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What a great waste of time! How do you force someone to provide a service they don't want to provide? Using the carpenter analogy, can I sue all the commentators on here who could have been building stuff for me instead of typing? Properly messed up. You guys should be saving me money!
 
You're confusing the monetary amount (secret) with the existence of the agreement (not secret).
You're kidding, right? Of course a deal was suspected but nobody knew of an actual agreement, ie who got what for what. The consideration for the deal is the actual deal and that was done in secrecy. It could've been anything from Apple getting to use Google apps/technology instead of a a monetary payment.
 
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No. Google is blocking Apple through money to let them compete against them. Imagine paying another carpenter in your city yearly for not working so you can have the entire market for yourself and charge whatever you want. Its gross capitalism and it needs to be stopped.

Google, while certainly dominant, doesn't control the entire market.

I'd say the Apple/Google agreement (if true) would be a bit more like Tesla paying Apple to not get into the BEV or AV business or Apple paying Tesla to not get into the phone business.
 
I hate google, but can you blame apple? It's a math equation and theres a number that makes apple say, ya know what, easy money it aint worth making our own.

I would love an Apple Search which they'd probably call like Siri Search or something but until then I use duckduckgo when I can and Google when I have no choice.
 
This has been known for years but I’m surprised it’s only getting attention now. Google has like 92% of global search I think? They bought the biggest video-sharing platform. They monopolized web standards with Chrome to protect their search dominance. They released an entire mobile OS to protect search. Paying Apple to make them the default should not be allowed. Google needs to be seriously broken up or regulated. Of all the big four tech companies, they are the only one that’s actually a monopoly. (Although Facebook’s acquisitions have been very anticompetitive as well.)
 
Given my experience with Apple Maps and Siri, I would NEVER choose an Apple search engine as my default.
 
What a great waste of time! How do you force someone to provide a service they don't want to provide? Using the carpenter analogy, can I sue all the commentators on here who could have been building stuff for me instead of typing? Properly messed up. You guys should be saving me money!
Google would stop paying Apple to be the default and whenever you first set up your iPhone, iPad or Mac, it would ask you what you want your default search engine to be.
 
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If the other carpenter is happy with the deal then where's the issue exactly?

In the carpenter scenario, consumers could lose out via higher prices since there would be less/no competition in town. When a business has a monoply, it tends to lead to higher prices and less innovation due to lack of competition.
 
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If the other carpenter is happy with the deal then where's the issue exactly?
Because the people buying the houses with no privacy or locks have to go to someone else to make their house private and secure. The happy, rich carpenter who talks about privacy all the time and that's paid to not work could make those houses, but would rather take the money and look the other way. Good for the carpenter, bad for the homebuyers.
 
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Its obvious Apple doesnt want to be in the search engine business. There is already plenty of competition for that space. Apple is only involved in search as much as it has to be.

This is a reach. These people arent helping us with anti-trust with these bs claims that waste everyone’s time and money an only serve to hike up prices.
 
No. Google is blocking Apple through money to let them compete against them. Imagine paying another carpenter in your city yearly for not working so you can have the entire market for yourself and charge whatever you want. Its gross capitalism and it needs to be stopped.
Paying for placement is the way the advertising world works. If you want your items front and center you have to pay and exclusivity costs the most. It’s like sports teams that gets free shoe, uniforms and cash for going it. The team could buy them or could hire employees to make them, but it is easier to get paid to wear shoes and uniforms by a manufacturer who also provides them.

The more obvious thing is that no one would choose another search engine unless tricked in to it. Of course there are outliers and zealots who select other search engines. I tried others and in summary, they suck compared to Google.
 
A few billion a year for doing nothing. Many in the business world would class that as success.
 
No. Google is blocking Apple through money to let them compete against them. Imagine paying another carpenter in your city yearly for not working so you can have the entire market for yourself and charge whatever you want. Its gross capitalism and it needs to be stopped.
Oh oh; this post has turned political. You cannot be on MacRumors speaking of “gross-capitalism and it needs to be stopped.” It seems fairly contradictory in effect.
 
Lastly, the complaint calls for "the breakup of Google into separate and independent companies and the breakup of Apple into separate and independent companies in accordance with the precedent of the breakup of Standard Oil company into Exxon, Mobile, Conoco, Amoco, Sohio, Chevron, and others."

That won’t happen. At least not over this issue.
 
If the two carpenters make a deal under freedom of contract, the deal could be for one carpenter to simply do nothing and get paid for it. I fail to see how that Carpenter is “forced out of the market”.

Who would refuse to get paid for doing nothing and why?

And this deal does not prevent other carpenters to enter the market at will.
You are missing the point, it's not that people won't accept being paid to do nothing, it 's that it is wrong to do so (pay someone not to be a competitor).

This deal does prevent one Competitor to enter the market as Apple cannot enter the Search market.....
 
Who else would love an Apple search engine? ?‍♀️ Honestly, Apple is the only company I can think of that could give Google some competition.
 
For apple to stop preaching privacy and then continuously then selling their soul for $$$. Admit it’s about money not privacy
Again, do internet protocols change because of a monetary arrangement? Does apple give google user information or do spoke customers voluntarily give it up?
 
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