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There just really isn't any competition for Samsung in the SSD sector yet is there? I wonder how it will perform without the SATA bottleneck on a PCIe board. For those that can't be bothered to read the article, Samsung was able to achieve this by rolling out 48-layer 256Gbit TLC 3D NAND chips. A lot of exciting stuff happing in flash storage as of late.

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The 4TB Samsung 850 EVO set new highs for a few performance sub-tests, but ultimately the only important record it breaks is for its storage capacity. On that front it is without equal in the consumer market and even among enterprise SATA drives higher capacities are only available from drives that are more than 7mm thick.

Samsung's new 256Gb 48-layer V-NAND chips made it straightforward for them to create this product, but it doesn't quite seem necessary. We were already quite impressed with their 2TB drives, and they still don't face any serious competition. The 4TB 850 EVO is a stark illustration of Samsung's seemingly insurmountable lead in the marketplace, but it is far too expensive for any ordinary desktop or NAS use. There simply aren't many consumers who can afford this much SSD, but if you're a consumer with the budget for 4TB of SSD storage the 850 EVO can deliver it in a single 2.5" drive with none of the complexity of RAID. The drive may also be very welcome in the professional video space, but the relatively low write endurance rating of 300TB (75 total drive writes) could scare off those customers.

Putting aside the concerns about the suitability of this drive for today's market, it is a good sign for the future. Samsung is finally putting their new generation of 3D NAND on shelves in large quantities. As promised it doesn't seem to bring any new performance issues, but a SATA drive can't really prove that conclusively. The improvements to power efficiency are modest but real and every bit of that will be welcome as the 48-layer V-NAND finds its way into the rest of the product line. It is hard to tell whether the new V-NAND will be pushing prices much lower in the short term, but it looks like it will at least be competitive with what's already out there. Samsung is well positioned to continue their dominance for another round.

The 4TB 850 EVO also gives us another light push towards a future where mechanical hard drives are gone from the consumer market. Building a SSD that can entirely displace hard drives is now possible using controllers and DRAM that are cheap commodity parts. (SSDs larger than 4TB could be made using two controllers plus a RAID controller at the cost of some peak performance, a technique used by drives like the 2TB Mushkin Reactor TC.) The per-GB price of NAND flash is the only front on which SSDs still need to improve; SSDs have far surpassed mechanical hard drives in performance and power consumption and have caught up in terms of capacity and density.

The performance of the 4TB 850 EVO also makes it clear that there is even less need for a 4TB 850 Pro. An MLC counterpart simply isn't needed to reach the highest speeds that can be expected of a SATA drive, because 3D TLC drive done right and in such abundant capacity is plenty fast. The only reason Samsung should bother shipping a 4TB 850 Pro is if they're going to give it a vastly higher write endurance rating for a small price premium. Otherwise, they should save that new 3D MLC for the PCIe drives.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10481/the-samsung-850-evo-4tb-ssd-review
 
At some point SSD drives will come down to the point of replacing traditional hard drives. Still, I have sticker shock at the 4tb drive right now, but who knows, in 5 years 4tb might be a minimum SSD starting point for $100 or so.

I think the traditional 2.5 HDD form factor will give way to something more compact too. Look at all the wasted space in that picture of the internal of the drive. I can see why Apple is switching to a "blade" style solid state drive for some of their computers. (Unfortunately for upgrades, they are also just putting the bare chips on the motherboard in some models as well.)
 
Read it has a $1500 price tag on it right now.

That's one expensive flash storage ? I wouldn't wanna be even thinking of doing secure erases on this. i don't mind on cheaper flash storage like Apple's.. I can't seem to wear it out no matter how many secure writes i try.
 
While the prices will eventually be on par with what platter drives are, we won't see that until computers stop shipping with traditional platter HDDs. While Apple has shifted their whole lineup to SSD storage, they still sell that lone MBP with a 5400 RPM drive. If you walk into a Best Buy, some of the laptops and desktops still use the platter HDD.

Taking a look at the Samsung EVO 850, the price dropped a bit but is still selling for over $200 CAD.
 
well, my first pc (386) had (has) 80mb harddisk :p and we were making jokes about terabytes then... and now there are small chips having those terabytes.
 
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Wow. Memories.

I remember reading this sort of stuff on train journeys in the mid 90s, and dreaming about a laptop (at the time I had a desktop, the only desktop I have ever owned) with 120MB - or even 200MB - as an impossible and out-of-reach - and utterly unaffordable - ideal.

Those were the days! Remember reading through the really big computer book called "Computer Shopper" I believe. Loved looking through it and dreaming! Eight megs of ram! Holy smokes that is a ton!!!!!!! haha

Yes, I remember that too.

well, my first pc (386) had (has) 80mb harddisk :p and we were making jokes about terabytes then... and now there are small chips having those terabytes.

My first computer (the desktop mentioned above) had an almost identical configuration.

Yes, it was supposed to have been some sort of enhanced 386, with 80MB HDD. Gosh.
 
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I remember when my husband and I were dating. He bought me a 20MB hard drive for my PC. (I think it was a 486.) I was overwhelmed because he'd spent so much. It was well over $200. Of course I figured if he was willing to indulge my geek side, he was a keeper.
 
Samsung's 1 TB 840 Evo debuted in late 2013 for about $700. This is actually a steal in retrospect.

Given the very rapid way that memory sticks came down in price, while increasing volume of storage - I remember when they cost a fortune - I would not be surprised to see this become a lot more affordable in another year or so.
Quite true. I recall spending around $55 for a 1 GB stick of Kingston in 2006.
 
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