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Have you tried turning it on and off?

:D

That would be 'off and on' :p OK, so to the actual thread ... yes, there are an awful lot of threads about the Apple Watch. I personally find them a bit tedious and would rather they were moved to a different subforum.

However, if you look back to when the iPhone was first introduced, you'll see that every thread was about every tiny thing on the iPhone. Teardowns, component costs, features, 'how to' guides -- the lot. See:

https://www.macrumors.com/archive/2007/07/
https://www.macrumors.com/archive/2007/08/

And the iPad:

https://www.macrumors.com/archive/2010/04/

So although I don't care about the Apple Watch and roll my eyes whenever I see a new thread on it, this certainly isn't something new. I simply move on and try not to moan about them, even if they irk me.

So to all you posters whining about how MacRumours isn't what it used to be: you've either not been lurking long enough, or you need to remove your rose-tinted glasses. :)
 
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Reviews generally seem to be well-received in my opinion, aside from the folks who respond to every one saying they must be ads in disguise, which they are most definitely not...we've tried every way we can think of to make that clear, without much success.

I think the reason people feel the reviews are ads in disguise (despite your efforts to convince them otherwise), is that it seems like ALL the reviews are glowingly positive. I say 'it seems' because I can't say that I've read all of the reviews. But if you can link us to a handful of reviews that were negative, or at least somewhat negative about the product being reviewed, that would convince me otherwise.
 
@WildCowboy

Since we're talking about the editorial direction, I find articles that purely speculate about what the next product *might* have, to be largely a waste of time. Solid rumors from previously reliable sources, both named and un-named are great, but I've seen speculative articles as driving the disappointment felt after a keynote doesn't deliver the features/specifications which should never have been speculated about in the first place.

Since Apple concentrates so much effort on iOS, the move to more iOS-centric front page is, sadly, par for the course, but it's a sport I'm not engaged in quite as much.

Any outlet that wants to survive has to give the readers what they want. I'm sure the metrics will drive content, rather than the other way around. In that respect the editorial team will do what keeps the brand afloat.

Just my 2c
 
I think the reason people feel the reviews are ads in disguise (despite your efforts to convince them otherwise), is that it seems like ALL the reviews are glowingly positive. I say 'it seems' because I can't say that I've read all of the reviews. But if you can link us to a handful of reviews that were negative, or at least somewhat negative about the product being reviewed, that would convince me otherwise.

A couple thoughts on this:

If something stinks, we don't review it. They don't deserve the publicity a review brings in. Usually we can tell just from the pitch, so we decline to even look at the products. There have been occasions, however, where we've gotten a product for review purposes and realized it's just not worth our effort to review it or yours to read about it.

So that's why you'll see a trend toward positive...we review things we expect/hope will be good and that people are probably already interested in hearing about.

We try to be balanced with our reviews, and do point out negatives. Many of our reviews like this one and this one have "Pros" and "Cons" bullet lists at the bottom, while this one had a "Negatives" section in the body of the review that was as long as the "Positives" section. Some like this one have caveats right in the title. Others like the SanDisk one from yesterday don't make a huge deal out of the negatives, but we certainly mention price and a lack of dust cap for both ends.

@WildCowboy

Since we're talking about the editorial direction, I find articles that purely speculate about what the next product *might* have, to be largely a waste of time. Solid rumors from previously reliable sources, both named and un-named are great, but I've seen speculative articles as driving the disappointment felt after a keynote doesn't deliver the features/specifications which should never have been speculated about in the first place.

Since Apple concentrates so much effort on iOS, the move to more iOS-centric front page is, sadly, par for the course, but it's a sport I'm not engaged in quite as much.

Any outlet that wants to survive has to give the readers what they want. I'm sure the metrics will drive content, rather than the other way around. In that respect the editorial team will do what keeps the brand afloat.

Just my 2c

We try not to do too much speculation, but when we do they frequently prove popular. Sometimes a speculative article serves a great starting point for forum discussions, so we don't mind doing it once in awhile. But most of what we do is news and actual rumors...not much speculation, opinion, or whatever. Lines between rumor and speculation can blur at times depending on the source, but we try to separate that out as best we can.

