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A little thread for fans of GRRM's magnificent tale set in the world of Westeros. Here's the place to discuss plot, characters and ideas, or any new developments (like the upcoming HBO dramatisation).

Have at it, Ser! ;)
 
OK, I'll bite...

* Anyone want to take a bet on when "Dance with Dragons" (coming Fall 2006!) will really be released?

* Favorite characters: Arya Stark, Jon Snow, Danerys Targaryen

* Who knows more about the HBO thing? I think HBO or one of its subsidiaries got the rights to Honor Harrington as well...
 
My bet on DWD - sometime in late 2008, judging by GRRM's last post on the subject on his website.

Favourite characters: Jaime Lannister, Tyrion Lannister and Brandon Stark - they're much less two dimensional than some, and have great potential to develop. I wonder if these choices say anything about my ability to relate to real people? Lol!

There is mention of Ice and Fire on IMDB, and GRRM is on board apparently. It needs Pro membership of the site to get any more info than that though. Any bets on who might play who?
 
Let me say that Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire is by far and away my favorite fantasy work since I first read Tolkien's Lord of the Rings when I was much younger. It is the only series that comes close to the Old Master's level of work. I say that even though ASoIaF is unfinished. My hope is Martin tops himself in the next three books - seven are planned - but I also realize it is possible he could let us all down. Regardless, I'm waiting in anticipation of the next book, A Dance of Dragons, which I expect to be out next year. I also understand there is a third story in the Dunk and Egg series (two novellas so far,) a work set in the same world but in a earlier time period than ASoIaF, that should be out shortly there after.

As to the HBO series, I understand the first draft of a script has been produced. Martin talks about it in an interview he did with Publisher's Weekly.

PWCW: Speaking of Hollywood, how is the Song of Ice and Fire HBO show progressing?

GRRM: The writers on that have just completed the first draft of the script, so we’re waiting to hear what HBO thinks of it. It’s very early in the process, so there’s no telling. There’ll be rewrites, and there’ll be changes. It may not get the green light and actually be filmed. All of that is part of the process of developing something for television, which is slow, but we’re at the beginning of the road in any case.



Once again, you get a little nervous that it doesn’t get messed up. Television has a checkered record. Something like the Dune miniseries that was on the Sci-Fi Channel was a wonderful adaptation. They really did a beautiful, beautiful job with Dune.

But then again, the same people did Ursula Le Guin’s Earthsea, and it was terrible. Ursula had to write letters disowning it—they just messed it up totally. They changed things, moved things around and made it really dumb. So you never know what’s going to come out. But if something of the quality level of the Dune adaptation comes out, that would be wonderful.

And once again, as with comics, I’ve got great people involved. The screenwriters are David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, and I’ve had several meetings with them. They really know the books, they love the books, they’re determined to do a faithful adaptation, and they’re both terrific writers in their own right. Both of them are also novelists and short story writers, so I’ve sampled some of their own prose work, which was first-rate. So I think I’m in good hands.

About the story itself, I'm hesitant to say too much for fear of spoiling a wonderful experience for those who haven't read Martin's series yet. If you have read the entire four books already released, then there are a couple of websites I can recommend - Westeros and the Tower of the Hand. DON'T GO TO EITHER SITE IF YOU HAVEN'T READ ALL OF THE BOOKS!!! The spoilers are everywhere.
 
Yeah, I can voucher for the awesomeness of ASoIaF. It's my second favorite fantasy series of all time (so far that is. I've not read A Feast for Crows yet, it's coming out in paperback next month).

(Yeah, second. Thomas Covenant is first. I stand ready to welcome any flames!)
 
A Storm of Swords--Plot Point

Can someone help me clear up a plot point from A Clash of Kings?:confused:
When Catelyn Tully is questioning Jaime Lannister in the dungeon of Riverrun (pp. 789-799), Jaime says the following in response to Catelyn's doubting that he (Jaime) slew Aerys Targaryen to avenge Brandon Stark (p. 798):

"I made no such claim. The Starks were nothing to me. I will say, I think it passing odd that I am loved by one for a kindness I never did, and reviled by so many for my finest act."

Who exactly is the "one" Jaime is referring to? And, what exactly is the "kindness" he is talking about? I am fairly certain that the "finest act" refers to his slaying of the King (Targaryen), but I'd appreciate confirmation of that as well.

Thanks a bunch!!
:)
 
Can someone help me clear up a plot point from A Clash of Kings?:confused:
When Catelyn Tully is questioning Jaime Lannister in the dungeon of Riverrun (pp. 789-799), Jaime says the following in response to Catelyn's doubting that he (Jaime) slew Aerys Targaryen to avenge Brandon Stark (p. 798):

"I made no such claim. The Starks were nothing to me. I will say, I think it passing odd that I am loved by one for a kindness I never did, and reviled by so many for my finest act."

Who exactly is the "one" Jaime is referring to? And, what exactly is the "kindness" he is talking about? I am fairly certain that the "finest act" refers to his slaying of the King (Targaryen), but I'd appreciate confirmation of that as well.

Thanks a bunch!!
:)


First, have you read all the books? If you haven't don't read the spoiler in white below.

The "one" is his brother Tyrion and the "kindness" is what Tyrion believes he did to bring Tysha and Tyrion together. You're right about his "finest act."
 
Refresh my memory, who is Tysha?

(If it's revealed in Feast of the Crows, which I haven't read yet, then nevermind)

Do me a favor and edit your quote of my post so the white text doesn't show in the grey quote box, ok?

Tysha is Tyrion's wife whom he married at thirteen. Her story is told in the first book as Tyrion sits at a campfire with Bronn. Any more I'm hesitant to say.
 
Thanks!

Thanks for clearing that up:)--it makes perfect sense now. Tysha (or at least the memory of her) is Tyrion's link to Jaime--the only member of his family he really values. He destests his father(Tywin), and only has a grudging respect for Cersei as an adversary--to the extent he can use her to advance his own agenda at King's Landing. Brilliant of GRRM to suggest that familial bonds (Jaime--Tyrion) are held together by only the very slenderest of threads: the memory of 13-year old common girl/prostitute. I detect in Jaime a lifelong lingering guilt over the whole Tysha incident--he clearly feels for Tyrion.
 
Love these books and glad to find this thread.

The September 2008 is an estimate that has been places like Amazon.com for about two months or so. GRRM has stated that when the book is finished, right after his publishers and his special lady friend know, he'll post about it here:

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/if-update.html

Anything short of a date there, according to him, is an estimate.

But I'm anxious and so looking forward, if for no other reason than the majority of my favorite characters weren't present in A Feast for Crows.
 
Reminds me of my old thread....


About time the damn book came out....


i mean, he wrote Crows and Dragons as one book....so it's been done for years! ya ya, he went back and changed a bunch of stuff....but I still don't get why it takes this long....i forget 90% of it now...reading all the above posts it starts to come back..but it's been soooo long since Crows.

BTW George RR is the best thing going.....and I may sound bitter but I'll be giggling like a five year old when Dragons comes out.

Truly the best book series right now...
 
As this is closely related to the thread's topic - anyone tried out the Game Of Thrones boardgame? It plays alot like Risk, but with a twist due to special action tokens that somewhat limit your (and your opponents') actions, introducing much more strategic elements.
 
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