getting annoyed with the mp3 functionality of the iphone

Discussion in 'Jailbreaks and iOS Hacks' started by tackett, Nov 26, 2007.

  1. tackett macrumors newbie

    Nov 24, 2007
    #1 is my complaint. I wanted this phone for alot of reasons, but more than most, i liked the idea of putting music on my phone, and 8 gigs is alot of storage. SO, Im pissed. I spent all this time jailbreaking the phone, thanks to you fine people and some research, and I still CANNOT put mp3s on the phone without having nasty buttsex with itunes. I could go the rest of my life without ever having to see the itunes interface. All I want is a relatively simple way to place my mp3s on my phone, in a somewhat organized fashon, and play them back. I dont understand why i have to keep staring at this freaking itunes interface and screaming at my computer. (alot of spit is starting to build on the screen because of this.)

    So enough of the rant. Basically I have two questions..and they can be easily asked like this:

    1. Is there an easy way to upload some mp3s and video from my pc (not a mac) to the iphone, and vica verca, without having to deal with itunes?

    2. I want ringtones too, I know of this tutorial
    and I wonder if it is still applicable for us 1.1.2 jailbroken scumbags.

    WHY couldnt have apple just made this phone so connect it to your computer and BANG! it detects it as an external drive. You open the drive and BANG you see a bunch of folders, three of them named "Music", "ringtones", and "video". Then just drag and drop your files to and from them. Im so sick of people trying to get filty rich off of every single minute detail of our lives. Pretty soon they are going to start selling us cans of fresh air, like in "spaceballs."
    I like all of the features of my iphone, but if I cant easily exchange multimedia files between this freakin PITA phone and my PC...I may wind up getting something else.

    thanks. Sorry for the rant, im just POed right now.
  2. SRSound macrumors 6502

    Jun 7, 2005

    ...Because the iPhone was designed to make syncing, adding and removing content as seamless and straightforward as humanly possible. By using iTunes as a management tool, the majority of users who arent interested in navigating a windowsesque folder system dont ever have to think twice about where to put things and keeping things in order cause iTunes does it for them. I just keep saying it... if you're more interested in features and manipulation than user interface and experience, then the iPhone is not for you.

    By the way (and for what it's worth) the iPhone has THE best music player interface (ipod) i've EVER seen on a phone, hands down.
  3. Truth24 macrumors newbie

    Jul 14, 2007
    "By the way (and for what it's worth) the iPhone has THE best music player interface (ipod) i've EVER seen on a phone, hands down."

    Well then why can't I forward on to the next track without taking the iPhone out of my pocket, and turning it back on?

    Ipods have been doing this since gen 1.
  4. SRSound macrumors 6502

    Jun 7, 2005
    Did you try using the clicker on the iPhone headphones?
  5. stekerrod macrumors regular

    Nov 10, 2006
    Macclesfield/Salford England
    iPods/iPhone have been going through iTunes for years.....thats always (since about the 2G iPod i think) been the way to put music on them.....surely you knew this before buying an iPhone.....iTunes does the job very well and like a previous poster said it makes syncing very easy
  6. Truth24 macrumors newbie

    Jul 14, 2007
    "Did you try using the clicker on the iPhone headphones"

    Can't use them. They fall out of my ears every ten seconds or so.
  7. darngooddesign macrumors G3

    Jul 4, 2007
    Atlanta, GA
    Because none of the previous iPods have had full touchscreen. Don't like it, don't buy it.
  8. tackett thread starter macrumors newbie

