GeForce 8700M GT in Macbook Pro?

spawn135

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Do you think Apple will put a GeForce 8700M GT in their next Macbook Pro?

They are using GeForce 8600M GT...which is a good card, but apparently 8700 renders graphics better than XBox 360, and that's saying a lot!

I really want to play the next generation HD games and want to buy a Macbook Pro when they are ready.
 

Imbalance

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Hmm its really simple. Just buy one now, they are very quick. And if it gets updated? Well just get the new one if you really need it. Seems silly speculating over such a small increase.
 

henhowc

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I may be wrong here but isn't the 8700m GT simply an overclocked 8600m GT? I don't think the performance differential would be that pronounced if thats true.
 

jdechko

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Considering the original MBP had a Radeon 1600 in it (2/06) and kept it in there for 14 months, I doubt you'll see a new card in the MBP for at least another year. Remember that the PB had a Radeon 9600 in it for a long time as well.
 

weckart

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What would be the point? :confused: The 8600 is already underclocked as it is in the 15" MBP.
 

Eidorian

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I may be wrong here but isn't the 8700m GT simply an overclocked 8600m GT? I don't think the performance differential would be that pronounced if thats true.
Moving to a slightly slower card with a bigger memory bus and more shaders would more then likely yield better results then just more clock speed.
 

JACKN

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There is also the physical limits on the mbp, since it's only 1 inch thick. As other saying 8600m GT already under clocked, which means heat is a problem in these extreme thin designs. 8700s are pressumed to be even hotter, since base on the same builting technology as 8600s. I just got my Mbp for 5 days, now running 'Company of Hereos' on full everything seems fine and smooth. Average about 18-19fps on speed test. It held on OK to my 22" samsung monitor with 1680*1050 res, resulted 15-17fps. The machine crashed a couple times in about 18 hours of play, this show is not the card's capability problem, it's the HEAT. I would say that the mbp is hard to fit a hotter card in without modify the base design. I don't see the reason :apple: will change the design. It's still the sexies, lightest and thinnest (for 15 and 17inches) extreme high end hardware equiped notebook around. Their performance are similar to those called "gaming notebook" like G1s and G2s from Asus, but G1s and G2s are about 1-1.5kg heavier than MBPs. I think you should get it now, it's only been 52 days after a major update. :D
 

spawn135

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Considering the original MBP had a Radeon 1600 in it (2/06) and kept it in there for 14 months, I doubt you'll see a new card in the MBP for at least another year. Remember that the PB had a Radeon 9600 in it for a long time as well.
Seeing that Apple is finally wanting to get gamers to buy Macs with EA's announcement at WWDC back in June, I just figured Apple may want to up their graphics card to compete with PCs.

The 8700m GT seems like an AMAZING notebook card.
Nvidia claims that it renders graphics better than XBOX 360!

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/best-graphics-to-go/new-nvidia-8700m-gt-rendering-looks-better-than-xbox-360-268357.php

I really want to play HD games on a notebook. It'll be so good to have a MBP that plays games better than an XBOX 360.
 

spawn135

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There is also the physical limits on the mbp, since it's only 1 inch thick. As other saying 8600m GT already under clocked, which means heat is a problem in these extreme thin designs. 8700s are pressumed to be even hotter, since base on the same builting technology as 8600s. I just got my Mbp for 5 days, now running 'Company of Hereos' on full everything seems fine and smooth. Average about 18-19fps on speed test. It held on OK to my 22" samsung monitor with 1680*1050 res, resulted 15-17fps. The machine crashed a couple times in about 18 hours of play, this show is not the card's capability problem, it's the HEAT. I would say that the mbp is hard to fit a hotter card in without modify the base design. I don't see the reason :apple: will change the design. It's still the sexies, lightest and thinnest (for 15 and 17inches) extreme high end hardware equiped notebook around. Their performance are similar to those called "gaming notebook" like G1s and G2s from Asus, but G1s and G2s are about 1-1.5kg heavier than MBPs. I think you should get it now, it's only been 52 days after a major update. :D
From what everybody has said, heat seems to be the big problem. But will the current 8600m GT play HD games? I want to be able to play Resident Evil 5 when it comes out.

When Penryn comes out, won't that cut some heat problem? I read that a smaller/shrunken chip design = less heat.

For a notebook, does the majority of the heat come from the graphics card?
 

weckart

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Whatever comes out in terms of CPU, GPU etc, one constraint remains constant. Apple is all about design, and you pay for design in performance.

As far as the 15" series is concerned, the 8600 is underclocked, the x1600 was underclocked and the 9700 in the last PB was underclocked. If you want to unlock the full potential, then fork out extra for the 17" as it has more room for heat dissipation and you get a few extra fps for that.

The CPU gets hot, the GPU gets hotter under load, the memory bars get hot. Pretty much everything cooks under pressure.

You want to game? Build a whitebox PC with your dream components. It will probably cost a fair bit less than an MBP and will slaughter it in performance terms.
 

