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How many ways can you design a 10.1/9.7 tablet?

How are customers confused about a SAMSUNG PRODUCT without an APPLE vs a APPLE PRODUCT with an Apple(pictures) and the Words APPLE?

Why isnt apple going after the other numerous tablet makers with similar designs?

Ipad is square, Galaxy tab is rectangle. Galaxy tab has ZERO home buttons, Ipad has one. Minimalistic? Galazy tab is minimalist than the iPad.

Galaxy tab runs ANDROID OS. Ipad runs IOS. The difference is astounding.:rolleyes:
 
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I know many here is hating on this "minimalistic design" wording in the ruling, but I feel that it's the whole reason the iPhone/iPad have been so dominating. Look, every tablet that was marketed before the iPad was complex, some had swiveling screens to convert from laptop to tablet, they all used styluses, most had tons of buttons, some had handles, etc.

I think what's more interesting about the "prior art" from Kubrick and even star trek is these movies/shows were intending to make futuristic devices that seemed desirable but were straight forward. Somehow, in the months leading up to the release of the iPad, every competitor stood around, some even openly admitted they were purposefully delaying production because everyone wanted to see what apple would bring to the table.

When apple released it, many if not most people in the tech-sphere bemoaned that it was too simple, just an oversized iPod touch with comically sized bezels. People said it would fail because it was too simple, and some joked that it wasn't actually really bigger than an iPhone cuz it was all bezel.

Now, a couple years later, everyone is trying to say that this simple design is obvious and that everyone had obviously thought of it before. Well, that may be true, we can't read minds in the past, but apple was the only one with the balls to release such a simple device, I think it's fair to say they deserve to reap the benefits of their bold move.

No. All tablets before the ipad were not "complex" (are you talking design here, or software?), they were not all hybrids (but many were, and to this day still are), most used styluses (thank god), but some relied on finger-based touch as well (either primary or secondary mode of operation). Not all had tons of buttons (while some certainly had, for one reason or the other). Those with handles, well, to this date some still do (because it makes sense ergonomically in certain contexts, and offers protection to the often costly device)

As for your second paragraph, not everyone did. The crunchpad, predating the ipad (afaik), had the very same minimalist design that the ipad ended up having (even more so, i think, cause i dont think it had any bezel buttons). Many may have waited in anticipation, i do however think they were waiting more to see "what it would be", rather than "how it would look". (I could of course be wrong)

Third paragraph: Yes, many still think its an oversized iphone, pretty much because it - in many aspects - is (perhaps one is better off thinking of the iphone as a small ipad though). When it came to simple, it was rarely - as i understood it - related to its design, but rather its functionality (i.e., choice of "iOS" over "OS x" so to speak).

Fourth paragraph: You are confusing things here, as the prior comments were rarely - if ever - about Apples choice of design; why would anyone really argue against that?

As for thought of it before, well - first, we have the crunchpad/joojoo, but even more important, we have an entire history of tablets utilizing the same form-factor (while, quite naturally, of course being varied and sensitive to overall design trends of the time). In essence, the main distinctive feature is edge-to-edge glass. That may have been a somewhat recent addition to the tablet design language per se, but it can hardly be seen as such given the overall design trend of consumer electronics at large (look e.g. at the trend in large displays etc., youll find more than one glass-paneled tv out there, predating the ipad).

If anything, which may or may not hold true, Apple - as i see it - can claim some originality in that they pushed a "dumbed down" tablet (wording is bad, but its understandable). Then again, we had seen similar approaches to that too (basically any non-windows/linux tablet ever reaching the market - successful or not).

Dont get me wrong here. Apple did great, obviously. But i still disagree with the basic notion that one can protect the "base line" in design. In my book, to achieve any form of protection you should do something distinct - which minimalism, per definition, can never be.

p.s. Apple were not the only one who had the balls to release a simplified pad (e.g. crunchpad). They were, however, to date the most successful one.
 
The German court upheld the validity of Apple's EU Design Registration. The Dutch court essentially rejected it. What does this mean?

One law, one registration, two countries -and very different results. Part of the result has to do with an historical/cultural/legal legacy in Germany of giving rights holders greater emphasis. This dates back to Medieval Craft Guilds. But its still a strange hangover in modern "single-economy" Europe. Then again you can legally buy marijuana in a coffee shop in Amsterdam - you can't in Hamburg.

For all practical purposes it means Apple has won. It will keep the Galaxy out of Europe's biggest single market for at least a year - by which time both Apple and probably Samsung will have introduced their next generation devices. It probably has tarred Samsung with the stigma of being a "copycat."

But more importantly, Apple has fired a shot across Samsung's bow. They've sent a very clear message that they are prepared to fight, very hard, to protect their designs. But its also important to recognize that this will force Samsung itself to innovate. Samsung's designers and engineers will have to work a little bit harder to come up with their own unique design. And who is to say that they can't improve on the iPad? Come up with a form factor that looks better, that works better for users?

Samsung isn't going to go away. They seem determined to be a player in the media tablet space, and they will continue to have a good business as an Apple supplier of display panels and other components. But if they want to succede in gaining a significant fraction of the tablet market, they are going to have to do so by being "better" than the iPad - not just copying it.
 
