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Have you held the Mini? It's shockingly close already. Personally I feel like it's the perfect blend of the excellent 5 design and the modern features you expect an iPhone to have. I'm genuinely bummed it apparently hasn't sold very well.
I have, and while it's close it's still quite a bit bigger than the 5s/SE 1st gen. About as big a difference as the mini compared to my current XS.
 
I have, and while it's close it's still quite a bit bigger than the 5s/SE 1st gen. About as big a difference as the mini compared to my current XS.

I don't think we'll ever go back to something that small again. I agree though that the iPhone 12 mini/etc are right on the edge of being too big though. (I find the XR and regular 12 to be way too big)
 
I don't think we'll ever go back to something that small again. I agree though that the iPhone 12 mini/etc are right on the edge of being too big though. (I find the XR and regular 12 to be way too big)
I can dream....
 
" the Pixel 5a most closely competes with the $399 iPhone SE, which is $50 cheaper", nah, I would go with the XRfor comparisons which is a bit more, before discounts, but after discounts it is actually probably cheaper for a better phone. Yes it older and doesn't have 5G, but is smokes the pixel everywhere else
The XR loses in the screen department, design, battery, modem(signal reliability, power efficiency, data speeds), cameras. So some pretty important areas.
 
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The original iPhone SE from 2016 ran iOS 9 and it will run iOS 15. That's SEVEN iOS versions with ONE phone. Antique looking or not, you will NOT be getting that support and longevity with an Android/Google phone.
The Pixel 5a should work and be supported for more than 7 years.
Google will stop supporting Gingerbread in September 2021. That's like 10 years after it was launched.
It's obvious that most apple folks don't understand Android's modularity.
 
The Pixel 5a should work and be supported for more than 7 years.
Google will stop supporting Gingerbread in September 2021. That's like 10 years after it was launched.
It's obvious that most apple folks don't understand Android's modularity.

Qualcomm stops providing driver updates for older SoCs. That’s why they haven’t had longterm official support.
 
This video explains quite in detail Android's current situation.

Not interested in fanboy videos from either side. The bottom line is that Apple continues to update their devices and Android devs don’t have the option thanks to Qualcomm. End of story. I’m someone who has only ever kept a phone for 2 years at the longest so it’s a moot point to me but it’s important to other people and that’s a point that Apple continues to win the debate on.

Google has a chance to correct that with their own SoC so that may all be about to shift.
 
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Doesn't matter if iOS gets 5 years of version number changes when it's 10 years behind on Google features and smarts.

Depends on what you use your phone for. I used Android from the HTC Hero in 2009 to the HTC U11 and switched to iOS with the release of the iPhone 8 Plus. The only thing I miss is the ability to flash custom ROMs and the ease of sideloading apps. The only thing I even use Siri for is setting timers so I have no need for Google Assistant to spy on me either.
 
Mine shipped today on Fedex Priority Overnight. Of course Fedex's website for tracking is down, so maybe I get it tomorrow?
 
I love all the "I used Android before"......a decade ago. Unlike iOS, Android has changed a LOT and gotten a TON more reliable than the mess it was even 5-8 years ago. I used a Galaxy S5, so yes, I do know it was bad back then.

I get this is a fanboy site, but cmon man.... have a basic open mind here that both OSes are equally just fine for different needs.
 
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I love all the "I used Android before"......a decade ago. Unlike iOS Android has changed a LOT and gotten a TON more reliable than the mess it was even 5-8 years ago. I used a Galaxy S5, so yes, I do know it was bad back then.

I get this is a fanboy site, but cmon man.... have a basic open mind here that both OSes are equally just fine for different needs.
And only one OS being released this fall comes with free spyware. ;)
 
And only one OS being released this fall comes with free spyware. ;)

That's what I dont get. Apple is doing CSAM on your device, like it or not. Google collects anonymous user data to target ads.

