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There is no denying that the iPhone certainly helped Android be what it is today. If it wasn't for the iPhone, Android would certainly exist, but it wouldn't be what it is now. But that's what happens doesn't it.

Having said that, I do think Android is a much better mobile OS at present (and I'm not Apple-hating or Android fanboy-ing) it's just my personal preference. The iPhone was fantastic when it first was introduced, and it changed the mobile industry for the better.

But I do just think the whole iOS seems a bit dated now, and the notification system is horrendous. A few of iOS 4s new features (multitasking, wallpaper, folders) have been on Android for a while.

Both OS's have huge disadvantages and advantages. No one else can come close to them. If iOS 5 or future releases trump Android. Then by all means I'll be ready to get an iPhone. I'm not privy to one side.
 
Play nice boys. Competition is good for the consumer.

No, no. Let them earn their scars. Its gets them hotter girls.

There is a lot of behind the scene that is not being told here. Apple has been aiming to go into the phone market a long while before Google was even worth something.

In an interview last month, it was finally shown that what is now called the iPad was the genesis of the iPhone going way back. Once again, everyone is forgetting about how Palm / Handspring and the Treo really created the smart-phone market that both Apple and Google wanted to get into ten years ago.

With Palm now a division of HP and a shadow if itself from its glory days, people forget how it really made this market with technology a generation ago.
 
showing that Google purchased the Android platform in August 2005, a full year before Schmidt joined Apple's Board of Directors and nearly a year and a half before Apple officially announced the iPhone.

would this be mixing metaphors. Because it's not like Apple suddenly pulled the iphone out of their collective butts the day before they announced it. They would have been working it for a while and very likely before Google bought Android etc.

Plus that note about the form factor is not to be brushed off. Google did change their physical style to directly compete with the look and feel of the iphone. So Jobs was not wrong in what he said. Google did go from competing with Blackberry etc to making the iphone their direct target.
 
Wow, I think that pre-iPhone Android prototype looks horrendous.

Yes, they would have had something like that if Apple didn't come along. It is true that Google was public about a phone before the iPhone. I'll give Google that one.

Google would have just designed a phone with a keyboard and a single box with the words "Google" over it. If you wanted to call someone, you would google their name and it would search your phone for a match and list them on the screen. It would just be a web browser with links to phone and contact functions and that is all. They were instead influenced by RIM and then by Apple for the user interface.
 
Isn't this the point where Microsoft usually show up and say they have something they started work on 20 years ago that has a fancy codename (but not even a prototype yet) that is going to blow everything else out of the water sometime soon?
 
All this back and forth and to date - the iPhone still uses Google Maps. Go figure. :rolleyes: Steve can't be but so upset if that is still on the iPhone. Or maybe he has no other alternative?
 
Apple fanboys moving the goal posts (again)

Are you people not capable of reading?

Schmidt is not disputing who developed the touch phone first, nor is he even disputing that Android, in it's current form, wasn't heavily influenced by the iPhone.

He is disputing Jobs' claim that their relationship soured because Google decided to compete with Apple.

Google did not decide to compete with Apple. Google decided to compete in the mobile phone industry in 2005, well before Apple was in the market and well before Schmidt had any insider knowledge of Apple's intent to join that industry.
 
So much for getting a turn-by-turn Google Maps on the iPhone.

I hope we at least get a 1.0 version before things completely fall a part between the two. The iPhone seriously needs a decent GPS app. Paying $50 for the subpar TomTom isn't much of an option.
 
How to turn a simple well known fact to all into a 2000 page thread on MR.

Arn is laughing all the way to the bank.

Everyone knows LG was first to market with a full touch screen phone. Everyone knows Symbian and J2ME came years before the iPhone SDK. Everyone knows about Opera Mini and Opera Mobile being here before Safari Mobile. Everyone knows Google purchased Android in 2005, way before iPhone or Eric Schmidt at Apple.

Do we need yet another argument about iPhone changing anything besides the way you hold your phone ?
LG and HTC both beat Apple to market with a full touchscreen phone.
Apple's real "game changer" mainly applies to their marketing of a touch screen phone and applying a user friendly OS to it. It was this combination that made the phone style popular.
Remember... the original iPhone was using fairly dated phone technology and crippled when it was first released.
It was Apple's brand name and marketing skills that started the buzz.
 
Jobs is right, as usual.

"Well we were working on one..."

Well, when Apple came out with one - you know ACTUALLY PRODUCED IT and made it available to the world - then the game changed. Apple had created a phone unlike any other. That was Google's time to say "hey we'll play too", and try to keep up with Apple, or to stay out. "How long they've been working on it" is not pertinent anymore.

