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Girl, 11, Gives Birth to Baby Boy

skunk said:
An investigation may not be relevant or necessary. It may have occurred through innocence and/or ignorance between curious children.
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That would be discovered in an investigation would it not? I was under the impression that certain circumstances trigger automatic protocols to be followed, such as pregnancy under a certain age. Then again, the article doesn't say what state this occurred in, only the North East if I remember right, so I don't know if laws like that are in place.

Either way I just think this kind of thing is wrong.

Edit: MOFS described it well, though thats in the UK, I don't know if individual states have these laws.
 
MOFS said:
In the UK at least, if anyone engages in sexual activity with someone under the age of 13, it would be an offence, regardless of their own age or whether "consent" is obtained - the thinking is that aged under 13 a child is unable to give consent (ie lacks the capacity to make that decision).
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So if both parties were under 13, would both parties be penalised?
 
skunk said:
So if both parties were under 13, would both parties be penalised?
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Under California Law yes. 261.5 PC. Look at the (b) section. It is 3 years younger or older. So you could have a 13 year old and a 15 year old and they could be found guilty of misdomeaner. Now I am not saying the will spend time in jail and the baby taken away how ever there is a crime here in California.

If we don't know the age of the father, there could be a couple different crimes. I said could be. I am only speaking of California Law.

288 PC comes to mind.
 
skunk said:
So if both parties were under 13, would both parties be penalised?
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I would be seriously surprised if they arrested/tried either party if they were less then thirteen years old. There may be a perfectly normal explanation for this (as someone else said they may have just been curious) and it is not unusual for people to reach puberty earlier then others.

I think a stern talking to would be in order but they are not going to arrest them if it was consensual, and they were both under thirteen. However if they were not, then there is serious problems. I am sure this will be investigated so if she was raped they will know about it.

King Mook Mook
 
rhett7660 said:
Under California Law yes. 261.5 PC. Look at the (b) section. It is 3 years younger or older. So you could have a 13 year old and a 15 year old and they could be found guilty of misdomeaner. Now I am not saying the will spend time in jail and the baby taken away hower there is a crime here in California.

If we don't know the age of the father, there could be a couple different crimes. I said could be. I am only speaking of California Law.

288 PC comes to mind.
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In that case look up Romeo & Juliet laws ... or something like that.
 
jessica. said:
In that case look up Romeo & Juliet laws ... or something like that.
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This is for where, what part of the world? I know California doesn't recognize them. That is the whole reason for the 261.5 law. Just for this reason. It doesn't mean child molestation or rapist. It is for the boyfriend and girlfriend who are either under age, both of them, or one is of legal age and one isn't, and they are in a relationship. Please do not think I am saying they will arrest and put them through the system. They can and have, however I think we need to know a little more about this. And I am only speaking of California law no where else.
 
NT1440 said:
That would be discovered in an investigation would it not? I was under the impression that certain circumstances trigger automatic protocols to be followed, such as pregnancy under a certain age. Then again, the article doesn't say what state this occurred in, only the North East if I remember right, so I don't know if laws like that are in place.

Either way I just think this kind of thing is wrong.

Edit: MOFS described it well, though thats in the UK, I don't know if individual states have these laws.
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I willing to bet the investigation happened and was completed 8-9 months ago. If the birth is what triggered it and if it is not completed by now then I would have very little faith in CPA.

Since there was no report of anything that means they found nothing chargeable because something like 2 10 year doing it not really news worthy.
 

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MOFS said:
In the UK at least, if anyone engages in sexual activity with someone under the age of 13, it would be an offence, regardless of their own age or whether "consent" is obtained - the thinking is that aged under 13 a child is unable to give consent (ie lacks the capacity to make that decision).
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Perhaps, but this may be an example of a poor choice or ignorance, not rape. If the man who got her pregnant was over 16 or 18 (this will depend on their laws), then that's rape.

And say they were punished. How would they be punished? Juvenile Detention?? Do they get taken out of school and sent somewhere? None of these are real solutions. At this age, educating them would probably be a more effective method.
 
But if the girl was 10 yrs old at the time, and (for example) the boy was 11, doesn't that make them both guilty of sex with a minor below the age of consent?
 
cantthinkofone said:
Do you know of any 16 year old girl, much less boy who is ready to take care of a newborn? To be the 24 hour 7 days a week no matter what caregiver?
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There are 20 year olds and 30 year olds who are not ready to care for a newborn, as well. Age has nothing to do with it. Such ideas are imposed by cultural concepts/norms/morals. Many 15 and 16 year olds have cared for babies, perfectly well, throughout history.
 
if daddy was about the same age how the hell is he gonna pay child support? come on now this the real question.
of course the whole thing is crazy it was crazy to follow through with the pregnancy.
 
