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Gone back to PC

Matty_TypeR

Matty_TypeR

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well I had my retina imac for 2 years, at the time top of the range. and looking at the way things are going and the apple price going upward, also the new mac book pro with solderd ram DDR3 old skool ram. and with a new imac release next year with most likely more old tech inside I went back to PC with win10

got a 4k screen and a beast of a build PC for the same price as new high end imac.

i7 6800k hex core
asus edition 10 rampage M/B
corsair 3600mhz DDR4
GTX 1080
M.2 Samsung pro 950
water cooled
case
power supply the whole works and sits at 4.2ghz and does all I need much much faster.

so after having mac's since the quadra to the lampshade Imac 1.25ghz its good bye to apple. for a premium company like apple to supply old tech at premium prices I ve had enough of the way apple treats its desk top user's.

and win 10 is a very good OS to boot.
 
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That's way better peformance than the iMac but I will never be able to use windows compared to macOS so I have no choice.

Just have to hope they can keep releasing acceptable machines.
 
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Matty_TypeR said:
got a 4k screen and a beast of a build PC for the same price as new high end imac.
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It has always been the case that you can get a better specced PC for the same price if you build it yourself. But then again, you will also beat Dell and any other pre-fab PC maker if you go that route.

It's simply not a fair comparison. Of course you're going to get better specs for the same price if you're not paying for a manufacturer's design, labor, overhead, warranty, tech support, etc

Also, make that 4K screen a 5k if you want an even comparison. That's a big price difference right there.
 
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too much on a desk for me...still loving the simple imac way with 1 cable and 1 unit
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Too much because it's a 21:9 screen and SONOS that take up all the room on my tiny 1.5m length desk.

Here's the neglected 27" Thunderbolt on the same size desk.
 

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Nothing happened to my Imac, it was working perfectly. but looking at priceing and the old tech in a new mac book pro I can see the way imac will be going, apple have not upgraded the mac pro for 3 years! yet still want premium price for outa date hardware. I just refuse to pay for 3 year old tech premium prices, apple focus so much on IOS devices they forget the people who supported them through thick and thin paying over the top for the apple brand.

Here we are waiting yet again for an updated imac, but knowing even the mac book pro gets old tech, I don't want it thinner and more exposed to over heating, I want new tech I can at least upgrade. DDR4 has been out over a year now, and soldered in ram! you cant even update the ram now.

Kinster you did the right thing, windows 10 is a solid OS and if you build it yourself or not there are places selling high end PC's and what you get for your money is the lastest tech. before my Imac I had a mac pro tower, a hex core, but still sata2 had to install a pcie card to get sata3 even, yet it had been out years.

When Apple want premium prices for there tech I at least expect it to be current tech, thunder bolt 1000 I don't care really, but what about the rest of the tech. looking pretty but with old skool tech I don't need.
 
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Too much because it's a 21:9 screen and SONOS that take up all the room on my tiny 1.5m length desk.

Here's the neglected 27" Thunderbolt on the same size desk.
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off so much cleaner combo :) why man why you betrayed Apple? :)
 
Matty_TypeR said:
well I had my retina imac for 2 years, at the time top of the range. and looking at the way things are going and the apple price going upward, also the new mac book pro with solderd ram DDR3 old skool ram. and with a new imac release next year with most likely more old tech inside I went back to PC with win10....i7 6800k hex core....
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You made a decision on a new *desktop* machine (1) Based on Apple's *laptop* and (2) Right before the new iMac is released?

The new top-spec iMac 27 will probably have a 4.2Ghz Kaby Lake i7-7700K, which turbos to 4.5Ghz. Some preliminary benchmarks indicate faster *multicore* performance than all six-core Xeon Mac Pros, faster than most eight-core Mac Pros, and not far behind several 12-core Mac Pros. https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/583275

We don't know what GPU will be in the updated top-spec iMac 27, but it's likely it will be some version of the AMD Polaris. If it is the E9550 (essentially an embedded version of the RX 480), that is listed as about 2x the floating point performance of the M395X in the 2015 iMac: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10710/amd-announces-embedded-radeon-e9260-e9550

So while we don't yet know for certain, it seems increasingly possible the 2017 top-spec iMac will be a more substantial performance increase than any year-over-year improvement in recent history.