Is not a patent and yes, Community Design awarding in Europe is a mess. They get awarded without checking nothing

http://www.osnews.com/story/25056/The_Community_Design_and_you_Thought_the_USPTO_Was_Bad

Actually, Samsung has some Community Designs that are as hilarious as the one from Apple.

Tomorrow if someone makes an exact copy of an iMac, what do you think Apple is gonna do?

I think these designs need to be respected. Apple's design may sound a bit generic as being spread out all over, but its a pretty complex 40-page document describing the looks and the functionality of the design.

Well, the judge is not an idiot for sure. He must have been very careful cause this is something very serious if a whole category of products is banned.

EDIT: 2-page document...

40 page claim against Galaxy Tab.
 
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The problem with minimalistic designs is there's so little scope for differentiating one's own design.

I still can't fathom how Samsung's design can be deemed a copy of the iPad, without the iPad also being deemed a copy of Samsung's own digital picture frame. Even if you argue it's not a tablet, it still is an original, prior design by Samsung.
Samsung photo frames have always look like this.
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Why couldn't they use their photo frame against Apple.
 
Patent trolling my foot. These products are blatant rip-offs of great design by Apple. On the one hand it's quite a compliment to have ALL of your products replicated. On the other hand it's infringement, plain and simple. The exactness to which Samsung copied Apple on this, not only in their hardware, but in examples I've seen of their software as well, made me sick to my stomach when I watched some of their keynotes. Heck, even the presentations are similar!

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STAGE looks like Apple.
PRODUCT looks like Apple.
PEOPLE look and sound like Apple.

Samsung should be ashamed of their lack of effort and originality.

Well maybe Apple can pay off the patent office once again and be granted a patent on hand gestures during keynote speeches. I personally wouldn't put something this rediculious past them. We can call them iGestures and everytime an executive folds their hands on stage they have to pay Apple $10,000.
 
The problem with minimalistic designs is there's so little scope for differentiating one's own design.

I still can't fathom how Samsung's design can be deemed a copy of the iPad, without the iPad also being deemed a copy of Samsung's own digital picture frame. Even if you argue it's not a tablet, it still is an original, prior design by Samsung.

The photoframe is from 2006, the Apple Community Design registration is from 2004. Samsung won against that claim in Dutch court thanks to the HP/Compaq TC1100 providing prior art.
 
What are you trying to imply? I don't understand your post at all.

My point is: we have two conflicting court rulings on virtually the same case, under the same law. To just look at one of these rulings, and base something out of that is somewhat ignorant. I.e., the troll-factor of apple can not be decided on this one ruling alone, or something like that :- )

Hope i made myself more clear. Guess i may have misinterpreted your point to begin with. If so, my bad.
 
The photoframe is from 2006, the Apple Community Design registration is from 2004. Samsung won against that claim in Dutch court thanks to the HP/Compaq TC1100 providing prior art.

What i dont get is how they failed to provide the prior arts dug up around here (and elsewhere), such as the Electrovaya, Tabletkiosk, pbj etc. Even if some designs do not pre-date the registration per se, they could still - as i see it - be used as examples of why this design is not "special", and worthy of protection.

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Samsung photo frames have always look like this.
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Why couldn't they use their photo frame against Apple.

Hadnt seen that one before. But yeah. Thats another though, start selling really advanced photoframes running Android o_o
 
What i dont get is how they failed to provide the prior arts dug up around here (and elsewhere), such as the Electrovaya, Tabletkiosk, pbj etc. Even if some designs do not pre-date the registration per se, they could still - as i see it - be used as examples of why this design is not "special", and worthy of protection.

They did provide a movie prop from the 60s, though.

Smooth move, huh?

And their lawyers actually got paid for that ****.
 
I think there are not too much possible designs for a useful tablet. The black/white/any-color margins are necessary for hardware casing, so a zero-margin tablet is not economically viable right now (without compromising the device's thickness). Also, 4:3 or 16:9 or 3:2 proportions are not what we can call "never-seen-before" form factors, so Apple doesn't own none of them.

Again, there have been dozens of different tablets posted in threads on these topics that don't infringe on Apple's design claims.

How many ways can you design a 10.1/9.7 tablet?

How are customers confused about a SAMSUNG PRODUCT without an APPLE vs a APPLE PRODUCT with an Apple(pictures) and the Words APPLE?

Why isnt apple going after the other numerous tablet makers with similar designs?

Ipad is square, Galaxy tab is rectangle. Galaxy tab has ZERO home buttons, Ipad has one. Minimalistic? Galazy tab is minimalist than the iPad.

Galaxy tab runs ANDROID OS. Ipad runs IOS. The difference is astounding.:rolleyes:

You should probably inform yourself of Apple's actual design claims. They would make more sense than the random points of comparison that you choose to emphasize.

Samsung photo frames have always look like this.
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Why couldn't they use their photo frame against Apple.

As I said, evidently, this evidence doesn't prove what you think it proves.
 
