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One thing can be said about this thread, and that is that it's very informative for those of us who are considering purchasing an :apple:TV. I'm making the plunge tomorrow. Thanks to those who helped sway my decision! :)
 
I understand that in the US the price difference between the two machines makes any comparison meaningless, as the Playstation is much more expensive.
Of course the primary function of the Playstation is that of a game console, but with extra software it has become a full media center!

I am glad for those that find the AppleTV a good choice. I enjoyed it for many months and yes, it has changed the way I interact with media (Video & Audio). I came though to the realization that the technology is not there yet to support Digital downloads of high quality movies. I am sure that someday this won't be a problem, but even then, all the people that have big collections, have to keep backups and that means they need very big capacities, and that costs a lot of money.
I will definitely keep an eye on the AppleTV and sometime in the future I might get a new version. Certainly I won't be buying this one again!
 
I came though to the realization that the technology is not there yet to support Digital downloads of high quality movies.

I'm confused. My cable company supports 720p streaming, and the ITMS supports both streaming and downloading of 720p. These are both "digital downloads of high-quality movies."

There is no (legal) source of 1080 downloads. If you need 1080p as a downloadable format, where can you find them?
 
I'm confused. My cable company supports 720p streaming, and the ITMS supports both streaming and downloading of 720p. These are both "digital downloads of high-quality movies."

There is no (legal) source of 1080 downloads. If you need 1080p as a downloadable format, where can you find them?
That's exactly what I am saying!!! I have to tell you though that even watching a Blu-Ray film at a 720p TV is much better than the Apple TV...
 
I also forgot to tell that I don't consider the HD 720p downloads for the Apple TV of high quality...Maybe only if you compare it to DVD. Today's standards have changed.
 
I thought this was a thread about how the PS3 streams content to your TV better than the AppleTV does, not that blu-ray looks better than 720p files?

P-Worm
 
I thought this was a thread about how the PS3 streams content to your TV better than the AppleTV does, not that blu-ray looks better than 720p files?

P-Worm

I am just trying to say that although digital downloads have a future, at the moment they cannot give the best possible quality. At them moment if someone wants to watch a movie at home has quite a few options, one of them being the Apple TV. I am not saying that it is bad, I am just saying that for about the same amount of money, you get much better quality. Why should we bother with a flawed model? When the technology and the infrastructure support better quality downloads, then I will be the first one to use it.

I have watched quite a few films on Blu-Ray and I have to say that the difference is very big and I would never get back to lesser quality unless a movie isn't available in Blu-Ray, and those movies I would stream from my Mac to the Playstation at a much better quality than the Apple TV
 
You keep saying it is an either-or choice. It's not. I regularly watch content on my AppleTV, my blu ray player, and Tivo as well. There's a reason your tv has more then one set of inputs.
 
You keep saying it is an either-or choice. It's not. I regularly watch content on my AppleTV, my blu ray player, and Tivo as well. There's a reason your tv has more then one set of inputs.

I like to keep things simple, not complicated. Its not that I havent given AppleTV a chance. I have! It has just failed on me...
 
Two things irk me about his argument. One is he says AppleTV's 720P HD doesn't look very good. I just watched Balls of Fury in HD last night on a 93" screen with the highest rated 720P LCD projector out there. It looked BETTER than most HD I see on cable, including HDNet Movies (which BTW are 1080i, so don't tell me there's no 1080 sources out there to watch. 1080i films with 3:2 pulldown deinterlaced produce 1080P just like DVD). I saw almost no artifacting, which was pretty impressive for a ~4.4 Mbit rate (compression must be getting better over time).

The other thing that irks me is this talk about blu-ray costing about the same. In terms of unit price, the cheapest PS3 here is $399. If you want one that has good features (e.g. a card reader for showing photos, a larger hard drive, backwards compatibility with PS2 games, etc.), you're going to have to pay well over $800. AppleTV is $229, almost half the price of the no frills version. No, it doesn't play games. It streams music, movies and photos and allows you to buy/rent them online without even requiring a computer to do so. It's also heavily software upgradeable since it's really a 1GHz Intel Mac computer underneath. It solve my whole house audio system (and can integrate with Airport Express units as well in that regard, which are only $99) and my iPod Touch can control them anywhere around the house acting as a WiFi remote. PS3 has no such capability. To stream with PS3, you have to have a monitor turned on and you have use either WAV, MP3 or non-DRM AAC. I can use WAV, MP3, AAC (including DRM) and Apple Lossless for archived quality music (even DTS works) including tag support (WAV has no tag support, so PS3 in high quality means using filenames).

