Gmail Fetch (iOS 9)..

RWil85

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Gmail has always worked flawlessly on my phone.

I know it's on a Fetch (and will grab mail every ~15mins or so) schedule - and has religiously done so.

I have two Gmail accounts on my phone – one for home one for work. My work email stopped working altogether after the update – I was getting an IMAP error. So, I deleted the account – re-added it – and all seem to be working fine. Now I've noticed that both accounts – seemingly will not fetch and then will dump 10 to 20 emails on me at a Time after I go into the app and manually refresh.

What's the deal? Is anybody else experiencing this?
 

Shikaka

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I noticed that too after updating. I thought it was the server or something. I've also been getting a lot failed sent messages.
 

Traverse

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I had this problem in iOS 8.4.1 too. I tried deleting and re adding the account in iOS 8.4.1 and iOS 9, but it still doesn't fetcher reliably at night.

I hate having to use two different email apps. What's odd is that it appears to work fine during the day, but when I get up between 8-9am, and check my mail, it says "last updated 12:45am" or something and then I suddenly get 8 hours worth of email.
 

RWil85

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Thanks for all of the feedback.

Driving me crazy as I need my email to be reliable.

I hate these, seemingly, half-baked software releases.

It's one thing to get a little lag here or there, etc - but, to nuke vital services is ridiculous. I haven't seen an official notice of anything from Apple/Google either pertaining to this.
 

Traverse

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Thanks for all of the feedback.

Driving me crazy as I need my email to be reliable.

I hate these, seemingly, half-baked software releases.

It's one thing to get a little lag here or there, etc - but, to nuke vital services is ridiculous. I haven't seen an official notice of anything from Apple/Google either pertaining to this.
The only feasible alternative right now is to use the Gmail app with push notifications enabled. That has worked flawlessly for me, but I would much prefer to just have one built-in email application.
 

RWil85

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The only feasible alternative right now is to use the Gmail app with push notifications enabled. That has worked flawlessly for me, but I would much prefer to just have one built-in email application.
Agreed. I was using 'CloudMagic' which seemed promising - they provided push. They ended up having some temporary server issues - so, I ended up going back to using Mail (and I like the way Mail ties in with Siri's new 'remind me about this' functionality).

Eh, we'll see.
 

C DM

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Thanks for all of the feedback.

Driving me crazy as I need my email to be reliable.

I hate these, seemingly, half-baked software releases.

It's one thing to get a little lag here or there, etc - but, to nuke vital services is ridiculous. I haven't seen an official notice of anything from Apple/Google either pertaining to this.
Perhaps most people aren't having these issues and they are more isolated as they often are on pretty much any given day?
 

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Perhaps most people aren't having these issues and they are more isolated as they often are on pretty much any given day?
That's what I'm suspicious about. Fetch works fine during the day, but at night it just stops. I wonder if this has something to do with iOS' intelligent background stuff. It's always during the first hour of the day that it updates for the last time before I check it at 8am or so.
 

RWil85

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Update:

Thought all was back to normal as my Personal Gmail account was fetching yesterday throughout the day every 15 minutes or so.

However, upon refreshing manually this morning at about 10:30am - it brought up emails from as early as 6:08am.

I don't know what it is - but, I don't like it..lol
 

Traverse

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Update:

Thought all was back to normal as my Personal Gmail account was fetching yesterday throughout the day every 15 minutes or so.

However, upon refreshing manually this morning at about 10:30am - it brought up emails from as early as 6:08am.

I don't know what it is - but, I don't like it..lol
Exactly the same for me and I've tried all the trouble shooting I can. The reason, I believe, is Gmails weird IMAP implementation, but the fault is on Apple because their app should be able to ping the server.

It works randomly for me so for right now I have the Gmail app set to push. Sometimes when I check my lock screen I see the same email from the Mail app and the Gmail app, but usually the Gmail app is much faster, but I always reply and handle my business in the stock Apple Mail app.
 

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Yeah, since Gmail changed the way they authenticate accounts via OAuth, partly to kind of screw Apple/force people into using their app, using Mail on the iPhone isn't a good solution these days.

Many of the 3rd Party mail apps are decent. I like Boxer the best. Cloud Magic is nice but they don't have alias support so it was a non-starter. Both are still better than the official Gmail app since they can connect to things like Dropbox and have a unified Inbox.
 

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Yeah, since Gmail changed the way they authenticate accounts via OAuth, partly to kind of screw Apple/force people into using their app, using Mail on the iPhone isn't a good solution these days.

Many of the 3rd Party mail apps are decent. I like Boxer the best. Cloud Magic is nice but they don't have alias support so it was a non-starter. Both are still better than the official Gmail app since they can connect to things like Dropbox and have a unified Inbox.
WEll, when I got up this morning, my gmail inbox said "Last Update Yesterday." And then it suddenly got several emails. Now (during the day), it's fetching like normal. I don't get it.
 

