I agree. I mean everything is up to the persons own free bidding, right? haha. One day I hope to try an SSD, there just isn't enough space on them yet for me to use without spending a ***ton of money
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*Gasp* I'm downgrading from SSD back to HDD.
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I agree. I mean everything is up to the persons own free bidding, right? haha. One day I hope to try an SSD, there just isn't enough space on them yet for me to use without spending a ***ton of money
Yep. 13" MBA SSD. The difference between both was still tangible to me. 96GB is also too small to house my files and i can't really do optibay cause i use the optical drive quite frequently as well.
you can find 240 gb sata IIs for good prices as well. Much cheaper than sata III drives. and i cant see how the difference was tangible. What 1 second on cold boots? lol IMHO it's not worth the extra $$$. 4k read/writes are similar, which matter the most for every day use unless your just sitting there all day with sequential writes.
I have a Vertex 2 in my Mac Pro and I can update the firmware by using a Linux Live CD along with the Linux firmware updater. The procedure is really easy.
why doesnt anyone here want their computer to be fast? i aint talking about boot, who boots anyway? but app opening, its like on the iphone, to buy a computer that costs a couple of thousands of dollars and then wait half a min for it to load photoshop, hell even iphoto and itunes, seconds arent important, user experience is what matters. how many times have you heard that android is no good cause it lags, its the same thing with computers, the goal is to make everything instant, just like iphone, wouldnt you agree?
The speed increase is really overrated. I tested out the MBA with SSD/Flash vs the MBP and iMac. The iMac even won in some loading tests. The MBP (2010) version was able to keep up with loading times of the MBA with SSD/Flash.
For all this hype surrounding the MBA and the Flash/SSD, I expected to be blown away in speed, I wasn't.
If price goes down alot for the 512 gb of SSD, i might be interested. But that will take 5 years or something. I can't work with 240 gb of storage space.
Didn't work for me...not helped by the fact that few distros (only found one) support 2011 MBP hardware.
yeah im gonna call bs on this. cold boots are 15 seconds roughly on a mba while cold boots is 30 seconds on a mbp. if thats not fast idk what is. and ssd's can load all the programs instantly at boot while the mbp and imac can't. BTW yeah the imac will win in some load tests b.c of the faster processor.
If your gonna compare compare the same computers. MBP 13" vs. MBP 13"; etc.
btw in a general consensus that the speed of a ssd even basic ssds are much faster than any hdd. And thats not just on a mac forum. Ask anyone who knows computers on any forum.
and who cares about the price! you can go get boot drive for CHEAP. I paid $70 for a vertex 2 60 gb. I use an optibay and have all the space i need + all OS & apps on my ssd. Same thing on my gaming rig, i have a bigger ssd (games take too much space) and than a HDD for all my media; etc.
$70 is def. worth the speed upgrade compared to a $100 8 gb ram upgrade that most people won't be able to tell the difference.
I'd return the drive too. I have a 2011 15" MBP + Vertex 3 and am getting regular freezes. Here is what I posted in the OCZ forums:
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?89061-Vertex-3-120GB-2011-15-quot-Macbook-Pro.-Occasional-Freezing
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?89061-Vertex-3-120GB-2011-15-quot-Macbook-Pro.-Occasional-Freezing
I think you are making the right decision if you are not completely satisfied with your SSD and if certain things about it do not sit well with you. After all, you will enjoy your machine more if it is customized to your liking, in my opinion.
At least you can say that you tried and it and you know it's not for you - that's good knowledge and the process certainly wasn't a waste. Good luck to you.
At least you can say that you tried and it and you know it's not for you - that's good knowledge and the process certainly wasn't a waste. Good luck to you.
So I just got a 2011 15" MBP from my company with the standard HDD.
To be quite honest with you, the thing is great.
