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Global Freezing?

Dr.Gargoyle said:
IMHO, I think we have f**ed around with mother nature a bit too much and now she is striking back at us. You guys from US should seriously reconsider signing the Kyoto protocol. Just my 2c.
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Yeah, if we 'average guys' were in power, we would sign that Kyoto accord rightaway and stop all these insane wars going on around the world. I moved to the US from India a couple of years ago, and while the politicians in India are the biggest bribed officials..its the same here too. Except that, they do it in a more 'classified' manner..and in a twisted way.

Of course, no one gives a damn about the environment anyway..its not a 'profitable' sector..invading countries sure is.
 
Music_Producer said:
Yeah, if we 'average guys' were in power, we would sign that Kyoto accord rightaway and stop all these insane wars going on around the world. I moved to the US from India a couple of years ago, and while the politicians in India are the biggest bribed officials..its the same here too. Except that, they do it in a more 'classified' manner..and in a twisted way.

Of course, no one gives a damn about the environment anyway..its not a 'profitable' sector..invading countries sure is.
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I honestly think politicians are a separate breed (perhaps caused by a biological experiment gone terribly wrong :p ). They seem to just the same all over the world. The only thing keeping their small and narrow minds busy, is how to get reelected. It still amazes me to see that when it really matters, we actually let the ass control the brain.
 
makes me glad i live on high ground.

planes are one of the biggest causes of global warming, if you have the choice of taking the train or a plane take the train for the sake of the environment, the costs are huge and it's not in a hundred years it will come into effect it's in decades.

in my total ignorance i just hope that the gulf stream stopping should just about cancel out global warming in the uk so we stay about the same, but thats my nieve pipe dream
 
Don't believe everything you read

It's just speculation, people. Don't believe every single idea you hear about.
 
mproud said:
It's just speculation, people. Don't believe every single idea you hear about.
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Didnt the band play on while the Titanic sank?

MASSIVE enviromental change is on its way soon. Granted it wouldve changed in time but at a pace where we would have adapted naturally. The speed will be shocking. Saying that, the way we live does have to change just as dramatically so some good may come out of it. Mankind likes to think its so smart.
 
not so?

topgunn said:
Visit the Panama Canal and you will see how level the seas are. It's quite amazing, really.
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either you are forgetting, or you just don't really know, but the panama canal was built above ground due to the immense effort it took for them to dig into the ground at the time.
They tried to dig it out like the erie canal, and failed. Another architect took it over and built it above ground.

http://www.pancanal.com/eng/general/howitworks/index.html

so you can not compare the oceans as being level by the way a canal is built.
same as the erie canal, Lockport, NY has more locks because some of the ground was too hard to dig through, so they had to vary the sizes of the locks to maintain the level of water for commerce (traffic) to flow through without scraping the bottom.
 
mproud said:
It's just speculation, people. Don't believe every single idea you hear about.
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we are screwed unless we make major changes it's a fact dont ignore it, it's people like you who run things into the ground.
 
"The environment is changing, we're all gonna have to make some changes, whilst not slight will still not be life-altering, such as using alternative fuels..."
"Really?"
"Yeah, seriously - here's the evidence"
"Oh... right... so it's just happening in Europe, right?"
"yeah... that's what the evidence looks like"
"Oh, ok then" [imaginary man gets into SUV and drives off]

I hate the way even by reading this thread I've felt slightly better about climate change - "oh, it's ok - it happens anyway..." c'mon people...! It's been *so* cold here in the last 2 weeks, I dunno bout you but I don't think it's usual...

Hob
 
pinto32 said:
This is why its been great to see gas prices going up, even if its still only $2.00-$2.50 a gallon, its still better than $1.50. For the first time in years, SUV and trucks sales are supposedly going down. Still, its only a drop in the bucket, and I doubt that our species is smart enough (as a whole) to do anything in time.

As a little note of daily irony....here in Pennsylvania, we have several specialty licence plates (DARE, preserve our heritage, preserve our wildlife, etc.) The reason I mention them is the sheer irony of seeing the "preserve our wildlife" plate on a Chevy Suburban. (notto worry, the wildlife plates are still infinantly outnumbered by "god bless America" ribbons on SUVs)
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This coming from a guy who leaves his computer on to let it fold, using how many KW of juice, not only that but recommends to thousands of others that they do the same. Just thought i would point that out, but gas usage and wasted electricity is a big issue that we need to think long and hard about and then do something
 
Will living on t'pennines help??? anyway look which news company is reporting this story.... nuff said!
 
the coming Ice Age

Mr. Anderson said:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/05/10/gulfstream/index.html
So all of the members up north and across the pond - you might want to think about heading south permanently in the next decade or so. You might even want to sell your house soon before the market drops out of sight....

Strange how the global warming ends up totally messing the whole system and causing more change than anything else.
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and the ones living south should be moving north.....

http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2005/04/the_coming_ice.html
 
I think the hardest part of all of this is our now ingrained skepticism regarding any reporting like this. Really, can anyone here read these reports, many of which present views that are, excuse the pun, polar opposites, without thinking "someone's got an agenda here"?

There is so much disinformation and confusing information - where do you go for reliable, unbiased research data? And how do you know?
 
crap freakboy said:
Btw Hob...don't watch Godfather 3...sooo bad
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Don't worry, I didn't!

Did anyone else watch the canadian film that was linked? It was in 5 parts. Quite interesting, though I'm a little skeptical about the sources - though they all seemed to be using eMacs and iMacs so they can't all be bad :p

The conclusions they draw is basically that climate change happens regardless of human interaction or not. I don't know how they could tell (perhaps someone could enlighten me) but apparently over the last few thousand years there have been several major temperature changes...
 
use your intuition.....

emw said:
I think the hardest part of all of this is our now ingrained skepticism regarding any reporting like this. Really, can anyone here read these reports, many of which present views that are, excuse the pun, polar opposites, without thinking "someone's got an agenda here"?

There is so much disinformation and confusing information - where do you go for reliable, unbiased research data? And how do you know?
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The same way you gained your experience on other issues:
If somebody gives you a lot of BS over and over again, you stop beliving.

But if somebody has proven to you again and again that he/she is right then you can safely start to trust.
 
crap freakboy said:
Didnt the band play on while the Titanic sank?

MASSIVE enviromental change is on its way soon. Granted it wouldve changed in time but at a pace where we would have adapted naturally. The speed will be shocking. Saying that, the way we live does have to change just as dramatically so some good may come out of it. Mankind likes to think its so smart.
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How is this claim any more supported than the people who say nothing is going to change? Using words like "massive", "shocking", and "dramatically" may make your point seem stronger, but it's no more based on facts than the scientist who says he's worried that temperatures will rise a few degrees in the next century. This is the kind of language that politicians like to use when they want to spin an issue, not when informed people are sharing information.
 
Nickygoat said:
Isn't sea level just that - level?
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It's not just the tides that make sea level not level. It's not level all over the world.

First, the Earth is not a perfect ellipsoid. It's actually got lumps all over it that are not that perceptible. In fact, it wasn't even measurable until GPS came along.

Second, gravity is not uniform over the whole planet. Because some parts of the crust are made of denser material than others, gravity is slightly stronger on the surface in some areas. See an explanation of it here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3093927.stm

This causes water to "pile up" on areas that have stronger gravity and "hollow out" where it's weaker than average. For example, there's exceptionally strong gravity around the islands of Indonesia. So much so that if the Earth had uniform gravity, the area would be a big block of land and not islands at all.
 
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