iPhone 8/Plus Goodbye Android....

[BiggAW]

There's nothing that ties Knox to the Korean market. There are some valid security advantages for using it and it was some years ago when the US Department of Defense added various Knox-enabled Samsung models to their list of approved devices, which is most likely quite a short list.

In addition, I'm not Korean and not using Samsung everything and still I'm running Knox for reasons stated in a post above.

If it were designed for the US market, it would be a flop. Unless it's just a flop.

 

[FFR]

If it were designed for the US market, it would be a flop. Unless it's just a flop.

Knox is Pretty much a flop just like tizen.
If you care about security you get an iPhone.

 

[BiggAW]

Knox is Pretty much a flop just like tizen.
If you care about security you get an iPhone.

Yeah, that's what I figured. Samsung is massive and highly successful, and they can afford to throw some stuff at the wall.

 

[mib1800]

If it were designed for the US market, it would be a flop. Unless it's just a flop.

Dont really care about the entreprise use of Knox. For personal, Knox is used in Secure Folder capability in Galaxy. Secure Folder, imo is a security measure that trumps Iphone. Secure Folder gives me an environment (phone-in-phone) in which I isolate my most critical apps/accounts/data (like banking apps) of which security is very important to me. I am pretty sure this environment is isolated and secured from all the hundreds of apps I have in the phone (off which some maybe info stealing or potential malware apps).

Iphone security maybe good but all your critical apps/accounts/data are lumped together with all your other games/typical apps. If you inadvertantly install an info-stealing app (like facebook 🙂 ), all your security control goes down the drain. It doesnt matter how good iphone security protects you from outside but most users will at one time or other unknowingly open the door wide and let some of these NSFW apps in. Like it or not users keep installing apps in iphone as times goes by. Some apps will ask for location/contact/other critical info access and users will typically give those permissions as they want to continue to use that app.

That's why I really like Secure Folder capability in Galaxy. It gives me a isolated secured virtual phone embedded into my current phone. I can do whatever with my phone without worry knowing my critical stuff is protected in Secure Folder Knox.

 

[rui no onna]

Dont really care about the entreprise use of Knox. For personal, Knox is used in Secure Folder capability in Galaxy. Secure Folder, imo is a security measure that trumps Iphone. Secure Folder gives me an environment (phone-in-phone) in which I isolate my most critical apps/accounts/data (like banking apps) of which security is very important to me. I am pretty sure this environment is isolated and secured from all the hundreds of apps I have in the phone (off which some maybe info stealing or potential malware apps).

Iphone security maybe good but all your critical apps/accounts/data are lumped together with all your other games/typical apps. If you inadvertantly install an info-stealing app (like facebook 🙂 ), all your security control goes down the drain. It doesnt matter how good iphone security protects you from outside but most users will at one time or other unknowingly open the door wide and let some of these NSFW apps in. Like it or not users keep installing apps in iphone as times goes by. Some apps will ask for location/contact/other critical info access and users will typically give those permissions as they want to continue to use that app.

That's why I really like Secure Folder capability in Galaxy. It gives me a isolated secured virtual phone embedded into my current phone. I can do whatever with my phone without worry knowing my critical stuff is protected in Secure Folder Knox.

Aren't apps already sandboxed by design on iOS with no data sharing between apps other than by explicit sharing through share sheet and iCloud?

 

[Shanghaichica]

Knox is Pretty much a flop just like tizen.
If you care about security you get an iPhone.

Yes if you really care about security/privacy then you should get an iPhone.
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Dont really care about the entreprise use of Knox. For personal, Knox is used in Secure Folder capability in Galaxy. Secure Folder, imo is a security measure that trumps Iphone. Secure Folder gives me an environment (phone-in-phone) in which I isolate my most critical apps/accounts/data (like banking apps) of which security is very important to me. I am pretty sure this environment is isolated and secured from all the hundreds of apps I have in the phone (off which some maybe info stealing or potential malware apps).