There's no source of local Blu-Ray rentals around here at present and scratching is a big problem with NetFlix Blu-Ray from what I've read online so it doesn't appear to make a very good rental format. With AppleTV, I only have to wait 1-2 minutes for a movie to start and I don't have to drive across town only to find out they're out of stock of the movie I want to see or wait 1-2 days for Netflix to deliver the movie. So in terms of cost/competitive as a rental format, I don't see anything better about Blu-Ray except the potentially better picture and if it's scratched, forget about it.

Now if I wanted to OWN a particular movie, there's no doubt that I'd rather buy a Blu-Ray disc (well there's no option at present to BUY HD movies with AppleTV/iTunes anyway, but even if there were, I prefer a hard copy).
 
Two things irk me about his argument. One is he says AppleTV's 720P HD doesn't look very good. I just watched Balls of Fury in HD last night on a 93" screen with the highest rated 720P LCD projector out there. It looked BETTER than most HD I see on cable, including HDNet Movies (which BTW are 1080i, so don't tell me there's no 1080 sources out there to watch. 1080i films with 3:2 pulldown deinterlaced produce 1080P just like DVD). I saw almost no artifacting, which was pretty impressive for a ~4.4 Mbit rate (compression must be getting better over time).

The other thing that irks me is this talk about blu-ray costing about the same. In terms of unit price, the cheapest PS3 here is $399. If you want one that has good features (e.g. a card reader for showing photos, a larger hard drive, backwards compatibility with PS2 games, etc.), you're going to have to pay well over $800. AppleTV is $229, almost half the price of the no frills version. No, it doesn't play games. It streams music, movies and photos and allows you to buy/rent them online without even requiring a computer to do so. It's also heavily software upgradeable since it's really a 1GHz Intel Mac computer underneath. It solve my whole house audio system (and can integrate with Airport Express units as well in that regard, which are only $99) and my iPod Touch can control them anywhere around the house acting as a WiFi remote. PS3 has no such capability. To stream with PS3, you have to have a monitor turned on and you have use either WAV, MP3 or non-DRM AAC. I can use WAV, MP3, AAC (including DRM) and Apple Lossless for archived quality music (even DTS works) including tag support (WAV has no tag support, so PS3 in high quality means using filenames).

There's no source of local Blu-Ray rentals around here at present and scratching is a big problem with NetFlix Blu-Ray from what I've read online so it doesn't appear to make a very good rental format. With AppleTV, I only have to wait 1-2 minutes for a movie to start and I don't have to drive across town only to find out they're out of stock of the movie I want to see or wait 1-2 days for Netflix to deliver the movie. So in terms of cost/competitive as a rental format, I don't see anything better about Blu-Ray except the potentially better picture and if it's scratched, forget about it.

Now if I wanted to OWN a particular movie, there's no doubt that I'd rather buy a Blu-Ray disc (well there's no option at present to BUY HD movies with AppleTV/iTunes anyway, but even if there were, I prefer a hard copy).

It's pretty obvious to me that the Apple TV is suited for the US market and not the european. Here in Germany we do have Blu-Ray rentals.
It also seems that you haven't read all my posts in this thread, because I said before that tha Apple TV is the best choice if you want to stream music. I am comparing the two devices only from the Video playback perspective.
I am not saying that Apple TV sucks, it's just good enough, not the best quality! I like the best quality and the Playstation 3 offers me exactly that at affordable prices. Blu-Ray, more video formats support (with no bit rate limitations) and it also plays great all mkvs that are in 1080p and can be downloaded on the Usenet (by muxing them to vob or m2ts with mkv2vob - unfortunately windows only - I use a VM for it)

Now, if I want to own a movie, I buy it in Blu-Ray but if I just want to watch a dvd I can convert it for the playstation at a much better quality and since both devices can stream video content, why also have the Apple TV? Thats why I got rid of that! I don't stream music and I am not going to.

I understand your point of view and I guess the Apple TV is great for your needs. Enjoy it!
I just hope that those of you that like the Apple TV video quality have actually watched a Blu-Ray movie, or even a downloaded mkv file (illegal unfortunately - someday we will hopefully see legal 1080p downloads)

The Playstation does for me what the Apple TV did and much more. I wouldnt keep it just for the music or Youtube. The Playstation has also an Internet Browser where youtube works like on any normal browser....
 
