Steve121178
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Totally agree. I don't actually enjoy using mine at all. The only plus-point is the battery life which is better than any other smartphone. If the battery wasn't so good I'd have sold my iPhone months ago.
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Totally agree. I don't actually enjoy using mine at all. The only plus-point is the battery life which is better than any other smartphone. If the battery wasn't so good I'd have sold my iPhone months ago.
KnightWRX
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Battery life good ? 😱 I need to charge my iPhone every day if I even dare stare at it.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my iPhone, but it's not anymore enjoyable than my Sony Ericsson phones I had before it, or the Nokia units I had before that.
The thing with the iPhone though is that it locks you into an eco-system where you've invested some real time and money. I have an iOS project going and a bunch of apps and games purchased. With Android, I could switch handsets and retain all of this, not so much with iOS. Same with my old Symbian SE, the J2ME stack made it so I could just port my apps easily to another J2ME phone and I never really bought games for it since what it came with was plenty already.
It isn't the feature set of the iPhone that keeps me away from it. Its not even the lock-in because I do not buy apps, and I am often loathe to run free apps that bombard me with banner ads every minute.
The real turn-off for me is being associated with the typical iUser. Technologically unsavvy end users that fawn over everything trendy and apple.
The turn on for Android are these apps: Gmail, Google Maps, Google Contacts, Google Talk. Apple is gravitating towards this kind of seamless cloud integration, but they don't have anywhere near the presence that Google does online.
Its hard to for me describe how nice it is to chat someone up on my computer at homeand then seamlessly continue the conversation (history and all) with my phone as I walk out the door, then finish the conversation on my computer/tablet/web device at work or elsewhere.
Its no wonder that Google isn't worried about the lawsuits. They are well on their way to true total ecosystem hegemony (especially with google+ taking off like it is). When all is said and done, Apple's ecosystem will seem quaint in comparison.
The real turn-off for me is being associated with the typical iUser. Technologically unsavvy end users that fawn over everything trendy and apple.
The turn on for Android are these apps: Gmail, Google Maps, Google Contacts, Google Talk. Apple is gravitating towards this kind of seamless cloud integration, but they don't have anywhere near the presence that Google does online.
Its hard to for me describe how nice it is to chat someone up on my computer at homeand then seamlessly continue the conversation (history and all) with my phone as I walk out the door, then finish the conversation on my computer/tablet/web device at work or elsewhere.
Its no wonder that Google isn't worried about the lawsuits. They are well on their way to true total ecosystem hegemony (especially with google+ taking off like it is). When all is said and done, Apple's ecosystem will seem quaint in comparison.
pacmacman
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So in other words your're as shallow as the people you associate with iPhones? k'gotcha.
There are so many power users that prefer iOS it's a joke to even bring this stuff up.
Why can't you guys just say you like Android without it being about proving how pretend-superior you are to others just because of which device you use?
Oh, and this is really funny:
You can't possibly enjoy Google+. It's a Facebook ripoff and not at all innovative. I mean, that's how this works, right? Or is it that you prefer the way they go about social networking and find their implementation preferable and better to how others implement it? I mean, that would be fair and rational but your 'iUser" BS might take a hit.
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Steve121178
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Before my iPhone 4 I had a HTC Desire. It was a great phone but the battery was appalling. I had to top the battery up at least once throughout the day and then leave on charge when I was asleep at night.
With the same usage, my iPhone doesn't need topping up during the day, but it does need to be charged at night.
I don't really want to get into an X vs Y argument, but I prefer Android to iOS, it's just so much better. But after using a Windows phone that belonged to a friend, I plan to ditch my iPhone for a Windows Phone later in the year, once Microsoft released the Mango update. It looks fantastic.
Steve121178
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I can't speak for the guy you are replying to, but Google+ is great! Once you have a group of friends using it, it's so much more refined than Facebook, plus the privacy is controlled by you. It's so transparent & easy to share what you want to certain people, there's no reason not to like it.
Google+ has so much potential it's unreal.
pacmacman
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I actually like Google+ a lot too, and for the same reasons. I was making fun of all these "innovation" arguments being leveled back and forth.
Lol. You need to get out more. Apple's demographic certainly is NOT the power user. Apple's main demographic is the teenage-to-twenty something hipster... and soccer moms. Soccer moms love their iphones. This goes for Apple's computers as well, but most Mac owners are not daft enough to try and say that they paid a premium on a Macbook for the extra computer power over a PC.
I have no problem saying that I like android. The difference between myself and an iFan is that I do not partake in any zealotry over the choice I have made as a consumer. I wish the same could be said about the average iPhone user, but you and I both know that that isn't the case.