C DM

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WEll, when I got up this morning, my gmail inbox said "Last Update Yesterday." And then it suddenly got several emails. Now (during the day), it's fetching like normal. I don't get it.
Perhaps some sort of background intelligence where it knows that at certain times you usually don't check the phone and it doesn't fetch at those times? Kind of like background refresh employs similar type of intelligence.
 

chrispfeiffer21

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I have had this very annoying issue since 8.4, and I thought iOS 9 had fixed this, but unfortunately (as this thread proves), no dice.

I switched to Outlook's app, which is actually very decent, and works especially well with my work's Office365 email, but also does a top notch job with Gmail. It has an Apple Watch companion app as well, for those of you who might want that.
 

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Perhaps some sort of background intelligence where it knows that at certain times you usually don't check the phone and it doesn't fetch at those times? Kind of like background refresh employs similar type of intelligence.
That is my assumption, but I don't like it because the normal fetch doesn't continue until I manually check the app at least once. Whether I wake up at 6:30am or 10am, it still hasn't been updated since around midnight the night before, but there is a pattern so I think it is some kind of iOS power saver feature.
 

iWaldo

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All of my Gmail and Yahoo! accounts have started breaking after a while since I upgraded. I have to delete them and re-add them to get them working, then a couple days or less later they'll stop working again.

Something's screwy with Mail. I hope iOS 9.0.2 fixes this.
 

RWil85

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Yeah, since Gmail changed the way they authenticate accounts via OAuth, partly to kind of screw Apple/force people into using their app, using Mail on the iPhone isn't a good solution these days.

Many of the 3rd Party mail apps are decent. I like Boxer the best. Cloud Magic is nice but they don't have alias support so it was a non-starter. Both are still better than the official Gmail app since they can connect to things like Dropbox and have a unified Inbox.
thanks for this info - figured it had to be something along these lines behind the scenes.

I feel like it might be some combo of this and some 'intelligent' feature of iOS shutting fetch down at night. Too much of a coincidence time-wise with a few others here to not think that.

This is a shame because, as far as I know, the "remind me about this" feature will not work with third party apps (?) - which is one of the reasons I went back to stock Mail.

I'll try Boxer - maybe go back to CloudMagic. Damn, never easy lol.
 

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thanks for this info - figured it had to be something along these lines behind the scenes.

I feel like it might be some combo of this and some 'intelligent' feature of iOS shutting fetch down at night. Too much of a coincidence time-wise with a few others here to not think that.

This is a shame because, as far as I know, the "remind me about this" feature will not work with third party apps (?) - which is one of the reasons I went back to stock Mail.

I'll try Boxer - maybe go back to CloudMagic. Damn, never easy lol.
Well, Google make people's lives harder with their implementation, but Apple (as a provider of a popular email client) should accommodate that. Email is critical for many people.
 

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randomly happens to me over the last several months, even with the overrated ios 8.4.1, id blame google servers before my device...

well cause, sometimes on my pc i have similar problems getting gmail to connect so..
 

Traverse

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Perhaps some sort of background intelligence where it knows that at certain times you usually don't check the phone and it doesn't fetch at those times? Kind of like background refresh employs similar type of intelligence.
thanks for this info - figured it had to be something along these lines behind the scenes.
I noticed something else curious that makes me suspect it isn't just a mail issue, but an issue with iOS power saving. When I got up at 7:30am my phone had one notification, a text from my friend "one hour ago." I know they weren't up at 6:30 and when I went in the text app, the time was 12:18am. Also, once I lit up the lock screen, my phone fetched emails that were late (my fetch is set to 15 minutes).

So there is some underlying issue here.
 

RWil85

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I noticed something else curious that makes me suspect it isn't just a mail issue, but an issue with iOS power saving. When I got up at 7:30am my phone had one notification, a text from my friend "one hour ago." I know they weren't up at 6:30 and when I went in the text app, the time was 12:18am. Also, once I lit up the lock screen, my phone fetched emails that were late (my fetch is set to 15 minutes).

So there is some underlying issue here.
That makes things substantially worse - not getting instant notification of a text/iMessage from family+friends worries me. Granted they could call - but, I'd hate for them to think I'm getting them and for them to be sitting in "iOS queue" somewhere.

Thanks guys for following through on checking this out - making some astute observations that hopefully can help pinpoint what's going on here.

Unfortunately, this also seems like the kind of issue where you won't know what's happening until it's too late. If you're on your phone late - your phone will work. It seems to be only once you've laid it down to go to bed, be idle for some reason, etc - that the device won't background refresh and you won't find out until your next unlock. Not good.
 

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I have had tons of trouble with email since iOS 9. Fetch doesn't seem to be working. Push doesn't seem to be working. I haven't tried deleting and adding anything back in but its been really annoying.
 
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