While I do not own an APple TV yet I do own a PS3 and I do buy and watch Blu-Ray movies on it more than gaming actually so I think it's safe to speak what I feel.

Apple TV is not competing with the Playstation 3, however the XBOX360 is..

It's really unfair to compare the PS3 and Apple TV right now as Apple is the only service that allows 480p and 720p downloads. XBOX Live does this as well. The PS3 However excels at 1080p (PS unless you're Cable company or broadcast is in 1080P set your Cable box to 720p over 1080i for a better picture Progressive ALWAYS better than Interlaced but thats a whole other discussion!)

The PS3 plays Blu-ray movies but quite honestly for 95% of us buying a 720p movie or buying a Blu-Ray DVD we will most likely notice very little difference if any.. though the cost savings would be significant.

Now I use my PS3 to stream movies all the time DIVX from my iMac to my PS3 and the quality is almost on par with DVD for the most part and Im happy with that. I think consumers and Tech Heads tend to get caught up in the whole specs thing for the most part.

Im not saying that the PS3 is not a better media device as I believe it is overall and yes it does cost more, but why have an Apple TV and a PS3 sitting next to each other kinda redundant

The only reason to own an Apple TV right now is simply for Convenience or if you do not own a PS3 or an XBOX 360.

Apple needs to drop the price on the Apple TV and get a huge install base prior to Netflix's box (rumor is they might usse the 360 and PS3) as the set top box this would be a Major nail in the Apple TV scheme.
 
(PS unless you're Cable company or broadcast is in 1080P set your Cable box to 720p over 1080i for a better picture Progressive ALWAYS better than Interlaced but thats a whole other discussion!)

I've got a Panasonic PT-AX100U projector, which is widely regarded as one of the best 720P LCD home projectors out there for under $2500. My cable company's box can output either 720P or 1080i (there is no 1080P over cable). The thing is, even though 720P is the native resolution of the Panasonic projector, the scaler built into the Panasonic is much BETTER quality than the cable box. Thus, a 1080i cable signal looks better output through 1080i on the box and letting the Panasonic scale it down to 720P than letting the cable box scale down 1080i content to 720P, if you follow what I'm saying. In other words, if you're using a 720P projector or TV set, you can't just assume that you'll get a better picture with your cable box or satellite receiver set to 720P because either way, the picture HAS to be scaled and the better your tv set or projector, the more likely it's going to do a better job than the cable box or even the Blu-ray player.

In my case, I compared 1080i channels like HDNet with both the 1080i and 720P output and it always looked better output as 1080i. There are VERY few 720P stations out there and it does look a little bit better using 720P output with 720P than letting the cable box scale up to 1080i and then the projector back down to 720P, but given there are more 1080i channels by far than 720P and they (for whatever reason) look much worse when the cable box down-scales than when my Panasonic does so, the clear choice was to still output 1080i.

Just the opposite is true with AppleTV. It's basically natively 720P output all around (save the non-HD stuff, which is easier to upscale than downscale well) and the picture always looks best set to 720P with my 720P projector. Now whether it looks better at 720P or 1080i or 1080P output scaled will depend on whether your 1080P set has a better upscaler than the AppleTV or not. This whole process pretty much applies to all devices. There are high-end scalar devices that will act as a switch and give you the best possible scaled images either direction, but they cost some real money.


The PS3 plays Blu-ray movies but quite honestly for 95% of us buying a 720p movie or buying a Blu-Ray DVD we will most likely notice very little difference if any.. though the cost savings would be significant.

That will depend on whether you can rent them locally (assuming no scratch problems, etc.) or whether you want to own all your movies (whether you watch them more than once). You can't currently 'buy' 720P movies from Apple. I'm not sure I'd want to either. I'd probably rather buy a Blu-Ray disc unless I could burn a hard copy of Apple's 720P myself at some point and whether I could transfer it to other mediums (not worth much if I can only watch it on that one single AppleTV. At least you can take a Blu-Ray disc with you and watch it on anyone's player or a 2nd set upstairs or whatever. You can't even transfer an HD rental on AppleTV to another AppleTV unit in the house (e.g. I have two; one upstairs and one downstairs). That's definitely a negative for AppleTV.