You should re-read my post. Slowly this time, and with someone close by who can explain to you what the big words mean. I neither lauded nor lamented google+. I merely explained where it fits in among Google's ever-expanding online presence. What I *did* praise were google's other mobile apps (gmail, maps, etc).
Reading your post makes me think that you're probably one of the less-savvy users I referred to my last post.
Better luck putting words in my mouth next time? Lol.
Smartphones were already evolving towards the slab touchscreen form factor (LG Prada), and apple was simply the first to make it popular. Do you really think that if the iphone never existed we would all still be using blackberry devices today? Riiiight.
Saying apple revolutionized the industry is like saying Sharp revolutionized the LCDTV industry because they were the first.
pacmacman
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Yes, that's what I said the first time. 😉 You throw that in there as though it's some minor detail. Apple created a product that ushered in the current smartphone craze.
No, we all wouldn't be using Blackberries if the iPHone hadn't existed. Odds are the smartphone market wouldn't have penetrated the mainstream to the extent it has so a great many folks would still be using featurephones.
pacmacman
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I get out plenty, that's why I use a mobile device.
I don't think you understand what the phrase "power user" means. Spare me the infantile spec sheet war. Power users require devices that allow them to engage in different functions in order to manage their life/business. The iPhone does that in spades, and reliably. The notion that a phone isn't a power user device because you can't spend hours rooting the OS is silly.
Yes, the iPhone has a great amount of appeal to people who wouldn't normally have purchased smartphones. Once again, I don't think you understand something here - there's a difference between "accessibility" and "dumb". The iPhone makes things accessible, that doesn't mean it's a dumb device or even a dumbed down device. If you're actually trying to argue that 'serious" smartphone users wouldn't choose iOS I'd suggest you should apply for a job as the third CEO of RIM, plenty of room in the sand for one more head.
And by the way: "hipster," "soccer mom," it seems you've picked the Cliche Tree bare. Try harder.
Oops - 'iFan." Add another one to the pile.
You completely missed my point about Google+, which wasn't to suggest you either lauded nor lamented it. This just makes your "reread the big words" comment more ironic than insulting.
After reading through yours I'm not quite sure you have the tools to make that kind of judgment.
You should be so lucky.
The notification screen is not ripped from Android.
It was available on jailbreaked iPhones before Android.
Apple hired the developer of this app and integrated it into iOS5.
BTW: Just a hint: Google did not invent Android. They BOUGHT Android.
Google talk about innovations.
They BOUGHT Android. They have not even managed to invent that.
Actually: Andriod 3.x is Googles first version of the OS and they have huge problem getting it to work.
Google has a great search engine. Probably the best in the world. Google also has the best data infrastructure. No other company have so much computer capacity so cheap as Google has. Here Google is a "good" company and releases the white papers so any company can build their own cheaper data centers.
Googles company culture is that they are prepared to test the boundaries of the law. Since they are so big, fines really doesn't matter any more. Earlier this year when Google had to pay 500 million fines: It does not matter since it is just 10% of one quarters profit.
They BOUGHT Android. They have not even managed to invent that.
Actually: Andriod 3.x is Googles first version of the OS and they have huge problem getting it to work.
Google has a great search engine. Probably the best in the world. Google also has the best data infrastructure. No other company have so much computer capacity so cheap as Google has. Here Google is a "good" company and releases the white papers so any company can build their own cheaper data centers.
Googles company culture is that they are prepared to test the boundaries of the law. Since they are so big, fines really doesn't matter any more. Earlier this year when Google had to pay 500 million fines: It does not matter since it is just 10% of one quarters profit.
Iphone had a couple of unique features that made it a success:
1) It had a WORKING internet browser.
2) Great email integration
3) Ipod capabilities.
Prada had none of the above.
ChazUK
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As an Android 3.2 user, can you tell me what google can't get working on the OS I use daily?
On your earlier point on the notification screen, I believe the person you quoted was on about the dropdown notification tray/screen, not the lockscreen. Was the dropdown notification system really available for jailbroken iPhones?
A quick tip, you may want to utilise the multiple quote feature when responding to multiple posts as to do otherwise is against the forum rules.
shompa said:
As an Android 3.2 user, can you tell me what google can't get working on the OS I use daily?
On your earlier point on the notification screen, I believe the person you quoted was on about the dropdown notification tray/screen, not the lockscreen. Was the dropdown notification system really available for jailbroken iPhones?
A quick tip, you may want to utilise the multiple quote feature when responding to multiple posts as to do otherwise is against the forum rules.
No. You only have the standard PC/Android view that mac users are stupid. You believe that they does not know that a Dell is cheaper or that you can get a phone with better tech specs with Andriod.