JACKN

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From what everybody has said, heat seems to be the big problem. But will the current 8600m GT play HD games? I want to be able to play Resident Evil 5 when it comes out.

When Penryn comes out, won't that cut some heat problem? I read that a smaller/shrunken chip design = less heat.

For a notebook, does the majority of the heat come from the graphics card?
As far as what I know graphis card is the heat decisive factor in MBPs not CPU.
 

JACKN

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Jul 9, 2007
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From what everybody has said, heat seems to be the big problem. But will the current 8600m GT play HD games? I want to be able to play Resident Evil 5 when it comes out.

When Penryn comes out, won't that cut some heat problem? I read that a smaller/shrunken chip design = less heat.

For a notebook, does the majority of the heat come from the graphics card?
If you running the current graphic card on old CD MBP with 2gb ram, I think it will work, result just 2-3fps less. Yes, smaller/shrunken chip design = less heat, but manufacturers will push for a higher clock speed. As far as what I know graphis card is the heat decisive factor in MBPs not CPU.
 

JACKN

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Whatever comes out in terms of CPU, GPU etc, one constraint remains constant. Apple is all about design, and you pay for design in performance.

As far as the 15" series is concerned, the 8600 is underclocked, the x1600 was underclocked and the 9700 in the last PB was underclocked. If you want to unlock the full potential, then fork out extra for the 17" as it has more room for heat dissipation and you get a few extra fps for that.

The CPU gets hot, the GPU gets hotter under load, the memory bars get hot. Pretty much everything cooks under pressure.

You want to game? Build a whitebox PC with your dream components. It will probably cost a fair bit less than an MBP and will slaughter it in performance terms.
Agree, but what about portability and game at the same time? Still need a good Notebook man.
 

Eidorian

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Seeing that Apple is finally wanting to get gamers to buy Macs with EA's announcement at WWDC back in June, I just figured Apple may want to up their graphics card to compete with PCs.

The 8700m GT seems like an AMAZING notebook card.
Nvidia claims that it renders graphics better than XBOX 360!

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/best-graphics-to-go/new-nvidia-8700m-gt-rendering-looks-better-than-xbox-360-268357.php

I really want to play HD games on a notebook. It'll be so good to have a MBP that plays games better than an XBOX 360.
If it's really that much faster then the 7900GS, I hope it's in the iMac.
 

spawn135

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Jun 12, 2007
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Whatever comes out in terms of CPU, GPU etc, one constraint remains constant. Apple is all about design, and you pay for design in performance.

As far as the 15" series is concerned, the 8600 is underclocked, the x1600 was underclocked and the 9700 in the last PB was underclocked. If you want to unlock the full potential, then fork out extra for the 17" as it has more room for heat dissipation and you get a few extra fps for that.

The CPU gets hot, the GPU gets hotter under load, the memory bars get hot. Pretty much everything cooks under pressure.

You want to game? Build a whitebox PC with your dream components. It will probably cost a fair bit less than an MBP and will slaughter it in performance terms.
Well, I use Adobe CS a lot for work and prefer Mac OS, so that's why I want to get a Macbook Pro instead of a PC.

For home use, I will be watching DVDs, editing videos, playing graphics-intensive games......basically just maxing out the use of my Mac. That's why I really want it to be a "work notebook" as much as a "play notebook".
 

spawn135

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If it's really that much faster then the 7900GS, I hope it's in the iMac.
I hope so too.
Does anyone know how much 8700m GT costs? I couldn't find the price.

I wonder if the cost of 8700m GT is reasonable enough for Apple to put it in their new iMac.
 

iW00t

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Do you think Apple will put a GeForce 8700M GT in their next Macbook Pro?

They are using GeForce 8600M GT...which is a good card, but apparently 8700 renders graphics better than XBox 360, and that's saying a lot!

I really want to play the next generation HD games and want to buy a Macbook Pro when they are ready.
Are people never happy?

If you want to play the next generation of games, then... buy the next generation of computers.

Even better answer, buy a PC. There are no games worth playing on a Mac anyway. Leave the Mac for serious work and play games on a PC where they are all first released and available for less.

The cost of incrementally upgrading your MacBook Pro far outstrips the price of the best gaming PC anyway. And if you just "have to game on the road" then perhaps you should reassess your life.

Makes no sense to game on a MacBook Pro since at full power it runs barely 1:15 anyway.
 

thagomizer

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The 8700m GT seems like an AMAZING notebook card.
Nvidia claims that it renders graphics better than XBOX 360!

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/best-graphics-to-go/new-nvidia-8700m-gt-rendering-looks-better-than-xbox-360-268357.php

I really want to play HD games on a notebook. It'll be so good to have a MBP that plays games better than an XBOX 360.
Better, or faster? If you're just concerned about getting the same 'look' of the rendered scenery, it doesn't matter which one you have. The 8600M GT and 8700M GT are identical in terms of rendering quality. The 8700M GT is, however, a little faster (by about 20%). It's the same chip as the 8600M GT just clocked a little higher.

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