Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Give me one reason why I shouldn't..

I went with the xenon because you can’t get the RTX 5000 paired with the i9.

I believe this is do to thermal constraints.

Your options from Lenovo are an i7 or the Xenon.

I also will be running software that does not make use of the higher multithreaded scores of the i9.

Software such as Solidworks, Creo, ANSYS and a few others.

As far as the 1080p screen yes, I am sure to many in here that seems a bit off putting. However that is not a big deal to someone targeting a workstation machine with modularity for RAM and SSD.

This is a laptop I will have for a long time, they are built for longevity.

i can always but an external 4K screen if it bothers me that much. However if I had a 4K screen paired with the software I will be utilizing my battery life wouldn’t be too good. Not that I find myself in that situation, however again these builds are meant to be workstations.

You guys are very set in your ways having been with Apple for so long so I understand the reason for some of the feedback in here.

At the end of the day it is a beast of a laptop that will have more computing power and better thermals for my line of work.
 
  • Like
Reactions: maflynn
iMi said:
The OP made it pretty clear you needed a Windows machine due to lack of compatibility with engineering software. Reading comprehension these days... lol
Click to expand...


You do know you can run Windows natively via Bootcamp (meaning those engineering softwares are perfectly capable of running) on a Mac right? Multiple people in this thread have commented on it. A Mac machine can literally be a Windows machine if you want it to be. Reading comprehension these days indeed... lol.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LoganT
you can also check MSI WS65 lineup with RTX 5000 and 4K LCD 100% Adobe RGB coverage
 
Could someone explain this a little better? I thought the i9 had 2 more cores than the Xeon?

"Only the Xeon is equipped with the QPI bus, which is necessary for multiprocessing. Farther down in the comparison, you will see that the Xeon is listed as supporting a 2-processor configuration whereas the i9 processor cannot."

Is this where I would benefit while doing FEA Structural Analysis? Someone put all this into lames terms for me.
 
CM_1986 said:
Could someone explain this a little better? I thought the i9 had 2 more cores than the Xeon?

"Only the Xeon is equipped with the QPI bus, which is necessary for multiprocessing. Farther down in the comparison, you will see that the Xeon is listed as supporting a 2-processor configuration whereas the i9 processor cannot."

Is this where I would benefit while doing FEA Structural Analysis? Someone put all this into lames terms for me.
Click to expand...

doesn't matter there is no laptop with dual CPU
 
What type of engineering software would run on a Windows based machine that you cannot run on a unix based machine? Seems more like a troll post to me. Even Visual Studio runs on a Mac.

If you want a Windows machine, go get it. I don‘t see why anyone should convince you to buy a Mac, when you clearly hate Apple hardware. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
  • Like
Reactions: LoganT
dschulian said:
What type of engineering software would run on a Windows base machine that you cannot run on a unix based machine? Except building Seems more like a troll post to me. Even Visual Studio runs on a Mac.

If you want a Windows machine, go get it. I don‘t see why anyone should convince you tois buy a Mac, when you clearly hate Apple hardware. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Click to expand...

Did I screw myself going with the Xeon? Should I have went with an i9 8-core paired with the RTX4000?

I prioritized the graphics card which is why I went with RTX 5000 and Xeon. They do not offer the RTX 5000 with the i9 I am assuming due to thermal constraints. The RTX 5000 has 16GB and the 4000 has 8.

At the end of the day if I will not really notice the difference in processors then I will not worry about it but due to the amount of cash I want to make sure I am making the best choice for simulation and CAD work.
[automerge]1574519136[/automerge]
This was the alternative:

Lower graphics card with the i9

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1499932-REG/lenovo_20qn002eus_p53_i9_9880h_64gb_1tb.html
 
Last edited:
CM_1986 said:
Did I screw myself going with the Xeon? Should I have went with an i9 8-core paired with the RTX4000?

I prioritized the graphics card which is why I went with RTX 5000 and Xeon. They do not offer the RTX 5000 with the i9 I am assuming due to thermal constraints. The RTX 5000 has 16GB and the 4000 has 8.