This thinking shows that you don't know computers. Tech specs are irrelevant to how good or fast a system is.
Google is not open, since you have to use Google search engine with it (how they make money)
Microsoft is not open since you have to buy MSFT os to use it (how they make money)
Apple is not open. But they at least follow all industry standards. Something that both Google and MSFT have problem doing for different reasons.
Why is a similar clocked iPhone faster then an Android phone?
(it has with the "openness" and "graphical layer. Check benchmarks at anandtech)
Why us a similar clocked PC faster on a mac then a pure windows machine?
(hint: how is computer booted and what component is from the 70ies on PCs)
Many tech specialists use mac before PC.
When you work with something, you don't want to have to have computer problems at home. Nothing is worse then work all day with something and then start doing it at home. We know how to build PCs, install firewalls, virus scans, not to click on .exe files and so on. But why bother if there is an alternative?
1) OSX/Ios has UNIX. Specialists usually have linux computers in their work or Unix workstation. Windows in the server market is a small part and have almost zero market share in mission critical servers. I guess you even believe that Intel has the fastest CPUs in the world? They never have had it.
2) If you take a macbook pro and configure a similar dell you will see that the price difference is only about 20%. People are prepared to pay 20% for a better OS, better support and so on.
Yes. You can get a considerable cheaper PC if you chose lower specs, something you can't do with mac and I would also never recommend gaming on a mac before a PC.
3) I bet you are a gamer. Do you realize that Microsoft forces you to use Windows? The "closed" Apple platform always follow open standards. Windows always chose their own closed standard like DirectX instead of OpenGL.
4) Come back in a couple of years. When you are young it is fun to build your own PCs and play system integrator on an Android phone. Playing integrator is something that is just a waste of time. I mean: you have to install a firewall on Android since the App stores are not secure. The battery time is horrible. (latest 4G phones has 50% less battery time then iPhone. Look at anandtech reviews. Be also amazed how dual core android beats single core A4 only with 3-8%)
I respect that you want to use Android/Windows.
Most apple users use Windows. But almost no Windows users use mac simply because they are religious like you.
Don't call Apple users stupid because they enjoy their Apple platform.
Windows has its place. Androids its place. iOS its place. It all can co exist.
But please support companies that innovate. Who is Google/MSFT gonna copy if Apple is gone?
(I work as an IT consultant. Been in the business almost 17 years. Have a science degree in computing. I know how computers work down to If/AND/OR gates. If that does not say you anything: Please study computers, not just Windows and clicking on Clippy)
You said apple "revolutionized" the industry. Being first in a trend isn't revolutionary, its just being first, and still a minor detail. Sharp was the first company that made LCDTV popular. They didnt revolutionize anything.
Are you saying that if iphone never came out in 2007, 4 years later in 2011 most of us would still be using featurephones? LOL you have no grasp of how quickly technology progresses.
pacmacman
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It's not even arguable that the iPhone created the current smartphone market. Being first isn't the same as creating the trend (a trend that followed when other companies took Apple's example.) Your Sharp analogy failed the first time you used it, try something else.
I fully understand how quickly technology progresses, but that has absolutely nothing to do with market penetration. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about - are you aware that the vast majority of cell phone users currently still use featurephones?
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CQd44
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Your english is quirky which makes me ask: In what country did you work as an IT consultant?
I don't understand what you mean by this. I can use other search engines on my Android phone. And I can use other search engines. To me, your statement is equivalent to saying that Ford isn't free since you have you buy Ford cards to use their products.
They may not be open source, but they do have every single part of their OS accessible to programmers.
Example: Hardware acceleration for videos, something which not all Macs have.
Which industry standards do you mean?
I dunno, my phone runs pretty smooth. Granted it's rooted and all that jazz, so I may not be qualified to respond to this.
My friend with a stock Samsung Galaxy S 4G whathaveyou has no complaints at all with his phone though.
You can't seriously say the BIOS is to blame (or that the EFI is to credit).
And, personally, I haven't heard of anything that can't be done in a BIOS that can be done on an EFI.I know there HAS to be something and I would appreciate it if you educated me on this.
I'm not a tech specialist, but I see no reason to use anything other than Windows. I admit, I like my games. I don't program or do anything IT, so my opinion is just that of an Average Joe.
Windows server isn't huge? Really?
Also, preeeetty sure Intel has the consumer market cornered in terms of performance.
I had a dell once. No complaints. My friend bought a dell and thus far has no complaints about anything. And I do believe Dell has on-site support available. I don't think Apple would send a tech over to your house 😉
Typically, you can get higher-grade parts for the same price or even cheaper than you can with a Mac. You can also get true configuration options if you build from scratch.