Most of the non-HD stuff I've seen on AppleTV looks pretty soft. I think my cable 480i stations look better than some of those pictures I've seen on my 93" set! That might be due to a poor scalar in the AppleTV, though. I should really try switchin to 480i or 480p output and send that to my projector and see if tv shows or videos look any better.

I started to try out Handbrake (I thought I'd just rip my music video and concert DVDs since I'm more likely to only play short parts than with a movie where it's not worth the bother). It requires Leopard (I hate how already people are ditching all support for Tiger when Tiger is still so much more reliable and in my case, much faster than Leopard) so I had to reboot into Leopard to try it out. I also downloaded a version for my XP machine since it has a considerably faster dual-core processor in it (the PowerMac here has a single 7448 1.8GHz G4).

Well, I started ripping a music video DVD on the Mac at 70% quality and progressive output and two sound tracks (one stereo, one AC3 dolby surround). It said it would like 8-10 hours to complete!!! That's ridiculous. So I plugged the same DVD into the XP machine and of course, the XP version of Handbrake can't rip copy-protected content for some unknown reason (Linux and Mac versions can), so I guess you have to use another program to do that first in each case, making the whole process even more a pain in the butt. So I never did get a comparable time quote since I just said the hell on it. I might set it to encode on the Mac at night when I'm sleeping or something to try it out....
 
I was wondering if any MediaLink users have been experiencing stuttered playback recently? I've been using MediaLink pretty much since it came out and it's worked flawlessly about 99% of the time.

Lately however, my movie's have been playing back poorly with VERY frequent stuttering. I have been through all of NullRiver's troubleshooting and I'm still experiencing issues. I've also sent in a tech support request about 3 weeks ago and I have yet to hear from them.

I'm a tech savvy guy, and have tried pretty much every possible scenario, (ex. wireless connection, wired connection, 2 different routers, and hardwiring directly from my MacPro to PS3 using a share connection) all to no avail.

I know the media is encoded well because when I copy the movie files to my PS3 hard drive, the playback is flawless.

This is really frustrating cause I do all my movie/tv show watching using MediaLink, and copying files over to the PS3 gets old real quick.

Anyone out there have any similar issues?
 
PS unless you're Cable company or broadcast is in 1080P set your Cable box to 720p over 1080i for a better picture Progressive ALWAYS better than Interlaced but thats a whole other discussion!
Thats simply not true. There is a lot of FUD about 1080i and it's suitability for movie transmission. 24fps content transmitted at 1080i60 when displayed on a progressive display has twice the temporal pixel density of 720p.

1280x720x24 vs 1920x1080x24 full frames (sent as pairs of 1920x520 frames but recombined before display)

There are two things to keep in mind. First cable companies tend to drastically over compress content and the 1080i rule is only true for <30fps content. 720p is better for anything above that.
 
I feed the Apple TV to my JVC-RS1 (15,000:1 contrast ratio) through a DVDo iScan VP50 video processor displayed on a 135" screen in a dedicated home theater. This weekend I watched two movies. One night I watched I Am Legend on Blu-Ray, the next I watched The Kingdom on Apple TV HD rental. They were both fantastic. Of course you can't compare perfectly since different movies, particularly the audio tracks, as one may just have a better audio track than the other. I Am Legend was spectacular in audio and video as i stated the other day. But I have to say that the video on The Kingdom was pretty damn good on the Apple TV HD rental. I mean really it looked great even on a 135" screen and was available to start viewing within seconds. That is amazing. I don't know how much the DVDo unit helps. The audio soundtrack wasnt great as far as dialog articulation, but the action sequences were very good. That leads me to believe that perhaps the original track isn't great.

FYI: I was not utilizing the lossless track on the Blu-Ray. I use a McIntosh MX-119 pre-pro which does not have what I need to do so from the PS3. I plan to get a stand alone Blu-Ray unit that decodes AND has analog outputs. My HD-DVD player currently is using my analog input on the MX-119 for lossless audio. Any other thoughts or suggestions on this issue from anyone, feel free to email me.

My point is that the AppleTV HD Rental in this particular case, put to the test on a pretty high end system, really stood its own in a weekend when I watched both. But my bigger point is that having both is not overkill. I love the media center capability of the Apple TV and now I even get to download pretty damn great looking movies on an impulse. But sometimes I just want to slap that Blu-Ray in and get the absolute maximum I can out of my system (well, I will get max when I address the lossless audio part).
 