Iphone security maybe good but all your critical apps/accounts/data are lumped together with all your other games/typical apps. If you inadvertantly install an info-stealing app (like facebook 🙂 ), all your security control goes down the drain. It doesnt matter how good iphone security protects you from outside but most users will at one time or other unknowingly open the door wide and let some of these NSFW apps in. Like it or not users keep installing apps in iphone as times goes by. Some apps will ask for location/contact/other critical info access and users will typically give those permissions as they want to continue to use that app.

That's why I really like Secure Folder capability in Galaxy. It gives me a isolated secured virtual phone embedded into my current phone. I can do whatever with my phone without worry knowing my critical stuff is protected in Secure Folder Knox.

Depends what you are doing in the secure folder. I can secure my private photos and information in the notes app by locking the sensitive information. It can only be accessed via Face ID (iPhone) and by Touch ID on my iPads.

 

[mib1800]

Aren't apps already sandboxed by design on iOS with no data sharing between apps other than by explicit sharing through share sheet and iCloud?

Depends what you are doing in the secure folder. I can secure my private photos and information in the notes app by locking the sensitive information. It can only be accessed via Face ID (iPhone) and by Touch ID on my iPads.

Like I said, you can sandbox/isolate apps or encrypt your data or be extra careful about sharing in your iphone but still all these apps/data are running and residing in the same instance of ios/phone. Any nefarious app running here can exploit hidden and undiscovered weaknesses in ios or user stupidity and gained access to ALL your data.

Secure Folder is like having another phone/operating system running inside your current phone. The Secure Folder "phone" is Knox protected and its data/apps are totally not in the same space as your phone. I can use the Camera app in Secure Folder to take a picture and this picture resides in Secure Folder photo album and NOT the photo album of the phone.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Like I said, you can sandbox/isolate apps or encrypt your data or be extra careful about sharing in your iphone but still all these apps/data are running and residing in the same instance of ios/phone. Any nefarious app running here can exploit hidden and undiscovered weaknesses in ios or user stupidity and gained access to ALL your data.

Secure Folder is like having another phone/operating system running inside your current phone. The Secure Folder "phone" is Knox protected and its data/apps are totally not in the same space as your phone. I can use the Camera app in Secure Folder to take a picture and this picture resides in Secure Folder photo album and NOT the photo album of the phone.

Yes having a secure folder is more complete. I have the S9 plus as well. Huwawei go one step better by allowing you to have a completely different log in secured by fingerprint.

I’ve deleted photos from my camera roll and placed them in a locked note on my iPhone so they don’t show in my regular photo app. And they are only pics of myself at hospital giving birth to my second child.

 

[mib1800]

Yes having a secure folder is more complete. I have the S9 plus as well. Huwawei go one step better by allowing you to have a completely different log in secured by fingerprint.

I’ve deleted photos from my camera roll and placed them in a locked note on my iPhone so they don’t show in my regular photo app. And they are only pics of myself at hospital giving birth to my second child.

Think you can have a separate login in secure folder. I like secure folder implementation better because it is an embedded knox secured separate instance instead of "multi user" login implemented by others. With Secure Folder you can move info in and out with ease.

I’ve deleted photos from my camera roll and placed them in a locked note on my iPhone so they don’t show in my regular photo app. And they are only pics of myself at hospital giving birth to my second child.

With Secure Folder you don't have to remember over and over to encrypt your data manually like what you did with iPhone.

 

[FFR]

Think you can have a separate login in secure folder. I like secure folder implementation better because it is an embedded knox secured separate instance instead of "multi user" login implemented by others. With Secure Folder you can move info in and out with ease.


With Secure Folder you don't have to remember over and over to encrypt your data manually like what you did with iPhone.

Seems cumbersome and time consuming two manage and operate a Samsung phone and Knox.
I understand why very few people actually use it.

iPhones a have been encrypted out of the box since going 64 bit, they don’t need to encrypt their data “manually” like you claim (doesn’t sound like you have actually used an iPhone).