    Nov 24, 2007
    ok ok. may have overstated things just a wee. I was very annoyed last night. Yes I knew I had to make love to Itunes before I bought the Iphone. Its not THAT bad, but it is still pretty terrible. I was hoping by jailbreaking the thing I could find a itunes work around but I guess not. And I have to disagree. I like the interface on my 1gig Iriver about 10 times better than the interface of the iphone ipod. THAT thing is straightforward. You hook the thing in the reads it as an external disk, and you place the songs on there in ANY manner you want...and actually have to organize your own data! You say the ipod interface is "straightforward" and I will agree with straightforward there is actually a name for it...LINEAR. So linear that it destroys a lot functionality. Making all of this proprietary software and giving users only 1 certain way to do a task is NOT the definition of good coding and software development. I know what you are going to say "hey dude, there are tons of ways to organize your tunes on the ipod." yes, there are about 10 different sorting functions on the ipod interface and all of them are useless to me. There is even a button that lets you see a big list song-by-song of what is on the drive....why the hell would I want to search through 6-7 gigs of tunes song by song? I just wait a good plain hierarchy of folders that you can navigate like this. "artist>album>song" Does the ipod functionality of the iphone do this???? well, yes, but in such a cumbersome and assbackwards way, that it makes it so clumsy to use. I know it sounds like I am complaining...and well...i am, but i am venting more so than complaining. I love my iphone, I really do. Best thing I ever bought and I wont be getting rid of it any time soon. I just wish the Mp3 functionality did not revolve around $$$$$$$$$. I mean I cant even figure out a way to put my album art that I already have on the phone without paying for them through Itunes.

  9. dombookpro macrumors member

    Oct 18, 2007
    sounds like u have no idea how to use your iPhone, or iTunes - Maybe a little more learning, and a little less bitching may be the way to proceed.

    A friend of mine is just like u, slagging off iTunes cos it can't do this, or that - Of course, whenever he says that, I point out exactly the way he can do what he achieves, and he goes quiet again. There's NOTHING wrong with how iTunes organises its content.
  10. calculus Guest


    Dec 12, 2005
    I really have no idea why you bought an iPhone ...
  11. drawstring macrumors member

    Oct 27, 2007
    i never read manuals. it's a vice, but whatever. and i am so glad you said this, because until today i've been using that button just for pausing and answering calls. now that i can double click and get the next track i'm even more horny for this phone.

    as for the whole itunes sucks i want to take care of everything myself issue; i'd say that's the biggest difference between macs and pcs and the entire apple experience. you CAN manage everything on your own on the iphone, just keep browsing but frankly itunes is the most powerful music management tool out there. indeed, when i worked in radio just a few sweet years ago we ditched no less than three other music management solutions and used itunes for periods of time with no DJs on the air.

    granted some of the organization takes getting used to, as it did for me, when i stopped managing music using windows tools; but once you play with it enough and know its ins and outs, itunes can't be beat. i don't love itunes, but it's got all the right stuff.

    basically, i hate grey, silver, and i think i would be a lot happier if i could skin itunes.

    edit: just searched, and there seem to be lots of ways to skin itunes. maybe i will try it.
  12. Consultant macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    YOU USE THE CLICKER on your headphone! DUH!
  13. Consultant macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    As countless DJs already said it, iTunes is the best music player in terms of search speed and organization. DJs know best. It's also the most popular music player app on both Mac and PC.

    People were doing folder sorting 10 years ago. Get with the times. iTune's smart Playlist does everything someone can do manually, except much faster.

    iPhone DOES LET YOU NEVIGATE "artist>album>song".

    Just because you don't know how to do something doesn't mean that it's not possible to do something.

    Besides, sounds like your music collection mainly contains illegal music that arn't tagged. You might want to buy your music before you get sued by the record companies. If you purchase music, when you encode your CDs, the music gets tagged automatically, if online legal music download, it comes tagged already.
  14. Truth24 macrumors newbie

    Jul 14, 2007
    Yes, but the earbuds are crap and they keep falling out of my petite little ears as I walk down the street. DUH!

    Am I the only one who doesn't like the HORRIBLE earbuds?
  15. hooly macrumors regular


    Nov 19, 2007
    No, IMO you are totally right, they are ****.