Well maybe Apple can pay off the patent office once again and be granted a patent on hand gestures during keynote speeches. I personally wouldn't put something this rediculious past them. We can call them iGestures and everytime an executive folds their hands on stage they have to pay Apple $10,000.

iGestures..lol. Creative. No lack of iWords these days. The point being that Apple is frequently emulated in the highest degree. In the line that Apple is drawing between honorable similarities and dishonorable ripoffs, the Galaxy Tab just didn't make the cut. And it is just too bad for all the whiners in this forum, that they can't do more about it then, well.... whine.

Go support Samsung and buy a Galaxy Tab. Just don't try to do it in Germany :)
 
Tomorrow if someone makes an exact copy of an iMac, what do you think Apple is gonna do?

I think these designs need to be respected. Apple's design may sound a bit generic as being spread out all over, but its a pretty complex 40-page document describing the looks and the functionality of the design.

Well, the judge is not an idiot for sure. He must have been very careful cause this is something very serious if a whole category of products is banned.

Difference is, the iMac actually has distinct design-elements to begin with. glass on a black bezel is not distinct, and has been commonly used in various consumer electronics, from photoframes to TV's. (even in phones, although perhaps not phones that relied on touch as the primary mode of interaction).

If someone were to replicate the imac, (design, not format) i would say: Go Apple! Similarly, if a someone else implemented samsungs "touch of color", i would say Go Sammy! Or if someone made some weird geometrical shape to make a distinct front on a TV, id say Go Distinct-company!

p.s. Judge was a she. And no, the design boils down to a generic drawing of a (quite thick) rectangular device with a bezel and edge-to-edge glass. Could easily be summarized in 1 page, really.
 
iGestures..lol. Creative. No lack of iWords these days. The point being that Apple is frequently emulated in the highest degree. In the line that Apple is drawing between honorable similarities and dishonorable ripoffs, the Galaxy Tab just didn't make the cut.

Maybe it's time we hear calls for Samsung and the other also-rans to step up their game, instead of more whining. You know, maybe ask why Samsung et al can't or don't want to (probably both) pull off a June 2007 or January 2010.

Or is only Apple capable of such significant and market-altering moves? seems to be in their DNA.

It could have been the HP CEO doing that "iPad" keynote. It could have been the Samsung CEO doing that "iPhone" keynote.

Well, actually no. It couldn't have. And we all know why.
 
They did provide a movie prop from the 60s, though.

Smooth move, huh?

And their lawyers actually got paid for that ****.

And someone said lawyers were awesome, based on the size of their pay-checks :- )

p.s. must be the first time i actually read something you've written without wanting to down-vote.
 
Irrelevant, the Community Design registration is for a tablet with no home button :

http://es.scribd.com/doc/61944044/Community-Design-000181607-0001

Well, damn...

No offense, but my 4 year old daughter wants to tell you about the definition of a square. :)

If you want to be literal, then you are correct. I was speaking of the general sense. 4:3 vs 16:9

Again, there have been dozens of different tablets posted in threads on these topics that don't infringe on Apple's design claims.



You should probably inform yourself of Apple's actual design claims. They would make more sense than the random points of comparison that you choose to emphasize.



As I said, evidently, this evidence doesn't prove what you think it proves.

I read WRX's link, so now all i can say is.. well damn lol
 
The German court upheld the validity of Apple's EU Design Registration. The Dutch court essentially rejected it. What does this mean?

One law, one registration, two countries -and very different results. Part of the result has to do with an historical/cultural/legal legacy in Germany of giving rights holders greater emphasis. This dates back to Medieval Craft Guilds. But its still a strange hangover in modern "single-economy" Europe. Then again you can legally buy marijuana in a coffee shop in Amsterdam - you can't in Hamburg.

For all practical purposes it means Apple has won. It will keep the Galaxy out of Europe's biggest single market for at least a year - by which time both Apple and probably Samsung will have introduced their next generation devices. It probably has tarred Samsung with the stigma of being a "copycat."

But more importantly, Apple has fired a shot across Samsung's bow. They've sent a very clear message that they are prepared to fight, very hard, to protect their designs. But its also important to recognize that this will force Samsung itself to innovate. Samsung's designers and engineers will have to work a little bit harder to come up with their own unique design. And who is to say that they can't improve on the iPad? Come up with a form factor that looks better, that works better for users?

Samsung isn't going to go away. They seem determined to be a player in the media tablet space, and they will continue to have a good business as an Apple supplier of display panels and other components. But if they want to succede in gaining a significant fraction of the tablet market, they are going to have to do so by being "better" than the iPad - not just copying it.

No, this will not force samsung to innovate. It will force them to use a non-minimalist design, a design that is unlikely to swing well with the overall trends in consumer electronics that we have today (a trend one is quite unlikely to change with a tablet, even if ones company name happens to be Apple). That said, Samsung: Revert to touch-of-color. It looks nice. It is distinct. problem solved.

samsung-blu-ray.jpg


i'd buy that.
 
Hm, so who owns the community design for TVs?

I would be surprised if anyone even thought of doing it. This case, as i understood it by media coverage, is quite unprecedented. Im a bit worried about the ramifications too. Could get quite ugly from here.
 
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