I am not against Windows, in fact I am typing this on a Windows machine, although I have several Macs. But making a decision on your desktop machine right before substantially upgraded iMacs are released doesn't make sense to me.
 
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Matty_TypeR said:
well I had my retina imac for 2 years, at the time top of the range. and looking at the way things are going and the apple price going upward, also the new mac book pro with solderd ram DDR3 old skool ram. and with a new imac release next year with most likely more old tech inside I went back to PC with win10

got a 4k screen and a beast of a build PC for the same price as new high end imac.

i7 6800k hex core
asus edition 10 rampage M/B
corsair 3600mhz DDR4
GTX 1080
M.2 Samsung pro 950
water cooled
case
power supply the whole works and sits at 4.2ghz and does all I need much much faster.

so after having mac's since the quadra to the lampshade Imac 1.25ghz its good bye to apple. for a premium company like apple to supply old tech at premium prices I ve had enough of the way apple treats its desk top user's.

and win 10 is a very good OS to boot.
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Been using Windows (lately 10) for about 3 years due to fund shortage. If you use it for a while, you will run into really annoying snags that will make you appreciate and wish for any mac.

Here are some examples, from my perspective, of Windows 10 fails in 2016:

  • Spring loaded folders only work on the "navigation pane" (Sidebar) - not in the actual "File Explorer" (Finder) window space - not even for "pinned" "quick access" folders (Favorites/Recent).
  • If you have a file open in an app (e.g. a .docx file open in Word) and you try to move that file to another folder in Windows Explorer (Finder) - you simply can't without quitting the App and then moving the file. It's like 1995 all over again.
  • If you move a file in Windows Explorer and then try to "Open Recent" that file in its parent app, the app can't find it (this was resolved in OS X when - Leopard?). So, you have to navigate inside the app to find and open the file at its new location.
  • Alt-Tab functionality is wack. I find that with multiple windows open, toggling doesn't default back to the most recently viewed window.
  • Updates are kind of a rogue event that simply take over your computer like it's part of a mandatory do-or-die recall.
  • Having 24/7 virus protection mucks with things and eats processor cycles, but installing software remarkably still does not require an administrative password. Without something like MalwareBytes installed - you will start to see uninvited pop-up windows that make you wonder whose computer this really is.
  • On my machine, I have to do a hard reboot maybe once a week due to crashes.
 
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Matty_TypeR said:
When Apple want premium prices for there tech I at least expect it to be current tech, thunder bolt 1000 I don't care really, but what about the rest of the tech. looking pretty but with old skool tech I don't need.
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I'm curious: What "old skool" tech do you feel the new MacBooks Pros contain? From what I know they use current technology.
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  • On my machine, I have to do a hard reboot maybe once a week due to crashes.
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Then there's something wrong with your system. As for your other annoyances I do not mean to downplay them but each platform has them. For example one thing I dislike about macOS is how the open windows shift in the dock when windows have been opened and minimized.
 
ITguy2016 said:
Then there's something wrong with your system.
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I don't purport to be a Windows 10 aficionado. My perspective is that of someone who has dealt with a lot of troubleshooting as a UNIX sys admin, and on my personal laptop the last thing I want to do is fiddle with stuff - I just "want it to work". Maybe it's something about the way I've configured this machine, but I doubt it. Anyway, if it was something I did or didn't do, then it was within the range of pretty careful use.
 
SE30 said:
I don't purport to be a Windows 10 aficionado. My perspective is that of someone who has dealt with a lot of troubleshooting as a UNIX sys admin, and on my personal laptop the last thing I want to do is fiddle with stuff - I just "want it to work". Maybe it's something about the way I've configured this machine, but I doubt it. Anyway, if it was something I did or didn't do, then it was within the range of pretty careful use.
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All of my Windows systems "just work". I don't maintain them. I don't troubleshoot them. I don't do anything other than turn them on and use them. Just like I do my Mac systems. If you have a Windows system which is constantly crashing then there's something wrong with it.
 