However, that same week, I mentioned something about the anti-glare screens. My company told me that if I wanted a specific setup, to give them the specs and they'll order it for me. So I did - I went with another 15" vs. 17" because I personally think the 17" is too big. I maxed out the RAM and opted for the SSD.
After I ran Migration Assistant and had all of my old files on my newer-new one, I only had 40GB left of SSD space. This kind of made me sad because I was so used to working with more capacity. I'm starting to adjust though and am not feeling so bad about the decision. In fact, this thing screams and I love every second of it.
Me and a couple of my colleagues have talked about doing the Optical Drive swap for another HDD/SSD. So, if you're into hacking your systems, that is always an option. Use the SSD for system/boot and a secondary HDD for everything else.
To be quite honest with you, the thing is great.
However, that same week, I mentioned something about the anti-glare screens. My company told me that if I wanted a specific setup, to give them the specs and they'll order it for me. So I did - I went with another 15" vs. 17" because I personally think the 17" is too big. I maxed out the RAM and opted for the SSD.
After I ran Migration Assistant and had all of my old files on my newer-new one, I only had 40GB left of SSD space. This kind of made me sad because I was so used to working with more capacity. I'm starting to adjust though and am not feeling so bad about the decision. In fact, this thing screams and I love every second of it.
Me and a couple of my colleagues have talked about doing the Optical Drive swap for another HDD/SSD. So, if you're into hacking your systems, that is always an option. Use the SSD for system/boot and a secondary HDD for everything else.
It's not bs. Go in an Apple store and test it out. Launch Apps like Garageband and you find the speed increase isn't that shocking.
Believe it or not, the iMac won a couple of times in the Apple store.
So what?
How much time are you truly saving in day/week/month/year?
On your job, how much do you make in one hour?
How many hours must you work in order to pay for say a 512 MB SSD? I mean even 512 is probably the smallest drive one could live with and not have to butcher up their MBP to put in a HDD in the optical bay.
Before your SSD has saved you enough money ( remember Time=Money ) to make it economically viable there will be something new you will want to replace it with.
Solid State Drives are NOT NEW .... they've been around for quite a long time ( relatively speaking ) and they have the same problem today that they had back then ....... too costly!!!!
Will I ever buy an SSD? Yeah, I could see myself buying one. When they make 1 TB SSD and get it down to a $300 price point. But they by that time a 5 TB, 10,000 RPM HDD will be selling for $50.
It's all about ROI, my computers are tools used for generating income, I don't even have a single game installed on any of them. So I look at it from a financial standpoint.
SSD's just are not worth the investment ..... at this time.
At the end of the day, you and your SSD will have one thing I do not have, and that would be ......
Bragging Rights!
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Sadly your experience with SSD is because of your lack of technical experience with computers in general it seems.
If you bothered to do any research at all you will find that TRIM is not needed on any sandforce drive and that updating firmware can be done on Windows Bootcamp pretty easily.
Not to mention that firmware updates are not that important IF your drive is working perfect, in fact OCZ say not to update a problem free firmware.
Going back to HDD is like going back to horse and cart.
How is it i have 3 OCZ drives all problem free and but you seem to think your SSD is less reliable than a Crappy hitachi HDD
If you are that worried why not get the Vertex 2 SSD which is blinding fast and uses 1x nand
I have been following this thread and I just don't get all the insulting comments and hostility directed your way. You seem to have laid out logical reasons for your decision IMO. The comments go beyond just politely disagreeing for some reason. Maybe people that DID buy SSDs just can't stand someone who is not of the same mind.
I bought a Intel 510 SSD for my 2011 13" MBP and it works perfectly, but my MBP is a second machine and not used for important work. If it were my primary machine, I'm with you, I would not risk the problems with a SSD in their current state.
Snide remarks aside... you cannot deny that the number of testimonials contradicting your reasoning from your original post, leave a lot of us wondering what you are thinking. I say again, it's the money.