    Oh and BTW, iPhone also plays *music* !??? :D ;)
  16. abijnk macrumors 68040


    Oct 15, 2007
    Los Angeles, CA
    My earbuds kept falling out too, so I went and got cheap foam earbud covers and now they fit perfectly. Just an idea.
  17. SRSound macrumors 6502

    Jun 7, 2005
    I have to agree. A bunch of people have performed surgery on the iphone earbuds, cutting them off and replacing them with something much higher grade. I am about to do this with my Etymotics - unless a high end in-ear solution is released with iphone functionality built in...
  18. brinycbri macrumors 6502a

    Mar 13, 2007
    Help: I really hate water because its wet!!! Anyone please tell me how I can get water that isn't wet?
  19. brinycbri macrumors 6502a

    Mar 13, 2007
    as for the ear buds, go to youtube and look up iphone earbuds...there's a tutorial on how to use your own earbuds by soldering them great and a great walk through!

    yea the earbuds are HORRIBLE
  20. SRSound macrumors 6502

    Jun 7, 2005
  21. bainesajay macrumors member

    Jul 22, 2003
    Re:iPhone troubles

    Okay, here is are somethings you do not see (first poster)

    In your mind you think, why can I not just simply dump music and organise using folders, why use a program like iTunes?

    With windows explored or mac os finder if you simply organised music in folders you can do playlists. Think about it, even if you had sub folders, what if the same song appeared in different lists? or in different quantities?

    You would need many duplicates of the same song, it just would not work. This is why people started writing jukebox applications.

    You could argue, well i jsut like a big giant list, i dont liek to organise my music. IN order to sync chagnes at fast speeds, and not copy 8gb everytime you need a a database, eg a file that keeps track of how data is stored, this is done with an xml play list that ituens keeps, allowing you to make fast syncs. THis is not possible with yuor dump idea.

    The dump idea works for dinky $20 MP3 players, or the maybe the shuffle, but not for something like this.

    The itunes interface is not difficult, this is supported with its wide adoption and little complains in forums. Unfortunately the problem is within you, i suggest you take a deep breath and learn how to use the software.

  22. Dagless macrumors Core


    Jan 18, 2005
    Fighting to stay in the EU
    Haha, glad I'm not the only person laughing at this thread.

    I used to like the ol' drag and drop MP3 functionality of old MP3 players. Back in the 128mb days that was great.
    Oh, and you can just drag files across. Open iTunes, find the MP3 you want and just drag it onto the iPhone. NOT the library. I do this to put my brothers films on his iPod. Easy peasy, lemon...
  23. ntrigue macrumors 68040


    Jul 30, 2007
    Years ago I made a switch from WinAmp to iTunes. I haven't looked back after the mild learning curve of a few weeks.

    No one over 19 says 'nasty buttsex' in fact how about the phrase is just never used.
  24. tackett thread starter macrumors newbie

    Nov 24, 2007
    ok first off. DJ's know best when it comes to what is easier to me to navigate? Secondly I probably have more music than any freakin DJ out there. Thirdly, what is popular to the masses in terms of computers these days turns me away from using it. Mainly because computer apps are popular because most people, like apples target demographic, cant find there ass in the dark with both hands when it comes to ANY technical aspect about the computer. The masses WANT something that they cant screw up, because it seems like no one has any desire to learn anymore.

    Well, actually, its been alot longer than 10 years cheif. Yeah the whole smart playlist, or whatever its called, sure is great.....untill you get a new computer, reinstall itunes and have to resort it all over again instead of having it in some kind of structure in the hard disk. Its not faster at all, not in the least bit. I have over 40 GIGS of mp3's most of them I downloaded AGES ago whenever mp3s got started. Hell I was downloading tunes when they were only mpeg2 and wma encoded. Not to mention that I have a CD library that baffles your mind and I have ripped every single one of them, and guess what? I ripped a bunch of my cd's to WMA files eons ago back when...hell I dont even think CD burners were even being offered to the masses back then. Oh and guess what else....those CD's that I ripped, and reincoded...they dont have the fancy dancy new fangled tags that you are talking NO not EVERYTHING in my collection is illegal. Hell I would go so far as to say that 90 percent of it is legal. I downloaded songs whenever it wasnt illegal, and honestly havent downloaded any since. I have all this crap, all 40 gigs organized, neatly, in folders that goes like this "music>artist>album>song." I even have album art in there.