Antares said:
There are 20 year olds and 30 year olds who are not ready to care for a newborn, as well. Age has nothing to do with it. Such ideas are imposed by cultural concepts/norms/morals. Many 15 and 16 year olds have cared for babies, perfectly well, throughout history.
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Age most certainly does have something to do with it. You can't argue that an 11 year old (assuming same age for "dad") has near the earning potential of a 20-30 year old:rolleyes:

As far as 15-16 year olds throught out history.....times change, societies change. Not a comparison at all
 
Antares said:
There are 20 year olds and 30 year olds who are not ready to care for a newborn, as well. Age has nothing to do with it. Such ideas are imposed by cultural concepts/norms/morals. Many 15 and 16 year olds have cared for babies, perfectly well, throughout history.
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Yea back when being preganant at 15 or 16 was perfectly natural. When we lived to an average age of 40.

But there wasn't prom, weekends, sleep overs, highschool, college.

NO 15 or 16 year old is ready mentally to be a parent. Or go thru pregnancy.

Why is the drinking age (in the US at least) 21? Because they believe that is when the human brain is fully developed and wont be hurt as bad by alcohol consumption.

I don't think a 16 year old is ready to drive a vehicle.

I wont be surprised at the least if both the girl and the baby's father are charged with statutory rape. But i also believe it wouldn't be the best thing to do. I think counseling would be best. See why the hell an 11 girl got pregnant in the first place.
 
cantthinkofone said:
Yea back when being preganant at 15 or 16 was perfectly natural. When we lived to an average age of 40.

But there wasn't prom, weekends, sleep overs, highschool, college.
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Exactly. We evolved for pregnancy in late teens. We delay it now because we live longer, although not without certain risks - for example, the chances of genetic disorders like down syndrome go up as the woman gets older.

Why is the drinking age (in the US at least) 21? Because they believe that is when the human brain is fully developed and wont be hurt as bad by alcohol consumption.
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Your brain is damaged regardless of age. It's about the development of the frontal lobe, which is linked to maturity. It finishes developing in the early 20s.
 
Muncher said:
Exactly. We evolved for pregnancy in late teens. We delay it now because we live longer, although not without certain risks - for example, the chances of genetic disorders like down syndrome go up as the woman gets older.
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Yes. But so many other factors exist now as well. A place to live...Can't just set up a hut and start a family.

Muncher said:
Your brain is damaged regardless of age. It's about the development of the frontal lobe, which is linked to maturity. It finishes developing in the early 20s.
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wont be hurt as bad ;)
 
NT1440 said:
Does statutory rape not count if both parties are underage? :confused:
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Of course, since statutory rape is rape according to statute, it depends on the statute. Different places have different definitions, but in the U.S., it is certainly not illegal for two teenagers to have sex. The law is about people on either side of the 18 mark - if two teens have sex, they're being foolish teens (as we can expect them to be), but if a 25 year old has sex with a 15 year old, well, somebody's being a bit of a predator, and somebody's consent doesn't carry the same kind of weight as the consent of an adult, so it is statutory rape.

In fact, there's an asterisk to the above 18/below 18 rule, making exceptions for people within (usually) two years of eachother in age. This is so to avoid absurdities like teens legally having sex, then one turns 18, and then for the next 3 months or whatever it would be illegal, until the next person's birthday.

But I'd be that an impragnated 11 year old is more likely a victim of child molestation (which, in a practical sense, it certainly would be if commited by a minor who was not 10 or 12 but 16, say) than not.
 
1) I've attended delivery of mom of 12. This is nothing new.
2) We didn't evolve to have pregnancy at any specific age. When menarche begins, pregnancy can occur. However, success of prgnancy and of the mom living is lower at such a young age so I guess there is sone evolutionary pressure.
3) Age of puberty has gotten younger over the years. Many factors implicated. Those early games of "playing doctor" can have more serious implications.
4) it's not rape if there isn't a significant age difference between the two. At that age, girls are often more physically and emotionally mature than their male peers.

That having been said, overall a sad state of affairs. One wonders it this could have been prevented. I wonder what information about sex this girl was given (or not) by parent(s) prior.
 
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