 

[BiggAW]

Dont really care about the entreprise use of Knox. For personal, Knox is used in Secure Folder capability in Galaxy. Secure Folder, imo is a security measure that trumps Iphone. Secure Folder gives me an environment (phone-in-phone) in which I isolate my most critical apps/accounts/data (like banking apps) of which security is very important to me. I am pretty sure this environment is isolated and secured from all the hundreds of apps I have in the phone (off which some maybe info stealing or potential malware apps).

Iphone security maybe good but all your critical apps/accounts/data are lumped together with all your other games/typical apps. If you inadvertantly install an info-stealing app (like facebook 🙂 ), all your security control goes down the drain. It doesnt matter how good iphone security protects you from outside but most users will at one time or other unknowingly open the door wide and let some of these NSFW apps in. Like it or not users keep installing apps in iphone as times goes by. Some apps will ask for location/contact/other critical info access and users will typically give those permissions as they want to continue to use that app.

That's why I really like Secure Folder capability in Galaxy. It gives me a isolated secured virtual phone embedded into my current phone. I can do whatever with my phone without worry knowing my critical stuff is protected in Secure Folder Knox.

If you're that paranoid, you should wear a brass mesh hat, and only do business in person. 😱

Banking apps and similar apps are already secured within the app, there's no reason to put it in Knox. Also, you should not install apps from shady sources in the first place.

iOS has much better control over what apps are doing, and is much more restrictive than Android. It's a trade-off, as iOS apps can't do stuff like chat bubbles, but they are inherently much more secure than Android. I love Android, but I'm not going to claim it's anywhere close to as well thought out as iOS from a security and privacy perspective.

 

[mib1800]

If you're that paranoid, you should wear a brass mesh hat, and only do business in person. 😱

Banking apps and similar apps are already secured within the app, there's no reason to put it in Knox. Also, you should not install apps from shady sources in the first place.

iOS has much better control over what apps are doing, and is much more restrictive than Android. It's a trade-off, as iOS apps can't do stuff like chat bubbles, but they are inherently much more secure than Android. I love Android, but I'm not going to claim it's anywhere close to as well thought out as iOS from a security and privacy perspective.

I'm not being paranoid. You seems to be about Android security. Android is secured enough for everyday use for everyone. To say otherwise is just spreading FUD. Windows has lots of vulnerabilities, hackers and viruses too.

I like Secure Folder for mainly because it gives me a second phone environment in the phone which I can use to separate my uses. Of course it has added layer of security is the icing. I run my banking, business email/social network/media apps here. I also put other important/confidential information here. And it is so simple to activate/use. Click an icon and enter credential (which can different from your phone) and you are presented with a launcher for all your secured apps. Added bonus is that you can have 2 copies of the same app running with different accounts 🙂

Secure Folder gives a better and simpler enhanced security than what your iPhone/Android provides doesnt matter how secured the o/s is. E.g How many times have you let your loved ones use your phone? Or you pass around your phone to show photos. Or how many times you simply click accept when asked for permissions? Or how many times you visit some not so safe websites?

 

[kevink2]

iOS11 doesn't make users needing to factory reset their iPhones on a regular basis (which is what the OP experienced).
Planned obsolescence? Android is the king of planned obsolescence, where OEMs don't even bother pushing monthly security updates.

I have a couple Android based phones around here. A Moto E4 (low end) and G5 Plus (mid). Don't expect to get a major OS update for either, though both occasionally come out with a security update. But the phone I carry is my iPhone X. The E4 is my "home" phone 🙂

android seems better overall than previous phones i've tried years ago.

 

[Shanghaichica]

iOS11 doesn't make users needing to factory reset their iPhones on a regular basis (which is what the OP experienced).
Planned obsolescence? Android is the king of planned obsolescence, where OEMs don't even bother pushing monthly security updates.

There nothing wrong with iOS 11. However flagship android phones do get two software updates and also security updates although in both cases you have to wait a while for them.

But I do agree android OEMs including google should be supporting their flagships for longer. I find it quite poor that a phone bought in 2018 will only be supported until 2020 or 2021. But it is what it is.

