good hard disk cloning app?

zen.state

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I need to clone the contents of a 120gb (with 45gb free) onto an 80gb. found carbon copy cloner and mim mac on macupdate.com. either of these ok or is there a better one?

never cloned a drive before..

thanks in advance :)
 

andiwm2003

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superduper works with tiger. the basic features are free and you can do all you need with the basic features. i still paid for it. it's that good.

andi
 

slooksterPSV

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NetRestore - if you are trying to make a bootable copy. - IF UNDER TIGER YOU MUST DO THIS TO OPEN IT:
1)Open Terminal
2)Change directories to where NetRestore is located
3)type in: sudo open ./NetRestore.app
4)Clone from HD1 to HD2
 

zen.state

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andiwm2003 said:
superduper works with tiger. the basic features are free and you can do all you need with the basic features. i still paid for it. it's that good.

andi
thanks. superduper seems to be liked a lot. will it make a bootable clone?
 

idea_hamster

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pdpfilms said:
Will superduper! or cabon copy cloner make a bootable clone?
If the original disc is bootable, then the clone should be as well. While I have used CCC in the (distant) past for a back-up that I needed to boot from (and it did, in fact, boot), I haven't used SD for this. However, I would be shocked -- shocked, I say! -- if I a SD clone couldn't boot.

The only thing that I would say is to be certain that you clone your disk to entire disc or partition, rather than to a disc image. I'm not sure that a disc image is bootable -- although someone else may correct me....
 

slooksterPSV

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The only way at my school we could get Tiger to clone onto other hard drives, was by using NetRestore so thats how I know it works better than CCC. CCC on Panther will make a cloned hard drive that will boot, but on Tiger NetRestore does it for sure. No guessing on what files you do and don't have.
 

pna

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You can always use the built in 'disk utility' as well. I don't think it allows you to make an image or clone while you're booted into the partition you want to clone, but you can easily boot off of the install dvd, run disk utility, and do a 'restore' of the hard drive you want to clone to the new hard drive. The resulting clone is bootable, and works fine. Going from a larger hard drive to a smaller should be fine, provided everything on the larger hard drive doesn't have more stuff on it than will fit on the smaller one.
 

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pna said:
You can always use the built in 'disk utility' as well. I don't think it allows you to make an image or clone while you're booted into the partition you want to clone (...)
Actually, you can clone the volume/partition you're booted into.
 

pubwvj

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I use and love Carbon Copy Cloner. Unfortunately under Tiger it is not acting well. But the developer is aware of the problem and is fixing it. Soon...
 

RacerX

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pubwvj said:
I use and love Carbon Copy Cloner. Unfortunately under Tiger it is not acting well. But the developer is aware of the problem and is fixing it. Soon...
So did Mike* say if he was going to fix Carbon Copy Cloner or Mac OS X? ;)

The cloning function in Disk Utility (added in Mac OS X v10.3) works quite nicely. I've used it on a couple clients systems.






* Mike Bombich is a systems engineer at Apple these days. Oddly enough, his employment started just before Apple added the cloning ability to Disk Utility.
 

cardiac dave

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pna said:
You can always use the built in 'disk utility' as well. I don't think it allows you to make an image or clone while you're booted into the partition you want to clone, but you can easily boot off of the install dvd, run disk utility, and do a 'restore' of the hard drive you want to clone to the new hard drive. The resulting clone is bootable, and works fine. Going from a larger hard drive to a smaller should be fine, provided everything on the larger hard drive doesn't have more stuff on it than will fit on the smaller one.
I vote for this too. It works.
 

Black&Tan

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An other vote for SuperDuper. I used the program under demo mode and was able to clone my G5 hard drive (about 120 gigs) in under 30 minutes. If you register the copy, you can do incremental copies, which will only copy over new or changed files. Also, included as extras, is a scheduled backup application. Haven't tried it yet, but so far, have been very impressed.
 

macdad2

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another vote for SuperDuper! I performed a smart clone last night - 45 gigs backed up in 8 minutes. Of course, the basic version (un-registered) worked really well too - but it re-clones your entire hard drive each time you backup. Smart backup was well worth the registration fee to me ($19.95 us). And the interface is really great.
 

pna

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the future said:
Actually, you can clone the volume/partition you're booted into.

Hmm -- you're right, I hadn't realized this. I think I had tried to make a disk image from the disk I was running from, and got the 'the source disk is busy' error. This happened even when I was storing the created image on an external drive. I assumed this would be the case if I were to want to do a restore/clone to that external disk as well, but you're right, it works fine.

Anyone know a way to make a disk image of a mounted volume?
 

pna

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Ahh, I spoke too quickly. The restore bombed out with a 'file does not exist' error on me. I hadn't deleted anything whilst it was copying, so I don't know what it had a problem with.

Looks like it's back to cloning after booting off of the dvd for me. Too bad.
 

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pna said:
Hmm -- you're right, I hadn't realized this. I think I had tried to make a disk image from the disk I was running from, and got the 'the source disk is busy' error. This happened even when I was storing the created image on an external drive. I assumed this would be the case if I were to want to do a restore/clone to that external disk as well, but you're right, it works fine.

Anyone know a way to make a disk image of a mounted volume?
NetRestore.app
Run it as root via from Terminal, you can make a fully bootable copy of your system on another (external or internal) hard disk.
 

pna

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slooksterPSV said:
NetRestore.app
Run it as root via from Terminal, you can make a fully bootable copy of your system on another (external or internal) hard disk.
And this will work even if I'm booted off of the system drive I'm attempting to clone? What does it do differently than the disk utility 'create image from disk' feature?

thanks for the tip!
 

slooksterPSV

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pna said:
And this will work even if I'm booted off of the system drive I'm attempting to clone? What does it do differently than the disk utility 'create image from disk' feature?

thanks for the tip!
1. Yes, it will work a lot better than Disk Utility
2. Disk Utility just doesn't copy everything like it should. I tried to do a backup on Tiger at my school using it, not one of the computers (after I reimaged it) would boot up using it. I finally had to use NetRestore, and I don't know what it does differently, maybe copy byte for byte or something, but it does it and it works. I checked my hard drive sizes after the disk utility trial to see how much space I could compare too, I was missing 1GB of files, On NetRestore, I was missing like a few MB or KB's, which is understandable considering log files and fragmentation. NetRestore just works.
 

ham_man

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Another vote here for SuperDuper! I just purchased this app, and I must say that it was worth it. The custom scripts, the nice GUI, the speed - everything was up to par. Plus, I love to support small time developers like this, cause I wouldn't mind being one someday. I just wonder what features version 2.0 wilt bring...
 

pna

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slooksterPSV said:
1. Yes, it will work a lot better than Disk Utility
2. Disk Utility just doesn't copy everything like it should. I tried to do a backup on Tiger at my school using it, not one of the computers (after I reimaged it) would boot up using it. I finally had to use NetRestore, and I don't know what it does differently, maybe copy byte for byte or something, but it does it and it works. I checked my hard drive sizes after the disk utility trial to see how much space I could compare too, I was missing 1GB of files, On NetRestore, I was missing like a few MB or KB's, which is understandable considering log files and fragmentation. NetRestore just works.
Ok -- I'll check it out. I had no problems booting off of an image I created with disk utility, provided I created the image while booted off of the install dvd, which I assume is what you were doing as well, no? Strange that it would be so entirely broken for you. Now I'm glad it threw an error instead of just giving me an incomplete copy.