We love Macs as much as the next person...it's in our name. And whenever we can report on the Mac side, we do. But it's a simple reality that most of Apple's customer base (and revenue) comes from iOS, so that's where the most interest is. And of course Apple Watch is at the forefront given the newness of it...that will ebb over time as it becomes settled in as a normal part of Apple's product lineup. Wherever Apple goes, we go too. We can't please everyone all of the time, but we hope to offer a breadth of Apple coverage to please a good proportion of people a good amount of the time.
 
I think the reason people feel the reviews are ads in disguise (despite your efforts to convince them otherwise), is that it seems like ALL the reviews are glowingly positive. I say 'it seems' because I can't say that I've read all of the reviews. But if you can link us to a handful of reviews that were negative, or at least somewhat negative about the product being reviewed, that would convince me otherwise.

Just to add a bit to what Eric said above on reviews, I'd like to point out that reviews are a serious time investment on our part, so we do try to focus on products that are worth our time and your time. I don't want to spend weeks evaluating a product and then several hours on top of that writing about it if I don't think it's going to be of interest or worth a purchase for someone.

That's the primary reason that our reviews slant towards positivity. We get a lot of review requests and we choose products that look like they're going to be worth someone's time. Beyond that, when we get something that looks like it'll be a good product and it's not, we don't continue on with a review.

I have, on multiple occasions, received a product, evaluated it, and decided not to write a review simply because I'd rather spend my time sharing a mostly good product than a mostly bad one. That said, I always try to be fair and all of my posts have both positives and negatives in them. Many, like Eric said, have explicit Pro/Con lists, and I'm going to go ahead and make sure those are in all of my reviews going forward for better consistency.

Reviews are still very new for us, so we appreciate any and all feedback on them. We're also entirely open to suggestions on specific products or product categories that people would like us to take a look at, and we/I can be contacted at tips@macrumors.com or juli@macrumors.com.
 
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The problem is the site went from an Apple rumor site to an Apple review site. If I want reviews I will go to a site that does reviews. It's the same problem with The Verge now, They wen't from a tech site to a human interest site.
 
The problem is the site went from an Apple rumor site to an Apple review site. If I want reviews I will go to a site that does reviews. It's the same problem with The Verge now, They wen't from a tech site to a human interest site.
I can't say that I've been seeing that many reviews, and certainly not many as far as when compared to other types of articles. It's true that there's much more than just tech rumors specifically related to Apple, but, at least in my experience, the reviews don't seem to really represent that much of it all.
 
I can't say that I've been seeing that many reviews, and certainly not many as far as when compared to other types of articles. It's true that there's much more than just tech rumors specifically related to Apple, but, at least in my experience, the reviews don't seem to really represent that much of it all.
Maybe not so much reviews, but a lot more press releases.
 
The problem is the site went from an Apple rumor site to an Apple review site. If I want reviews I will go to a site that does reviews. It's the same problem with The Verge now, They wen't from a tech site to a human interest site.

The site hasn't changed -- we are still very much a rumor site. Reviews, how-tos, and related posts are a small fraction of our total posts and they're certainly not supplanting existing content. Posting a review doesn't mean we skip over a rumor. Reviews and how-tos are added content, not content that's replacing what was there before.
 
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@WildCowboy

Since we're talking about the editorial direction, I find articles that purely speculate about what the next product *might* have, to be largely a waste of time. Solid rumors from previously reliable sources, both named and un-named are great, but I've seen speculative articles as driving the disappointment felt after a keynote doesn't deliver the features/specifications which should never have been speculated about in the first place.

Since Apple concentrates so much effort on iOS, the move to more iOS-centric front page is, sadly, par for the course, but it's a sport I'm not engaged in quite as much.

Any outlet that wants to survive has to give the readers what they want. I'm sure the metrics will drive content, rather than the other way around. In that respect the editorial team will do what keeps the brand afloat.

Just my 2c

"If Henry Ford had asked the people what they wanted, they would've said a faster horse. He didn't and made the core, which was what they didn't know they wanted even more"
- Paraphrased Steve Jobs I think
See below next quote for more.

what we do is news and actual rumors...not much speculation, opinion, or whatever

I've voiced this once before, and I will again, because I feel it's an important sentiment to get through, considering the general negativity on that front.
Do not do less opinion please. I've always thought the MacRumors editorial team had a lot of untapped potential that could flourish, if you wrote thought pieces and long form articles. I love that you're doing reviews, even though I'm not a fan of the style of the reviews (too short and too little data most the time), or the products they cover, I love that you do them.
Oh, and if you look at a product that you feel seemed cool, but that then disappoints, I'd actually really like to read a review of it, since that would suggest a good idea executed wrong, which could lead to a similar idea executed right.
 