I agree! Yes I know El Goog purchased Android in August of 2005, BUT how long before 2007 was the iPhone in development and the Safari Pad that was its predecessor? Eric Schmidt probably knew about these things, and even if he didn't, after Apple released the iPhone which Eric would have known about in advance of its public release, they started to copy the iPhone...

"According to a former Apple employee, the day that the Apple-Google relationship started to crumble was the introduction of the T-Mobile G1. According to him, Steve Jobs and Apple Mobile Software VP Scott Forstall had only seen Android prototypes that looked like Blackberries. The new form factor was 'way too similar to the iPhone for Jobs' tastes'."

NOW THAT I BELIEVE!

Google is the new Microsoft! :p
 
If you look at the leaked videos of the original Android phones, they were like Blackberries, with the roller ball and all.

And if Google had been working on Android phones for so long, how was it that Apple was able to beat them to the market by almost an entire year? Also, it took Android maybe about 2 years after the release of the iPhone to have an OS that was in anyways competitive with the iOS.

The reason is simple. Android was never designed for a purely touch interface until Apple showed that this was the future.
 
Meh, the original iPhone's OS 1.x was crap, had so few features that it was really quite funny.

The form factor and full touchscreen interface may have been revolutionary, but it really took until 3.x to evolve properly...
 
He is disputing Jobs' claim that their relationship soured because Google decided to compete with Apple..

Nice rewriting of the quote. He's actually disputing the fact that Android "followed" Apple by saying that the Android came first (which is correct in fact, but not in spirit—the Android of then was no different than Windows Mobile, Blackberry, SymbianOS, or PalmOS).

A lot of evidence (phone prototypes, state of the market, the Android platform itself pre-iPhone) points to the fact that Android was targeted toward the business market with a candybar styled phone and touchboard (which were common then and conventional wisdom said that touchscreen keyboards would not work, hence the reason the P900 came with one and the LG phone still used triple tap for input). My guess is Jobs felt that Google and Apple would split the phone market first (business and consumer) before heading to compete with each other. This is why he probably ignored the significance of the Android purchase. The same can be said of Quicktime and the On2 purchase (one which Google is going to lose because they’re really facing off against a giant patent consortium, where Apple is just a minority member).

The issue here is Jobs is just too good of a salesman and ends up selling his future competitors on his ideas. He did the same with the GUI on the Macintosh (sure GUI's came from Xerox, but who do you think sold Gates on the GUI future before the release of the Macintosh? Xerox or Apple). Same goes to selling Disney on the future of 3D animation, almost to disaster (the full terms of the Pixar deal were looking very onerous just before Disney purchased the company). Those two examples are good indicators of Jobs salesmanship as neither ideas were Jobs’s, nor even close—Pixar was a Lucas company before Jobs purchased it during a bitter divorce and the Macintosh team was a Sibera that Sculley tried to send Jobs to.

(For all we know, he also sold Pixar‘s #1 competitor on the idea too as Katzenberg was studio chairman who brokered the first two Disney-Pixar deals before joining with Spielberg and Geffen to create Dreamworks SKG—and it’s clear which of the three were responsible for Dreamworks Animation Studio. There is little doubt that somehow Pixar’s projects were leaking to Katzenberg (then at) Disney—Antz/Bugs Life? Shark Tale/Nemo? Remember the story ideas for Toy Story 2, A Bugs Life, Monster’s Inc., Finding Nemo, and Wall-E were sketched out after the release of Toy Story and were probably used in the pitch for the second deal.)

How do we know that Jobs sold Schmidt on the touch-based operating system before the announcement of the iPhone? Well we don’t. But given the distance between Android and WebOS announcements in a business where it was 100% of Palm's business but incidental to Google’s (after all, they just power the search and don't make money off the platform at all), we can deduce that the iPhone development and Job’s personal relationship with Eric Schmidt had a substatial impact on the Google Android platform.

Still, there is nothing untoward or illegal about this—it is as much an error on Jobs part as an opportunity for Schmidt. If anything it probably says that Eric Schmidt is a much smarter businessman than we give him credit for (or Steve Jobs did, for that matter)—certainly he is no John Sculley.
 
How to turn a simple well known fact to all into a 2000 page thread on MR.

Arn is laughing all the way to the bank.

Everyone knows LG was first to market with a full touch screen phone. Everyone knows Symbian and J2ME came years before the iPhone SDK. Everyone knows about Opera Mini and Opera Mobile being here before Safari Mobile. Everyone knows Google purchased Android in 2005, way before iPhone or Eric Schmidt at Apple.

Do we need yet another argument about iPhone changing anything besides the way you hold your phone ?

I agree with you and I'll add 'who cares' to the list. They all beg, borrow, and steal ideas from each other. That's how technology works, by 'standing on the shoulders of giants.'