And to elaborate a little since my post was so short :rolleyes:

If I have a spectrum from DVD on one end to Blu Ray on the other I would put The Kingdom on Apple TV HD rental on my system at about 85% of the way toward Blu-Ray. Clearly HD (can hardly watch DVD anymore) but not quite the depth and minute detail as Blu-Ray.

It is better than HD movies on Time Warner on average, though the real issue with the cable HD movies is consistency depending on the level of compression used at the time/channel. Sometimes cable HD movies can look very very good, but at other times it is easy to tell that they have dialed up the compression.

Over time I want to assess the audio with a bigger sample size. Not sure yet.

OK, I'll zip it now.
 
I just watched some more movies off HDNet Movies on cable. They weren't even close to the quality of the AppleTV HD rental of "Balls of Fury" I rented last night (regular HDNet showing tv shows recorded directly in HDTV look more on par than their movie conversions, which rarely look much better than DVD transfers, IMO). Given the vastly superior picture over DVD, it's hard to understand people complaining about AppleTV on a picture quality basis. Most of those people probably have 32"-50" flat screen LCD,DLP or Plasma units. I'm viewing at 93" with front projection which is way more sensitive to problems than a smaller set and I can't complain about the quality at all (way better than DVD all around). Balls of Fury is a comedy, so it wasn't gangbusters in terms of discrete surround effects going on, but there were some and the overall soundtrack quality was fine (similar to DVD quality Dolby Digital tracks).

Either way, it blows away the cable companies' HD on demand offerings and costs $1 less than cable (which also only has around a dozen available at any given time).

Of course, if ApplTV had come with a built-in Blu-Ray and DVD player tray, I wouldn't have complained, but Apple would be shooting themselves in the foot if they had done that from a rental perspective.

They certainly could do a lot more towards functionality on AppleTV, though. Some kind of subscription based tv and/or movie package offering would be nice. Dolby Digital on ALL movies and applicable tv shows (not just HD ones) would be smart. Offering HD movies for sale (not just rental) with sync back to a Mac would be a nice option. Enabling the USB port to use a hub with a wireless keyboard/trackball combo and a version of Safari to surf with over 720P would be most welcome. The ability to STREAM photos would be nice (right now you MUST 'sync' them, which eats up local hard drive space). It would be great if there were a 'search' option for you own personal music and movie libraries (not just the iTunes store... I mean come on, I play my own stuff more than I search for stuff to buy) and with over 350 albums, it's a pain to scroll down lists of them. How about an alphabet list to scroll down to at least get in the right vicinity faster?

Why doesn't iTunes sort by "Music Video" ? It puts music videos in with the music library and I'd like to keep certain things separated in iTunes and on AppleTV. A few extra buttons would have been nice on the remote. I mean that remote is too tiny, really and would benefit from some key/numerics to search faster. It also would have been nice if they would have at least had a BASIC front panel display. I mean come on, if a cheap Casio watch can have a Dot-Matrix-Display for a couple of bucks, why the heck couldn't they have at least one row on the front to show the current playing song or movie title and the time passed? In combination with a slightly more complex remote, you could potentially leave your monitor off to select music without having to buy something like an iPod Touch and "Signal" or "Remote Buddy" to do it (which also then requires a Mac be running as a streaming server somewhere for Airtunes).

How about a front panel card reader for that matter? The thing is designed to show photos (again why no streaming?), but you have to go upstairs and first load them into the computer and then sync them in a directory to show them? Also why isn't there a directory listing type mode to select the next picture to show from instead of having to manually 'next' your way through them or watch slide shows? That seems pretty basic to me. Inserting a memory card or plugging in via a PictBridge or USB port to show new photos straight from a digital camera seems like a no brainer option. I mean you can buy a USB card reader for under $10 in a lot of places. It coudn't have cost them more than a few dollars per unit to add that feature. And if you could read them, it should then offer to download them and sync them back to your computer for you as well. THAT would be very handy. Show the family your trip photos and sync them back to the computer at the same time with no extra step.

What about the ethernet port? Why can their $99 Airport Express act as an Ethernet bridge, but the $229 AppleTV with similar WiFi hardware to the 802.11N version not do the same when it has the ethernet port right there? That seems purely like a software issue to me. In fact, the AppleTV pretty much duplicates its AirTunes feature so it'd be silly to have to have both an AppleTV and an Airport Express in the same room simply for lack of bridging feature.