You don't see the value of the performance gain for the cost - that's fine, and you are in some very strong company. But, to engender other "issues" as your cause just isn't believable.
It's not bs. Go in an Apple store and test it out. Launch Apps like Garageband and you find the speed increase isn't that shocking.
That doesn't count. Most programs are already in memory or cache, as people open just about everything, so you get about the same load time since you're waiting on the RAM, not the HDD/SSD.
So what?
How much time are you truly saving in day/week/month/year?
On your job, how much do you make in one hour?
How many hours must you work in order to pay for say a 512 MB SSD? I mean even 512 is probably the smallest drive one could live with and not have to butcher up their MBP to put in a HDD in the optical bay.
Before your SSD has saved you enough money ( remember Time=Money ) to make it economically viable there will be something new you will want to replace it with.
Solid State Drives are NOT NEW .... they've been around for quite a long time ( relatively speaking ) and they have the same problem today that they had back then ....... too costly!!!!
Will I ever buy an SSD? Yeah, I could see myself buying one. When they make 1 TB SSD and get it down to a $300 price point. But they by that time a 5 TB, 10,000 RPM HDD will be selling for $50.
It's all about ROI, my computers are tools used for generating income, I don't even have a single game installed on any of them. So I look at it from a financial standpoint.
SSD's just are not worth the investment ..... at this time.
At the end of the day, you and your SSD will have one thing I do not have, and that would be ......
Bragging Rights!
By your calculations then you should have gone with a PC since they are much cheaper and just as well specced and often better specced than a Macbook Pro.
I had strange problems with my SSD that made me downgrade too. Mostly things locking up for 1 or 2 seconds at a time. Maybe I suck at installing stuff :/
You probably didnt turn off the HDD features when you installed your SSD,
motion sensor and power saving can cause the issue you had.
2 simple CMD line prompts and you would have been fine.
Sadly OSX is the problem and not the SSD, Steve jobs is just an Ass who thinks the world revolves around apples refresh cycles.
SSD have been around long enough now for Apple to implement them properly in OSX.
If i had forked out serious money for a Mac Pro and couldnt use 3rd party SSD as standard id of kicked down their front door by now
I have (well technically had, I gave it to my father-in-law) a 2009 MBP 13" w/ a Sandforce 1200 120GB SSD that has been going strong now for a year and a half and I have never updated the firmware and have never enabled Trim (although yes I did reinstall everything when I gave him my MBP). Frankly, the opinions that SSD's aren't reliable have been debunked so many times, it shouldn't be worth mentioning. In a portable device, that can be easily dropped/banged/etc is it really less reliable than a spinning drive?!?!
It if isn't worth it to you, it isn't worth it to you. If you are trying to justify returning the drive because you feel that the amount of money spent can be used for other things than return it. An SSD is isn't a necessity, it's a luxury item (although so is an MBP), but just about every review site (that is worth it's salt) states that an SSD is the #1 best upgrade you can do for your computer to increase it's overall speed. Heck I threw an older 128GB SSD into my wife's 2.2Ghz Dual Core "Pentium" from HP (we only paid like $400 for it a 1.5 years ago) and it is amazing how much snappier it feels today.
Oh and again as far as reliability, Apple has included a wonderful utility called Time Machine that should be used whether you use SSD's or HD.
It if isn't worth it to you, it isn't worth it to you. If you are trying to justify returning the drive because you feel that the amount of money spent can be used for other things than return it. An SSD is isn't a necessity, it's a luxury item (although so is an MBP), but just about every review site (that is worth it's salt) states that an SSD is the #1 best upgrade you can do for your computer to increase it's overall speed. Heck I threw an older 128GB SSD into my wife's 2.2Ghz Dual Core "Pentium" from HP (we only paid like $400 for it a 1.5 years ago) and it is amazing how much snappier it feels today.
Oh and again as far as reliability, Apple has included a wonderful utility called Time Machine that should be used whether you use SSD's or HD.