Oh no, I've even been sucked into commenting on this thread :rolleyes:
 
Well, we all know Android looked and worked nothing like the iPhone prior to the iPhone so yeah, maybe Android was around first, but Google clearly took the UI and the concepts from the iPhone. I'm pretty sure the multi-touch interface wasn't a part of Android back in 2006 and I'm pretty sure the notion of an app store wasn't there either.

But you know, regardless of what really happened or the timeline involved, Google is learning the lesson that Apple learned back the in 80s when Microsoft took the Mac GUI and produced a similar OS for a wider range of hardware. Doesn't matter who was first with the idea. It matters who was first to market and who caters to the biggest number of people and needs. Microsoft was first to market a GUI-based OS for a wide range of PCs and they catered to more needs by being compatible with DOS software and the existing hardware.

The irony here is that the hardware situation is reversed from the PC days. In not being on a wider range of hardware, Apple is able to better cater to users and their needs. Sort of cracks me up when people try to draw parallels between the early PC-vs-Mac days and the iPhone-vs-Android situation and claim that because Android is on a wider range of hardware, it's going to win just like Windows did. The critical difference is that PCs were open in ways that cell phone never were. You could build your own PC back then (still can) but you can't build you own phone. Know anyone building their own Blackberry or Droid? So this wider range of hardware causes platform fragmentation which adds up to serving the customer's needs poorly in comparison to the iPhone.
 
Can anyone of the two faced totalitarian creeps at google tell us how apple's private data and our own was shared with absolutely no consideration of privacy.

Enough with these creeps already, they are making ms sympathetic with their preposterous antics.
 
Wah. You were working on a trashy RIM-lookalike ho-hum. Android was inspired through and through by the iPhone. I don't really care—competition drives the whole market to new heights and we all benefit—but if you're going to copy someone (and wow, Google, you've become great at that lately), don't try to pretend you're the key innovator.
this! + nagrommes post from page 1. 'nuff said. :)

Disclaimer: I like both iOS/iPhone AND Android.... just in case someone wants to go down the fanboy-route.... don't! ;)
 
Apple is always re-doing stuff and claiming its revolutionary. The first thing that comes to mind is "Spaces".. hahah, X desktops as far back as the 80s had virtual workspaces.

Likewise with Google, Microsoft, et al. They all claim to do something first. This is boring news. BLAH.
 
So Google started first and released a product one year after Apple did? EPIC FAIL. Apple had less time to develop and manufacture a product and still is kicking Google in the sprouts with each iPhone 4. Schmidt is basically saying that Android took more time to develop than the iPhone and is still losing.
 
Well, we all know Android looked and worked nothing like the iPhone prior to the iPhone so yeah, maybe Android was around first, but Google clearly took the UI and the concepts from the iPhone. I'm pretty sure the multi-touch interface wasn't a part of Android back in 2006 and I'm pretty sure the notion of an app store wasn't there either.

No, but it's a good thing Wallpapers, Folders, Multi-tasking and Copy/Paste were, or Apple might never have given them to their users. So Apple clearly took some ideas from Android too it seems.

How the almighty leader becomes the meek follower. :rolleyes:

Seriously, this is going to drag on and on and on. The point is, no one is right, no one is wrong. Apple was first to market, Google was first to publicly announce they were working on a phone. Neither were first or invented the smartphone movement, and neither is best in market.

Nokia is still king of marketshare, RIM is still #2. Fight the crumbs guys.
 
It's funny to see fanboys from both sides riled up.

Page and Brin was known to visit Jobs frequently to discuss techonogies and future trends. While there is competition between Apple and Google, their personal relationship is unlikely to be hostile.

Just look at Jobs at Schmidt. They had coffee in broad daylight days after the supposedly public blow-up between Google and Apple. All the public hostility between Google and Apple is created to mask the previous cozy relationship between the two.

Chill out fanboys, it's just a phone. Not worth it. :D
 
The fact is, all companies copy each other, including Apple. Steve Jobs should be a little less whinny.

But that's been his marketing strategy since Apple shipped the first Mac... "Everybody's stealing the ideas from us that we stole from Xerox!"

Or, as Bill Gates once said to Steve Jobs: "We both had this rich neighbor, and when I climbed through the windows into his living room to steal his TV I found that you had already stolen it."

You know, the most jealous people are usually those who are cheating on their partners themselves. And why? It's the "I'm doing it, so everybody else must be doing it, too"-mentality.
 
Google will always copy Apple... Apple has the creativity & Google has the power.

As long as both companies are big innovators, I like both companies & will let them fight over their innovations, because ultimately the consumer(you & me) win. :)

Am I the only one enjoying their unfriendly relationship that arose from the G1...
 
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