Basically, the AppleTV is a Mac in disguise. It'd be nice if Apple would start treating it as one instead of pretending it's just a dumb box to stream with.
 
I have both. Very happy with the ATV. The reason for me to buy the PS3 was simply to watch regular DVDs and Blue Ray titles. As somebody posted here, the ATV is not intending to replace your DVD player. Also, I am not really into playing games with the PS3. The only problem I see with the PS3 is that it plays only region 1 discs and there is no way, at least I did not find a way, to hack it to turn it region free. I have bought a lot of DVDs outside the US which they won't play in the PS3. I know I can rip them and burn them again but that is time consuming. I have seen pretty much every single DVD player hackable to turn it region free, not the Sony's though it turn out :mad:
 
The problem is not with the MediaLink software it is with the latest version of the PS3 firmware 2.20. There have been numerous post on the PS3 forums that something that Sony did with firmware 2.20 has broken video streaming.
Sorry but you will have to wait for Sony to come out with a fix first.

I was wondering if any MediaLink users have been experiencing stuttered playback recently? I've been using MediaLink pretty much since it came out and it's worked flawlessly about 99% of the time.

Lately however, my movie's have been playing back poorly with VERY frequent stuttering. I have been through all of NullRiver's troubleshooting and I'm still experiencing issues. I've also sent in a tech support request about 3 weeks ago and I have yet to hear from them.

I'm a tech savvy guy, and have tried pretty much every possible scenario, (ex. wireless connection, wired connection, 2 different routers, and hardwiring directly from my MacPro to PS3 using a share connection) all to no avail.

I know the media is encoded well because when I copy the movie files to my PS3 hard drive, the playback is flawless.

This is really frustrating cause I do all my movie/tv show watching using MediaLink, and copying files over to the PS3 gets old real quick.

Anyone out there have any similar issues?
 
The PS3 is awesome.
For gaming.

Of course the Playstation is mainly a console and a Blu-Ray player. The thing is that with extra software you can make it something more than that. I have and I am very happy with it. I have no issues at all with the device and up until now I had no streaming problems (like with the AppleTV)
 
I also am getting off track

I don't view the PS3 and Apple TV as either or. My anger with Apple stems from the fact that I want to have a PS3 and Mac Mini in my stereo rack. I much prefer the idea of an actual computer connected to my plasma as opposed to just a way to stream my music library and rent HD movies.

There is absolutely no reason why the Mac Mini should be blocked from renting HD movies. If most people prefer the Apple TV, that's great. The market will have spoken. Apple's decision to force people to buy the Apple TV as if Apple knows best what we want for our media hub is exactly what it's critics point to as arrogance and closed standards. Let me rent on my Mac Mini and register it as an airport speaker. Then I am deciding which device is best as a hub. There is no doubt in my mind that for a lot of users the Apple TV and GUI makes more sense. I am a power user. I want the option and Apple is making an asinine decision to deprive me of that right. I am going to get a Mac Mini and then rent HD movies from anyone but Apple even after they eventually do the right thing and open HD rentals to any computer running iTunes. Opening up the Mac Mini as a HD rental revenue stream is not going to cost money or decrease revenue. It is only going to cannibalize sales of the device Apple is forcing down our throats. As an aside I want Porsche to put the 911 motor in the Cayman. That's not going to happen either.

Like I said earlier, why should someone with a MacPro and 30" screen not be able to rent movies in HD?

So I have got off track. I will have a PS3 and Mac Mini. The Mini does not even need a slot loading CD. I eagerly await someone else providing 720p movie rentals. That is something I would use even if it doesn't look as good as blue ray. 720p is a reasonable option for movies I want to see but don't feel like owning.
 
Like I said earlier, why should someone with a MacPro and 30" screen not be able to rent movies in HD?

Because the file format used by Apple for HD rentals includes an AC3 stream for 5.1 audio. While the ATV just passes the signal straight to the optical port without modification, a proper solution for a high end Mac should require the ability to decode the stream for discreet channel output. Since QT currently has no ability to handle AC3 in any fashion (discreet or pass-through) your high end Mac would be limited to stereo PLII sound.

HD rentals have only been available for a couple of months with the priority of working correctly with the ATV. The coding and licensing issues with Dolby increases the complexity of a general QT implementation. It my be that the rather then delaying the ATV HD option, the released it as is and will circle back for QT.

But yes, for now it sucks.
 
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