculous. Oy vay. My dad has a Chevy Suburban that gets about 30 Gallons a tank (I believe the biggest tank in production), so to fill it up it costs sometimes upwards of $60, depending on which gas station its purchased at.
 
big said:
... and no one has health insurance provided for by the Government.

And as should be obvious from all these posts of the price difference between the US and EU, no one there has health insurance provided by the government, either. It is provided by their neighbors, partially through outrageous fuel taxes, partially through outrageous income taxes and through innumerable other VAT, import, and ad infinitum taxes.

People here squall about wanting "government provided healthcare" all the time. The government here will provide your healthcare the same way the governments there do: higher fuel taxes, higher income taxes, higher property taxes, and most likely some new taxes they have not yet thought of.

So, your "government provided healthcare" will be provided by the same fine folks who provide all of your other government services: you and your neighbors. Of course, they will have to skim a few percent off the top to cover the administrative expenses, but hey, its worth to have the government paying.... LOL

And after this conversion is in place we can have the same "wait in line for up to 6 months" health care system here in the US that is so endearing to those unfortunate souls living with that system in other countries where "health care is provided by the government".

I'm not out to offend anyone. Just remember there is no "government funded" anything in this world.
 
vwcruisn said:
what? how is that possible? the pumps dont even turn on until you pay the atendant or swipe your credit card :confused:

Regional thang. In Massachusetts it's pretty common to have pump-then-pay self service islands, at least in low crime areas. At one station I frequent, the pumps closest to the building work that way, but the ones closer to the street that they can't see as well from the window are pay first.
 
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