    So now thanks to itunes' gayness, I have to go through all 40 gigs of music (which is well over 20k+ songs mind you") and sort everything AGAIN so that I can sync only a few albums and that will take a month or so of working on it a few hours a day.

    Yeah it does, I never said it didnt. But, again, you have to go through all this rigamaroll of sorting all of your music into albums before you can do it....even though they are sorted already.

    again...never said it was impossible...I did however say that it is extraneous and a royal pain in the ass. and I stand by that.

    as I said. Its mostly LEGAL.

    Do you constantly live in fear of the po-po breaking into your home and arresting you for the probably 15 dozen laws that you have broken in the past month that you probably didnt even know you broke? Controlling your citizens through fear of persecution can also be called "uniformed, domestic, terrorism"

    OK. So all of my albums that I have that are pre1980's and were on GASP cassette tapes that i digitalized and encoded...or hell even pre1990 dated CD's are tagged are they? How about my records that I played and recorded onto ADAT and manually those have tags? NO.
    Sorry homeboy, CD's get tagged automatically didnt used to be that way. There are TONS of ways to put your LEGAL music library on a hard disk. It sounds to ME that you are not old enough to even REMEMBER a time when audio was in a media other than digital-optical or before the record companies were hypocritically suing people even though they were and still are, performing dry-hole raping with their CD prices. I can buy a freakin new release DVD for cheaper than I can buy a new release CD. And you tell me which one costs more to produce. Freakin BS.

    I dont know what you are talking about when it comes to multiple tracks. I dont have a single duplicate mp3 in my entire library. I suppose you are talking about people that rip a album from a band...then rip the greatest hits or something...i dont understand the need to do that. If you have all of the original songs...then why bother with the greatest hits? i suppose thats just me I see your point. You can just make a playlist or something to combat that, but then youll still run into the same problem that I mentioned above when you switch computers and reinstall whatever program you used to make the list.

    I would never DREAM of putting all of my tunes one folder without organization. Programs come and go, but HDD structure will ALWAYS be there. Even after the itunes fad wears out, and we all start making love to some other jukebox program. my music will be organized. It has survived, musicmatch, winamp (which i love still about 10 times better than itunes.) and about every other music playing software fad.

    I dont understand you differentiate? Elitism? why in the name of all that is holy, would it not, please explain. I used a standalone player that held about 10 times the capacity to run in my office one time...and the drag and drop method worked fine...and I wasnt in any forums bitching about that.

    Ok, DEEP BREATH. I agree with you. The problem does have a big part in my head only. But what I dont understand is why no one else but me seems to have a problem with apple trying to monopolize the way we organize our data? You tell me that I need to learn the software but part of me DOESNT WANT TO. Its sort of like a seatbelt law. I wore my seatbelt a HELL of a lot more BEFORE there were seat belt laws. Now I just dont wear the thing because someone is trying to make me do it. If you like Itunes.. GREAT, Im glad it works for you. BUT!!! (and this is where my problem lies.) I dont want to be TOLD or be REQUIRED to do something a certain way, when I know I should have to, for only the sole purpose of maximizing some douche bags potential bottom line. I think that is what is pissing me off the most about this. I dont like authority, I never have.

    I have sat down with the software and tried to figure out ways to do some things I want. But fact remains, and this will forever give me an intolerable itunes hatred: I STILL have to go through my ENTIRE collection of music through itunes and reorganize them. which is going to take FOREVER. So long in fact, that I may actually NEVER use the ipod part of the phone. I dont have the time to reorganize all of this stuff. period. WHO would?
  25. tackett thread starter macrumors newbie

    Nov 24, 2007

    im 43 buddy. and I assure you...prisoners do.

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