It’s true. I’m fortunate to have two vehicles. One has CarPlay and one is an EV without CarPlay. I drive the EV more these days and when I get back into the vehicle with CarPlay, I don’t even bother using it anymore. It’s not a necessity, or as you stated, a deal breaker. I get in the car to drive, not get into the car to have 20 phone apps, text messages directly in front of me, etc as distractions.
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GM Again Attempts to Explain Its Decision to Drop CarPlay in New EVs
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It’s true. I’m fortunate to have two vehicles. One has CarPlay and one is an EV without CarPlay. I drive the EV more these days and when I get back into the vehicle with CarPlay, I don’t even bother using it anymore. It’s not a necessity, or as you stated, a deal breaker. I get in the car to drive, not get into the car to have 20 phone apps, text messages directly in front of me, etc as distractions.
The old universal dashboard just worked across all one’s vehicles. The problem today is two or more cars in the driveway, two or more ways to operate the vehicle. Even by the same manufacturer. The average driver only spends about an hour in their vehicle a day. All this added junk, very expensive must-haves. Then we wonder why the vehicles we drive are so expensive.
Translation: We want to be able to milk as much money from consumers as possible on an ongoing basis using subscriptions
Silly idea from GM.
People like CarPlay and Android Auto because they just work.
People like CarPlay and Android Auto because they just work.
You mean that the incentive to actually be selling their vehicles is not enough?
GM has been struggling with maintaining their market share as it is.
They are losing China.
The North American market is already their main market, with US being the biggest and most important part of it.
Even in the US they’re losing market share.
The US consumers are pretty clear on wanting CarPlay.
What other incentive do they need ?
Irrelevant.
The benefit for consumer is providing what consumer wants.
If you don’t provide something that consumer wants, you better make your overall product so highly desirable that the consumer will be willing to give up some of their priorities just because they want your product so much.
It worked for Tesla because they were so early to the market, sold cars without really any serious competition for quite a few years, had practically a cult following, and being a tech company actually did design a nice interface (although this was probably the least important part).
GM is opposite of all of these things.
True. The SLVR was much better.
The reality is neither situation is ideal, but GM thinks they are Tesla in this...... Tesla had a 15 year lead on them and a much more refined vehicle structure in terms of electronics these days. GM is at about a 2013 Model S right now in terms of refinement and organization of these components, let alone the software quality itself. Stated from someone in their own organization working on this. Not me, but the discussion with them happened last week ironically. Oops.
Most importantly Tesla had two things going for it:True. The SLVR was much better.
1) An early start with no competition
2) Cleverly presenting itself as a tech startup, not a traditional boring car company.
GM in the EV game reminds me of Dr Evil doing his “I’m hip ! I’m cool !” dance. For most people they are neither hip nor cool, they are an ancient dinosaur who made uncle Ben’s old Chevy that blew its transmission at 45,000 miles.
I’m guessing you did not bother to read what I was replying to to set context.
What exactly is it you think I am arguing?
I fully agree. Perhaps GM can create a more integrated experience. However, GM believes I care more about that than my broad mobile-centric experience. I DON'T. I value my mobile experience more, and I don't care if I have to hit another button to access the car settings. Many of those will likely be accessible in future Car Play versions as well. I recently changed pickups, and GM was out of the question for this precise reason. Thus, welcome RAM.
Continuity and integration are at the heart of Apple's philosophy and a competitive advantage. You can't blame GM for taking inspiration from it. Granted, the carmaker doesn't have the same experience in software development, just like Apple didn't have as much experience as Intel, Qualcomm, and others when it started developing its own chips.
Where do you rate Tesla from that viewpoint?Automotive manufacturers need to cater to consumers not pretend their inferior content/map services are just as attractive. Can’t fool consumers.
What a sorry excuse for journalism.
They want data, data to sell, CarPlay doesn’t allow for that.
They estimated some absurd number of billions to be made off that data servicing in their financial calls. Anything that doesn’t address that is corporate propaganda (PR).
They want data, data to sell, CarPlay doesn’t allow for that.
They estimated some absurd number of billions to be made off that data servicing in their financial calls. Anything that doesn’t address that is corporate propaganda (PR).
Good but could be better. Personally I'd like them to support CarPlay but it could be much much worse.
With Airplay, I get a hardware upgrade every time I buy a new phone. So if I keep the car 10 or 12 years the car will always have reasonably up-to-date hardware capable of running whatever software people will use on 2036.
On the other hand, the new 2025 GM car will always and forever have a 2025 vintage computer inside that can run whatever software people in 2025 will be using.
GM might update the software, maybe. But they will never install a new CPU in the car. You only get the new CPU chips if you upgrade the iPhone ever 3 or 4 years.
On the other hand, the new 2025 GM car will always and forever have a 2025 vintage computer inside that can run whatever software people in 2025 will be using.
GM might update the software, maybe. But they will never install a new CPU in the car. You only get the new CPU chips if you upgrade the iPhone ever 3 or 4 years.
Please re-read your own post. You are making a case to why the car companies don’t have the incentive to support CarPlay while ignoring the fact that the consumer preferences and competition drive the market and saying “the consumer is wrong” seldom helps. That’s the incentive.
The car interface will become increasingly OS-like and both the manufacturers and Apple recognize that. CarPlay will be more and more integrated with car systems. The consumers want CarPlay. The market leaders (Toyota and Volkswagen) support CarPlay. Unless either of these factors change, anything else no matter how well explained is irrelevant.
Me too. CarPlay is essential. We've got a Honda and a Jeep and CarPlay is in constant use in both of them. Car companies need to not act like software companies.
I disagree. CarPlay is SUPER limited. If I just want to listen to the regular radio I have to leave it. No way to adjust EQ settings... at least in the version I have. I can't imagine it is going to suddenly adjust temp and show your gas mileage.