Clickbait article. Ad revenue must be down this week for MR.
I don't understand why there are always a few of you who bash every one of these kinds of articles. Not everyone is as smart and great and genius as you are. These are good how to guides that can benefit a neophyte and a more advance user who doesn't know everything as you do.
As soon as I see the word "clickbait", I know exactly what we are dealing with. 'Nuff said.

And yes, I love the rectangular shape of the watch. I'm used to it from previous watches and don't want a round watch. Those of you who want the round watch, please leave here and get the pebble or whatever.
 
Clickbait article. Ad revenue must be down this week for MR.

No sure how it's "clickbait." Clickbait typically has a deceiving headline or picture that has little to do with the article. Here it's clear what the article is about coupled with pictured of actual WatchOS 2 custom faces. Had the editors put up a picture of a Hermes watch face then you'd have a point. This is a vanilla "how to" article that does what the headline states.
 
No sure how it's "clickbait." Clickbait typically has a deceiving headline or picture that has little to do with the article. Here it's clear what the article is about coupled with pictured of actual WatchOS 2 custom faces. Had the editors put up a picture of a Hermes watch face then you'd have a point. This is a vanilla "how to" article that does what the headline states.
Click bait can also be a simple article to generate ad revenue. That's what this is.
 
No sure how it's "clickbait." Clickbait typically has a deceiving headline or picture that has little to do with the article. Here it's clear what the article is about coupled with pictured of actual WatchOS 2 custom faces. Had the editors put up a picture of a Hermes watch face then you'd have a point. This is a vanilla "how to" article that does what the headline states.
Clickbait article. Ad revenue must be down this week for MR.
Not clickbait but certainly not a "rumor" either. IMO these basic how to write ups (not willing to call them articles) should be relegated to a specific area of the site but shouldn't hit the FP or get pulled in RSS feeds.

Click bait can also be a simple article to generate ad revenue. That's what this is.
Ad blocker. #problemsolved
 
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Click bait can also be a simple article to generate ad revenue. That's what this is.

You see a trailer for a TV show or a news broadcast, and they don't tell you anything interesting enough to cause you to tune in, that's fine. But they are trying to show you something that will interest you enough to get you to tune in, and they hope the what they're dealing is something you're interested in. Nothing wrong with that. It's business, and everyone is getting their quid pro quo.

This article is an perfect example of that. The headline was clear. The article had what was promised. If you felt it was useless information and you clicked on it that's on you. "Click bait" carries a negative connotation, and it's unfair of you to put that label on the article.
 
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No sure how it's "clickbait." Clickbait typically has a deceiving headline or picture that has little to do with the article. Here it's clear what the article is about coupled with pictured of actual WatchOS 2 custom faces. Had the editors put up a picture of a Hermes watch face then you'd have a point. This is a vanilla "how to" article that does what the headline states.
Those who have to rely on boring and hackneyed sayings such as "you're doing it wrong", "clickbait", and "--gate" have to say these things because they have nothing else to say, have a need to express themselves even if wrong or inappropriate, and just want to be noticed.
 
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Click bait can also be a simple article to generate ad revenue. That's what this is.
Absolutely NOT true. An article to inform or generate income, if true, isn't any kind of bait. It isn't suckering you into anything. The meaning of "clickbait" is so obvious just from it's name, that it's amazing that someone wouldn't be able to understand it.

BTW, this is meant to be an informative article. One of the side benefits of a good article is to bring in readership and increase revenues. Why is that a negative thing to you. I swear, every day, more and more, I just don't understand where some of the stuff I read here comes from. How you can in any way complain about this article totally escapes me.
 
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Absolutely NOT true. An article to inform or generate income, if true, isn't any kind of bait. It isn't suckering you into anything. The meaning of "clickbait" is so obvious just from it's name, that it's amazing that someone wouldn't be able to understand it.
It's amazing you don't see that MR is playing you for ad money.
 
nothing against how-to's but "how to personalize your watch face and complications" - really? sounds like a filler article to me. that's probably the most basic function the watch has. what's next? "how to scroll down to read this article?"

i'd guess, half of the people, who clicked on the "personalize watch" article" just wanted to know if you're really serious.
 
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