 

[pika2000]

There nothing wrong with iOS 11. However flagship android phones do get two software updates and also security updates although in both cases you have to wait a while for them.

But I do agree android OEMs including google should be supporting their flagships for longer. I find it quite poor that a phone bought in 2018 will only be supported until 2020 or 2021. But it is what it is.

Thus it makes no sense to pay a premium for an Android phone as the per-day cost for its supported life can actually be higher than iPhones. For Android, I maintain that it is better buying the cheap ~$200 phones, $300 - $400 max. That way, you can replace them more often to keep being up-to-date and don't break the bank. The likes of Samsung Galaxy S is only for status symbol.
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I have a couple Android based phones around here. A Moto E4 (low end) and G5 Plus (mid). Don't expect to get a major OS update for either, though both occasionally come out with a security update. But the phone I carry is my iPhone X. The E4 is my "home" phone 🙂

android seems better overall than previous phones i've tried years ago.

Definitely! A $200 Android phone today is a ton better than a $200 Android phone years ago. Thus it brings back to my point of why pay premium for an Android phone when a cheap one can do 90% of the job well for a lot less.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Thus it makes no sense to pay a premium for an Android phone as the per-day cost for its supported life can actually be higher than iPhones. For Android, I maintain that it is better buying the cheap ~$200 phones, $300 - $400 max. That way, you can replace them more often to keep being up-to-date and don't break the bank. The likes of Samsung Galaxy S is only for status symbol.
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Definitely! A $200 Android phone today is a ton better than a $200 Android phone years ago. Thus it brings back to my point of why pay premium for an Android phone when a cheap one can do 90% of the job well for a lot less.

Well I disagree because I'd rather pay extra for better hardware and more software features.

 

[Roadstar]

Well I disagree because I'd rather pay extra for better hardware and more software features.

Same here. I rather acknowledge that the Android I bought isn't the optimal bang for the buck than look at a bad photo and think "well, at least I saved some money".

But still I do enjoy the fact that on my iPhone I get both premium experience and excellent software support when the price per year ratio is concerned.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Same here. I rather acknowledge that the Android I bought isn't the optimal bang for the buck than look at a bad photo and think "well, at least I saved some money".

But still I do enjoy the fact that on my iPhone I get both premium experience and excellent software support when the price per year ratio is concerned.

Oh yes you can't beat the iphone on either front. Apart from the smaller screen size going from my 7 plus to the X, I can't say there are any compromises, which is why I'm willing to pay even more for an iPhone than a flagship smashing phone.

 

[pika2000]

Well I disagree because I'd rather pay extra for better hardware and more software features.

I don’t care if you want to pay more for brand and status symbol, your choice.

But it is laughable to claim the likes of Samsung having hardware and software worthy of double or triple the prices of the other Android phones that run the same apps and have similar life cycle.
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Same here. I rather acknowledge that the Android I bought isn't the optimal bang for the buck than look at a bad photo and think "well, at least I saved some money".

But still I do enjoy the fact that on my iPhone I get both premium experience and excellent software support when the price per year ratio is concerned.

This. The sad part is premium Android phones don’t deliver this part. Thus the extra value people are giving them is just fluff, be it the brand, status, etc. They channel those margins not to support the existing phones, but for the marketing of newer phones instead.

So at premium price point, might as well get an iPhone.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I don’t care if you want to pay more for brand and status symbol, your choice.

But it is laughable to claim the likes of Samsung having hardware and software worthy of double or triple the prices of the other Android phones that run the same apps and have similar life cycle.
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This. The sad part is premium Android phones don’t deliver this part. Thus the extra value people are giving them is just fluff, be it the brand, status, etc. They channel those margins not to support the existing phones, but for the marketing of newer phones instead.

So at premium price point, might as well get an iPhone.

It’s not about brand or status symbols. A flagship android device has better hardware than a budget one that’s a fact.

Many android phones have better hardware than the iPhone X but there are other reasons why I was willing to spend more for the iPhone X and use it as my daily driver. IMO the only thing that really differentiates android devices is hardware.