At the end of the day if I will not really notice the difference in processors then I will not worry about it but due to the amount of cash I want to make sure I am making the best choice for simulation and CAD work.
Click to expand...
Which Xeon? do you need ECC memory?
there is a MSI with i9 and 5500 RTX
 
dschulian said:
What type of engineering software would run on a Windows based machine that you cannot run on a unix based machine? Seems more like a troll post to me. Even Visual Studio runs on a Mac.

If you want a Windows machine, go get it. I don‘t see why anyone should convince you to buy a Mac, when you clearly hate Apple hardware. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Click to expand...

Not true. if anything I am looking for reasons to stay with a Mac since every I am surrounded by in my field keeps telling me I am delaying the inevitable and really need a windows machine in this line of work.
[automerge]1574519385[/automerge]
_Kiki_ said:
Which Xeon? do you need ECC memory?
there is a MSI with i9 and 5500 RTX
Click to expand...

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1499937-REG/lenovo_20qn001tus_p53_xe_2276m_64gb_1tb.html

I was reading some reviews of guys running Prime95 and finding the i9 with the RTX 4000 was running at a lower clock speed than the Xeon paired with the RTX 5000. This due to the thermals of the i9.

I believe the Xeon runs at a lower power, generating less heat. Which is why I seem to be reading about its stability.

I do not know enough about this stuff, what I do know is something I will be running a simulation that will take an hour or so. Which tells me I want the rig that can sustain the highest clock speed under a load....which seems to be the Xeon compared to the i9 which seems to be seeing a lower maintaining clock speed under heavy load.
 
CM_1986 said:
As far as the 1080p screen yes, I am sure to many in here that seems a bit off putting. However that is not a big deal to someone targeting a workstation machine with modularity for RAM and SSD.
Click to expand...

You know you can configure the P53 (either an i9, or a Xeon) with a 15.6" UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) OLED display right?

I just configured a Xeon based P53 with these options;
  • Intel® Xeon® E-2276M with vPro™ (2.80GHz, up to 4.70GHz with Turbo Boost, 6 Cores, 12MB Cache)
  • 64GB (32GB + 32GB) DDR4 2666MHz
  • 1TB Solid State Drive, M.2 PCIe-NVMe, Opal
  • 15.6" UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) OLED, 350 nits, multi-touch, AR/AS with Dolby Vision™ HDR 500
  • NVIDIA Quadro RTX5000 16GB
  • Fingerprint Reader
  • IR & 720p HD camera with ThinkShutter
  • Backlit Keyboard with Number Pad - US English
  • Intel AX200 Wi-Fi 6 802.11AX (2 x 2) & Bluetooth 5.0
Cost - $4409

Wanna build a custom Xeon based P53 config? Start here


And configured an i9 based P53 with these options;
  • Intel® Core™ i9-9880H with vPro™ (2.30GHz, up to 4.80GHz with Turbo Boost, 8 Cores, 16MB Cache)
  • 64GB (32GB + 32GB) DDR4 2666MHz
  • 1TB Solid State Drive, M.2 PCIe-NVMe, Opal
  • 15.6" UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) OLED, 350 nits, multi-touch, AR/AS with Dolby Vision™ HDR 500
  • NVIDIA Quadro RTX4000 8GB
  • Fingerprint Reader
  • IR & 720p HD camera with ThinkShutter
  • Backlit Keyboard with Number Pad - US English
  • Intel AX200 Wi-Fi 6 802.11AX (2 x 2) & Bluetooth 5.0
Cost - $3654

Wanna build a custom i9 based P53 config? Start here

Note: prices reflect use of coupon code THINKSGIVING


A similarly configured 16" MBP (i9 2.4Ghz / 64GB / Radeon 5500M 8GB / 1TB)
cost - $3899
 
Last edited:
CM_1986 said:
Software such as Solidworks, Creo, ANSYS and a few others.

As far as the 1080p screen yes, I am sure to many in here that seems a bit off putting. However that is not a big deal to someone targeting a workstation machine with modularity for RAM and SSD.

This is a laptop I will have for a long time, they are built for longevity.
Click to expand...
I can't imagine doing that kind of work on a low-DPI screen in this day-and-age, especially at $5,000. Doesn't Lenovo offer a 4K or similar upgrade?
 