Which is REALLY the lesser of 2 evils? I see it as neither at this point. not unless Apple does a 180 which does not look to be the case at all.

I'd MUCH rather have a targeted ad profile (let's be real 90-95% or more of Apple users have a Google account already anyway) than an on-device privacy invasion that is always running and one false trigger away from reporting you to the feds without any interaction or notice. Or who knows what other hashes are put into that at some point n the future.

The advertising profile seems a lot safer at this route sad to say.
 
That's what I dont get. Apple is doing CSAM on your device, like it or not. Google collects anonymous user data to target ads.

Which is REALLY the lesser of 2 evils? I see it as neither at this point. not unless Apple does a 180 which does not look to be the case at all.

I'd MUCH rather have a targeted ad profile (let's be real 90-95% or more of Apple users have a Google account already anyway) than an on-device privacy invasion that is always running and one false trigger away from reporting you to the feds without any interaction or notice. Or who knows what other hashes are put into that at some point n the future.

The advertising profile seems a lot safer at this route sad to say.
Exactly the conclusion I came to.
 
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That's what I dont get. Apple is doing CSAM on your device, like it or not. Google collects anonymous user data to target ads.

Which is REALLY the lesser of 2 evils? I see it as neither at this point. not unless Apple does a 180 which does not look to be the case at all.

I'd MUCH rather have a targeted ad profile (let's be real 90-95% or more of Apple users have a Google account already anyway) than an on-device privacy invasion that is always running and one false trigger away from reporting you to the feds without any interaction or notice. Or who knows what other hashes are put into that at some point n the future.

The advertising profile seems a lot safer at this route sad to say.

Yep, totally agreed. Although Google does do their own stuff like if there’s a crime committed in an area police can track down anyone who was in the area which is kind of creepy at best and incredibly dangerous at worst.



 
Yep, totally agreed. Although Google does do their own stuff like if there’s a crime committed in an area police can track down anyone who was in the area which is kind of creepy at best and incredibly dangerous at worst.



You can work with this though, since it isn't on the device. I can disable apps from doing this--particularly in Android 12. Also, at least they have to get a geofence warrant to get the information.
 
You can work with this though, since it isn't on the device. I can disable apps from doing this--particularly in Android 12. Also, at least they have to get a geofence warrant to get the information.

Can you actually disable all this information gathering? I was under the impression that even if you disable location history that cell coordinates, WiFi, and Bluetooth still get sent to Sensorvault.
 
Yep, totally agreed. Although Google does do their own stuff like if there’s a crime committed in an area police can track down anyone who was in the area which is kind of creepy at best and incredibly dangerous at worst.



True but you at LEAST have the presumption of innocence. Back to my whole rant (I think in this thread) about warrants, probable cause, all that legal process stuff. At worst you are presumed a witness/someone in the area in those kinds of issues.


That is really not Google exclusive either. I guarantee with a warrant they could get data from Apple too; or the majority who use the Google Maps app anyway.
 
Smart Me: wow that pixel is a great value and price. I should get one now.

Irrational me: I will go ahead and pay Apple a thousand bucks bc I like my messages blue

This phone has everything I want. Astrophotography mode, headphone jack, nice price, but I am so in the Apple ecosystem I fear change. Also I don't want to be a green bubble person.
 
This phone has everything I want. Astrophotography mode, headphone jack, nice price, but I am so in the Apple ecosystem I fear change. Also I don't want to be a green bubble person.

Haha I’m wondering how long it’s going to take my roommate to notice my green bubble and give me crap when my Pixel 3 XL gets here in a week or so. I didn’t tell him I’m switching for a week or two to see what the Pixel side is like.
 
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One important note: if you are on verizon, you can't just yank your sim and throw it in the Pixel after disabling facetime and messages.

Evidently somewhere on that SIM and verizon together, it is seen as an iPhone sim card--so you can't get voicemails for receive texts. You just need to get a new sim card. (Although this may only apply to unlocked phones?)
 
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