Apple on the other hand have a lot more defining features when you compare their devices to the competition and most of them do not revolve around hardware.

 

[44267547]

Consumers don’t choose the hardware anymore, as the hardware is already _expected_ to be premium given smart phone prices today. You’re choosing the ecosystem of either android or iOS. It’s that simple. It comes down to security, fluidity and usefulness of the operating system your choosing. That’s why iOS has one of the highest adoption and success rates, is because they provide much longer support over Android and security is crucial to the users protection.

 

[BiggAW]

I'm not being paranoid. You seems to be about Android security. Android is secured enough for everyday use for everyone. To say otherwise is just spreading FUD. Windows has lots of vulnerabilities, hackers and viruses too.

You need a brass mesh hat. 😀

Many android phones have better hardware than the iPhone X but there are other reasons why I was willing to spend more for the iPhone X and use it as my daily driver. IMO the only thing that really differentiates android devices is hardware.

Apple doesn't need as fast of a CPU or as much RAM as an Android flagship, as iOS is much more efficient than Android (although not as efficient as it used to be). However, Apple's feud with Qualcomm has caused them to lag way behind in radio technology, which is compounded by the fact that iPhones last longer than Android phones, and are sold for longer, so people are out there buying iPhones with radio technology that's 3+ years old. The "current" iPhones are using 2+ year old radio tech, due to Apple's petty feud with Qualcomm. If they had gone all-in on Qualcomm, and used Qualcomm for all their radios, the iPhone would absolutely be the most drool-worth phone on the market.

 

[LovingTeddy]

The S9 was just released, this year. The OP's point is that he/she got tired of his/her barely 3-years-old flagship had to be factory reset frequently due to issues.
We can only make a comparison with the S9 3 years from now. As of this point, Samsung is still the same, their handsets don't age well.

So is iPhone. After three years, iPhone's battery crapped out, software is laggy mess (iOS 11 on iPhone 6). I rather spend 300 dollars every year for midrang phone than spend 1000+ dollars for flagship phone that going to crapped out in three years.
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I have been an iPhone user since the beginning .. But every few years I will go to android for a few months to see what's changed and if it can lure me away from ios for good. 2 months into my galaxy s9 and...

This kinda crap happens pretty regularly now. Switching back when the next iPhones get announced.

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Two screenshots proves everything eh? I can show you bunch of iPhone error message. Does that means iPhone is ****?

But iPhone is **** regardless
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iOS11 doesn't make users needing to factory reset their iPhones on a regular basis (which is what the OP experienced).
Planned obsolescence? Android is the king of planned obsolescence, where OEMs don't even bother pushing monthly security updates.

At least user does not have to get software update and found out their phone suddenly slowing down like the throttling. I get regular software updates from my Huawei phone and my Smartisan phone.

People are full of **** about Android and updates. I don't care about updates. I still have iPhone 6 with iOS 8 and I refuse update.

 

[BiggAW]

So is iPhone. After three years, iPhone's battery crapped out, software is laggy mess (iOS 11 on iPhone 6). I rather spend 300 dollars every year for midrang phone than spend 1000+ dollars for flagship phone that going to crapped out in three years.

To be fair, Apple has a much better support system in place for replacing iPhone batteries than Samsung has. The ubreakifix thing is OK, but they don't have nearly as many locations as Apple.

 

[m0sher]

Are we really debating iOS is more secure than android? Lol

For those that don’t know, Apple’s privacy policy is better and doesn’t allow metadata to be collected unlike android. Sorry if you thought otherwise.

The same reason android fans dislike about the “sandbox experience”, or being behind the “garden wall” of iOS is also the very reason you won’t download a malicious app from the App Store that will steal your info. Pros and Cons to everything and security is the Pro side of not having an open standard free for all.

Fact is, while Apple does allow some “special apps” to access limited data like blocking spam calls or texts, they have to be specifically enabled by you which is like a process for enabling third-party keyboard.

Yeah.......Imagine learning all your call history and SMS data was being collected by Facebook for years on Androids, then sold to someone else.....just wow!