Yes! This was very welcome news, and amazingly, quite a surprise! It has me looking towards the future again, instead of wondering if I'll have to leave the Mac at some point.
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Geekbench Shows 2018 MacBook Pro Has Biggest Yearly Performance Gain Since 2011
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Yes! This was very welcome news, and amazingly, quite a surprise! It has me looking towards the future again, instead of wondering if I'll have to leave the Mac at some point.
Well apparently market research wants everything thinner; so there you go. Like I said, Apple isn't perfect. No manufacture is. All we can hope for is improvements. Apple will never ever admit fault; that is bad PR.
Yeah, I think there's a product gap. I'd put myself in the category of the pro that really wants the extra power, but after experiencing thin, I've found that I'm actually quite fond of the portability I have with the thinner and lighter tbMBP. I can live with the limitations, but going down to a MB is going to be too far of a drop so I don't want Apple to make the MBP line a full weighted laptop again. It'd be nice if you could order a MBP with a choice of chasis: one that's balanced between concerns like the current and one that's the IDGAF model.
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Substituting market research with “Joni’s wicked preferences” will make me compromise and agree with you.
Depends on your use. I use Cubase or Logic. Neither of which even need a dedicated graphics card.
The inclusion of a quad core in the 13” now makes it a viable portable workstation, while the 6 Core 15” now makes it a kickass studio workstation that can beat my quad core i7 iMac on plugin count.
Add in 4 ports with massive data transfer and these machines are great for audiowork.
The inclusion of a quad core in the 13” now makes it a viable portable workstation, while the 6 Core 15” now makes it a kickass studio workstation that can beat my quad core i7 iMac on plugin count.
Add in 4 ports with massive data transfer and these machines are great for audiowork.
I totally agree. For macbook and macbook air i can understand capping at 8gb or 16gb, but when you talk about pro machines, then it should be able to be configured what current tech can possibly support. Even 32Gb i think might not be enough for some of the pros.
Why? The touchbar helps with cooling performance somehow?
Ofc not, but if they use 28-watt on the non touchbar mode, they would be basically the same computer excluding the touchbar. Sure, it would be a nice option, but they would not do it.
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No, it is not. It has different iGPU. If they use 8th gen CPU without Iris, CPU performance would be higher but GPU performance would be lower. So they chose to keep 7th gen for the non touchbar and this way they also make the touchbar more appealing as it was basically pointless for many users in 2016 & 2017 to go for the touchbar model due to the very negliceable performance difference.
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I agree, CPU performance gap with the 2017 would be quite appealing to many users and those who need higher graphics power needs could go for the touchbar models.
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I've been testing the throttling on my Macbook Pro 15'' 2016 all weekend, by looking at Intel Power Gadget and doing various CPU intensive tasks. I was trying to decide if going for the higher CPU tier on the 2018 version would offer any performance improvements in real world apps or it would just be throttled down.
What I found.. well, it's not that great. My CPU is 2.7GHz, Turbo Boost to 3.6. In practice it never reaches that 3.6, best I got was 3.2. That's only if you stress a single core though, plus the dirty secret - in order to reach 3.2 on that core it drops the frequency on all the other cores.
If you go 100% load and stress all cores equally, it goes to 100 degrees Celsius really fast. It cannot maintain even the nominal 2.7GHz speed on all cores. Instead it goes down to 1.6GHz and a temp of around 80º C.
And it doesn't even have to be for an extended period of time. Just opening up Chrome with let's say 20 tabs, nothing too crazy, and let's say a video in one of them, would make it go to 100º C almost instantly and then it would correct itself by dropping the frequency all the way down.
It's not a surprise really... I mean, have you seen the cooling system for these things? It looks like this
So unless they've substantially improved the cooling system in the 2018 15 inch models, going for the higher tier is probably a waste of money. I mean, it will be slightly faster just due to the bigger 12MB level 3 cache, but I'm not sure how much of an impact that would make. All I know is: 4.8 Turbo? no freakin way
Curious; is yours space grey or silver? I have a space grey one, and it's showing a lot of wear and tear from normal use—and I do baby it. Super disappointing. I noticed yesterday that I can now see a permanent deterioration in colour on the bottom panel that matches the padded interior of my booq bag (which is not a cheap laptop bag). That's "damage" caused literally by carrying it with me... like.... a laptop. So incredibly ridiculous. As much as I love the look of the space grey, I'm unlikely to buy one again. My silver 2012 looked better after 4 years than my 2016 looks after 18 months.