The first part of your statement doesn't make sense to me. It seems like it's the same as "Apple forces you to use iOS", which is a no-brainer.
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason DirectX is so popular is because of its portability to the Xbox 360 as well as performance and ease of use.
I *have* to install a firewall on my phone? I haven't for any of the phones I've used and I've survived just fine. I only use the Amazon AppStore and the Android Marketplace anyway since the others seem shady to me.
I don't think I can comment on battery time since I shut off data until I need it anyway. The dual core phone thing I sooort of agree with you on in how silly it is. My phone runs fine with a single core. I guess it'd run finer with two?
There ARE some zealous Mac users. As in, they REFUSE to touch a PC and praise all things Apple. I also imagine there might be some zealous Windows users.
Fanatical opinions about anything I don't agree with ;]
HTC's Sense UI is pretty innovative. I'm glad I have an HTC phone 🙂
I also can't wait to try Windows 8 just for the new UI.
I'm curious where you got your experience 🙂
ChazUK
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Not really with inaccuracies like this:
Bing search available on Android Market:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.microsoft.bing&feature=search_result
Yahoo search available on Android Market:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.search&feature=search_result
Android phones shipping with Bing:
http://www.businessinsider.com/verizon-google-bing-2010-9
Android phones shipping with Baidu:
http://phandroid.com/2010/01/25/chinese-androids-getting-baidu-search-alternative/
So that's Android phones shipping with Bing and Baidu, so no, you don't have to use Google.
Of course you will say my analogy failed but conveniently forget to say exactly why it failed. Again, apple was the first to make a trend popular. Smartphones were already heading that direction. If apple wasn't the first to make it popular someone else would have.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Your argument is that if iphone didnt exist, all the current smartphone users would still be on featurephones because according to you, apple revolutionized the smartphone market.
So after LG prada came out (which happened to be a fully touchscreen capacitive slab smartphone) in four years no company would have been able to advance that design and we'd be still using blackberries and feature phones today. The only company that could have possibly figured out how to make a mobile browser is apple!! 🙄
Eh, so what? Many of Apples innovations were simply Apple buying the company that made the innovation, Mac OS X and multi-touch for example.
Safari Mobile is nothing amazing, even in its current state. Sure, it was fully HTML capable, to bad though it was useless since the phone only had EDGE, browsing regular web sites on EDGE is a painful experience.
I don't get this, why do people think Apple has better support than every one else? Unlike many PC manufacturers, their phone support is limited to 90 days, unless you pay an additional small fortune for AppleCare, they don't send out technicians or even arrange pickup of the computer, you have to bring it in yourself, unless you have a desktop Mac with AppleCare.
AppleCare advisors are no more skilled than support personell of other compaines. As with all other compaines, they're not hired because of their technical knowledge but because they're willing to work for minimum wage. AppleCare advisors get barely adequate training, just like everywhere else. I've worked with technical support for both Apple and HP so I know what's going on there.
Sure. Since it praised Apple and bashed every one else? Never mind that it was largely incorrect.
pacmacman
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Your analogy failed because Sharp didn't create an entire market for its product, Apple did. You keep saying "Apple made it popular." Well, yes, that's not a minor point. It wasn't an accident that the iPhone was popular. They changed the way people view smartphones and the way they used them. There was not a very big smartphone market at the time, and to even suggest that slab touchscreen phones were starting to hit and Apple jumped on it is either completely ignorant of history or purposely misleading. I'll let you choose which.
People weren't interested in smartphones and paying a premium to own them until the iPhone.
No, that wasn't my argument at all. You're as good at following what someone is saying as you are analogies. I was speaking of featurephone users who have subsequently switched to smartphones. You know, all the "soccer moms" and "hipsters" that are sneeringly dismissed. People that didn't previously own smartphones that suddenly wanted one. That was due to the iPhone.
Brilliant dissection on your part. "Smartphone users then would still be smartphone users today." Y'think? Try to stick with the arguments at hand, not the ones you invent so you can bat them away.
It's not a matter of being able to reproduce it. Again, you're just not following the conversation. Maybe try reading with your eyes instead of rolling them.
The iPhone made it worth their time to pursue the technology because of the iPhone's impact on the buying public. The iPhone was a usable, fun, exciting OS. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't really believe the Prada had the same public impact as the iPhone, continuing to bring it up as though it played any role in the evolution of smartphones is a non-starter. I mean, the iPhone wasn't released as an "LG Prada killer". However, virtually every slab touchscreen post-iPhone was released as an "iPhone killer" or "iPhone clone." Revolutionary.