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Been using Windows (lately 10) for about 3 years due to fund shortage. If you use it for a while, you will run into really annoying snags that will make you appreciate and wish for any mac.

Here are some examples, from my perspective, of Windows 10 fails in 2016:

  • Spring loaded folders only work on the "navigation pane" (Sidebar) - not in the actual "File Explorer" (Finder) window space - not even for "pinned" "quick access" folders (Favorites/Recent).
  • If you have a file open in an app (e.g. a .docx file open in Word) and you try to move that file to another folder in Windows Explorer (Finder) - you simply can't without quitting the App and then moving the file. It's like 1995 all over again.
  • If you move a file in Windows Explorer and then try to "Open Recent" that file in its parent app, the app can't find it (this was resolved in OS X when - Leopard?). So, you have to navigate inside the app to find and open the file at its new location.
  • Alt-Tab functionality is wack. I find that with multiple windows open, toggling doesn't default back to the most recently viewed window.
  • Updates are kind of a rogue event that simply take over your computer like it's part of a mandatory do-or-die recall.
  • Having 24/7 virus protection mucks with things and eats processor cycles, but installing software remarkably still does not require an administrative password. Without something like MalwareBytes installed - you will start to see uninvited pop-up windows that make you wonder whose computer this really is.
  • On my machine, I have to do a hard reboot maybe once a week due to crashes.
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This sums up so well why I hate Windows so much (even windows 10).

So, so much.

These are all of the things the Windows 10 fanboys on this forum aren't noticing.
 
On my 2011 imac I run exclusively windows 10. I don't remember when I did the last reboot. When I leave work I just put the computer to sleep and wake it in the morning when I come back. It still runs super fast.
 
On my work machine - OS X and virtualized Windows. On my desktop, home-built PC - Windows only. I prefer OS X for work and Windows for play or as a secondary work machine. I have had way more PCs than Macs, but that's because I do not really need more than one or two Macs around for work. At no point of time did I intend on isolating myself to any one of the major operating systems, just to stay informed.
 
kgian said:
On my 2011 imac I run exclusively windows 10. I don't remember when I did the last reboot. When I leave work I just put the computer to sleep and wake it in the morning when I come back. It still runs super fast.
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I'm using windows 10, on my iMac right now, and its been a very positive experience. I have no complaints.

Yes, its different then OS X, some of those differences are for the better, some are not. But then OS X isn't perfect and windows 10 does some things better then OS X.
 
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OS X is well and good, but not for everybody. I own and manage 6 computers in my office and family. All of them are windows PCs, except the aforementioned iMac. Windows just feels natural for me. On the other hand, people who have just one personal computer find the switch to OS X easy and beneficial. I really like my windows iMac though. It still is a beautiful silent efficient machine.
 
Tim Cook is exactly like Obama. Tim is a good PC salesman. I too went the route the OP went. (Obama greatest gun salesman). iMac's are fun machines. But now more then ever the tech inside is horrible for the money.
 
My work have used a dumbed down version of Windows Server on our Citrix virtual client machines for years, but this year they have changed all our clients to standalone desktop machines with Windows 10 on, so for the last 4 months I have had the opportunity to get to grips with Windows again and I have been pleasantly surprised,

I had been expecting the worse with the updates to the MBP's and the Price was the straw that broke the camels back with me, to be fair I might have took the bait if it wasn't for that but to be honest the specs didn't do it justice anyway.

I am currently spec'ing my own build and getting to grips with Windows hardware/components again before purchasing.

I must say Windows 10 performs great for me at work, there are some things I don't like but then again there are some things I don't like on OSX.

I will miss quite a few things on OSX but I will gain a wider catalogue of apps and games and such I have missed whilst using OSX since 2011.

The 1 thing that is really devastating about going back to Windows is.... Virus's / Malware and general security. I am a sensible and cautious user anyway but no matter how sensible you are about where you download from and what emails you read or where you browse Windows is and probably always will be a security nightmare.

We seem to have a sensible discussion going on here, rather than fanboys slinging mud so can anyone recommend a good non CPU/RAM hog Antivirus protection for Windows nowadays? I used to use NOD32 back in 2011 but that was going down hill back then.
 
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