Hmmm, that's awful that you're experiencing that. I have a space grey one too.
I wonder if the finish had problems in some batches or if other environmental conditions can cause it to deteriorate. Are people reporting the same issues with the finish with the 2017's? Space grey on a MBP body were a new thing when the 2016's came out.
When I said I don't baby my tools, I hope I didn't give the impression that I treat it like a table saw. I actually do treat my stuff nicely. I'm just not super careful and won't go out of my way to make sure nothing harmful ever touches it.
Had Apple come out on top in such comparisons, you can be certain they'd be shouting about it from the rooftops (and every other communications channel available to their billion dollar plus advertising budget).
That will most likely be in October and it will be the 13" MacBook. I sincerely think Apple means to kill off the nTB 13" MacBook Pro, MacBook Air and 12" MacBook after they introduce the 13" MacBook.Waiting for 13" without touch bar
Also, Intel has not announced suitable CPU replacements for the 13" nTB MacBook Pro yet. Meaning, there are no 15w TDP U-Series 8th Gen CPUs with Iris Plus Graphics currently listed in Intel's ARK. If Intel does announce a 15w TDP CPU with Iris Plus between now and October, I would bet dollars to doughnuts that it will go into the 13" MacBook.
Yes and no. The multi-core improvements have an exclamation mark after them. The single core scoes are nice, but not much more than another bump. Also keep in mind that the 2018's scores reflect them having more cores than their 2017 counterparts.
Price. I am being priced out of the Apple eco-system. It's not that I can't afford the prices, it's that I don't want to PAY the prices. If you noticed none of the lower end products like the Mac Mini or the MacBook Air are getting any support or hardware updates. The lower cost iPhones look like phones from generations past. It's all about $1000 phones and "Pro" computers. For my needs spending a premium is not practical just so my device says "Apple" or "Pro". Not to mention I don't need the "Pro" moniker for what I use a computer for which is to create spreadsheets, word documents, edit PDF's, photos, web research, or combine video clips.
If the rumors are true that Apple is coming out with a lower cost laptop or desktop, than I'm in and all this is moot.
Have you considered a refurbished MacBook? They're $1099 and would cover your needs and then some. That's just $100 more than the starting price of a new MBA.
I have bought refurbished in the past. For me it's been hit and miss. Sometimes you get a good one sometimes not.
That's not the typical experience of other people who've bought refurbished around here. I myself have picked up plenty of refurbished Apple computers and none of them seemed to be any different from a new version aside from the box it arrived in.
Do a search in the forums. Good results are really common.
3 times faster? Looks like we are both exagerating are we?
Also 560X is faster than 560, not much but it is
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That's odd. Perhaps you didn't buy Apple Refurbished? They come with a one-year warranty just like new products. And they've been inspected and certified by Apple. For a cautious and frugal person (raises hand) they're great: you save money and you get a like-new (or better than) product.
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"Before we put an Apple Certified Refurbished product up for sale, it undergoes a rigorous refurbishment process to make sure it’s up to Apple’s high standards. We back it with our standard one-year limited warranty. And you have the option of purchasing AppleCare products to extend your coverage further."
"Each Apple Certified Refurbished Product:
- undergoes full functionality testing and any defective modules identified in testing are replaced.
- Apple Watch and Apple Pencil devices that require replacement parts are not included in the Apple Certified Refurbished Program.
- is put through a thorough cleaning process and inspection.
- is repackaged (including appropriate manuals, cables, new boxes).
- includes either the Operating System originally shipped with the unit or, in some cases, a more recent version.
- is placed into a Final QA inspection prior to being added to sellable refurbished stock."