CM_1986 said:
Not true. if anything I am looking for reasons to stay with a Mac since every I am surrounded by in my field keeps telling me I am delaying the inevitable and really need a windows machine in this line of work.
[automerge]1574519385[/automerge]


https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1499937-REG/lenovo_20qn001tus_p53_xe_2276m_64gb_1tb.html

I was reading some reviews of guys running Prime95 and finding the i9 with the RTX 4000 was running at a lower clock speed than the Xeon paired with the RTX 5000. This due to the thermals of the i9.

I believe the Xeon runs at a lower power, generating less heat. Which is why I seem to be reading about its stability.

I do not know enough about this stuff, what I do know is something I will be running a simulation that will take an hour or so. Which tells me I want the rig that can sustain the highest clock speed under a load....which seems to be the Xeon compared to the i9 which seems to be seeing a lower maintaining clock speed under heavy load.
Click to expand...

6-cores with ECC support still not bad, you will get better thermals comparing to 8-core i9
How much you paid?
currently is 3809 on Lenovo website with 4K HDR Screen, it's for P73
top config P53 is $3709
I'm not sure why in P53 there is no possibility to get 4K screen with RTX 5000?
 
Last edited:
wonder if B&H will match Lenovo, does seem the same machine is cheaper. Box is sitting in front of me haven't opened it yet,

B&H return policy can not open box.
 
CM_1986 said:
wonder if B&H will match Lenovo, does seem the same machine is cheaper. Box is sitting in front of me haven't opened it yet,

B&H return policy can not open box.
Click to expand...
Good luck. I buy 10’s of thousands of dollars of camera equipment from BH but I won’t touch them with a 10 foot pool with laptops as they don’t accept returns on them. They may also hem and haw with you if you already have it in your hands. I’m surprised you didn’t even bother to price check Lenovo’s website...
 
_Kiki_ said:
almost $1000 difference, that's a lot
Click to expand...

Thats weird, usually B&H prices their stuff pretty competitivley. I honestly didn't even shop the Lenovo website because I didn't want to wait for it to be built.
 
  • Processor : Intel® Xeon® E-2276M with vPro™ (2.80GHz, up to 4.70GHz with Turbo Boost, 6 Cores, 12MB Cache)
  • Operating System : Windows 10 Pro for Workstations 64
  • Operating System Language : Windows 10 Pro for Workstations 64 English
  • Memory : 32GB DDR4 2666MHz ECC
  • First Hard Drive : 1TB Solid State Drive, M.2 PCIe-NVMe, Opal
  • Storage Total Capacity : 1TB
  • Display : 15.6" UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) OLED, 350 nits, multi-touch, AR/AS with Dolby Vision™ HDR 500
  • Graphic Card : NVIDIA Quadro RTX5000 16GB
  • Fingerprint Reader : Fingerprint Reader
  • Keyboard : Backlit Keyboard with Number Pad - US English
  • Camera : IR & 720p HD camera with ThinkShutter
  • Pointing Device : Fingerprint
  • TPM Setting : Enabled Discrete TPM2.0
  • Battery : 6 Cell Li-Polymer, 90Wh
  • Power Cord : 230W AC Adapter
  • Wireless : Intel AX200 Wi-Fi 6 802.11AX (2 x 2) & Bluetooth 5.0
  • vPro Certified Model : vPro Certified
  • Display Panel : 15.6" UHD OLED (3840x2160), 400nit, Multi-touch, IR-Camera, Mic, WLAN
  • Language Pack : Publication-English
  • Warranty : 3Y Premier Support Upgrade (upgraded from 1 year standard warranty)
for $4,366.20
 
Last edited:
Well the Lenovo box over powered my self control and I opened it.

Currently installing ANSYS and Solidworks.

Does this mea i will be tar and feathered and kicked from this community?
 
CM_1986 said:
Well the Lenovo box over powered my self control and I opened it.

Currently installing ANSYS and Solidworks.

Does this mea i will be tar and feathered and kicked from this community?
Click to expand...

Ha, of course not. Lots of regulars hang out here who have moved on to a Windows laptop, mostly Lenovo it seems. I hope you are enjoying your awesome new machine, I'd be very excited to get such a powerful beast.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back