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It’s common knowledge.

You mean common myth. These home devices are not intended to pass on anything they hear until/unless they hear their command wakeup phrase.

Your avatar suggests that you have worked for miliatary intelligence in the past, so I’ll take your comment as spin.

It means you can take my comments as being far more informed.

I never cease to be amazed at how some young people these days think that everyone else is so interested in knowing what they say :rolleyes:
 
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Okay, am I missing something with this new fad of "smart" speakers? Like what is the point of them? Its just a bluetooth speaker with Amazon/Google/Apple's crappy "smart" assistant built in. What functionality does it provide other then having to shout at it 6 times to get it to play the correct song.

Yep, you are missing something.

I use mine to control my lights. I can't remember the last time I used a wall switch. Instead, I give voice commands like "turn on the downstairs lighting" and three rooms come on at the correct brightness and color.

In the kitchen, I use them constantly to convert measurements and set timers. When the timer goes off, the lights flash downstairs so if I'm not in the kitchen anymore by then, I won't miss it. I also use it to play music.

In my bedroom, I use them to listen to audiobooks, and sometimes to play sleep sounds like rain. I can find out the time without rolling over or even opening my eyes just by asking. And, if it is too cold or hot, I can change the thermostat. I get the weather forecast while I'm getting dressed, so I can pick the right clothes for the weather.

The main thing you are missing is the other devices that integrate with these assistants. If you had them, you would know what all the fuss is about.
 
Yep, you are missing something.

I use mine to control my lights. I can't remember the last time I used a wall switch. Instead, I give voice commands like "turn on the downstairs lighting" and three rooms come on at the correct brightness and color.

In the kitchen, I use them constantly to convert measurements and set timers. When the timer goes off, the lights flash downstairs so if I'm not in the kitchen anymore by then, I won't miss it. I also use it to play music.

In my bedroom, I use them to listen to audiobooks, and sometimes to play sleep sounds like rain. I can find out the time without rolling over or even opening my eyes just by asking. And, if it is too cold or hot, I can change the thermostat. I get the weather forecast while I'm getting dressed, so I can pick the right clothes for the weather.

The main thing you are missing is the other devices that integrate with these assistants. If you had them, you would know what all the fuss is about.

Okay so a lot of that would require me to buy a couple hundred to thousands of dollars worth of companion technology such as smart lights and smart thermostats.

The kitchen stuff is moot to me. I just use the timer on my stove. As for audiobooks/music, I already own a bluetooth speaker that works great. If I want to know the time I just look at my watch.

Sorry, but it just seems like for anything really interesting you need to spend a ton of money on smart hardware. Anything it can do on its own can be achieved on a smartphone just as easily.
 
You mean common myth. These home devices are not intended to pass on anything they hear until/unless they hear their command wakeup phrase.



It means you can take my comments as being far more informed.

I never cease to be amazed at how some young people these days think that everyone else is so interested in knowing what they say :rolleyes:

"Far more informed"? And yet you assert falsehoods which have been discredited here on MacRumors: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/google-developing-eavesdropping-software.231877/

Also, I am 43 years old.
 
Okay so a lot of that would require me to buy a couple hundred to thousands of dollars worth of companion technology such as smart lights and smart thermostats.

The kitchen stuff is moot to me. I just use the timer on my stove. As for audiobooks/music, I already own a bluetooth speaker that works great. If I want to know the time I just look at my watch.

Sorry, but it just seems like for anything really interesting you need to spend a ton of money on smart hardware. Anything it can do on its own can be achieved on a smartphone just as easily.
Home automation/smart home stuff isn't all that expensive these days FWIW.
 
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"Far more informed"? And yet you assert falsehoods which have been discredited here on MacRumors: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/google-developing-eavesdropping-software.231877/

Also, I am 43 years old.

While I agree with what you are saying about Google and how they may be eavesdropping, I have been looking into how this Google Home Mini operates. So far I have logged the network traffic to and from the Mini and it does indeed only send data back to Google after you wake it up by saying “hey Google” or “ok Google.” If Google wanted to they could always silently send out an update to change this though or somehow program it to listen to certain words and record what you’re saying, who knows :confused:
 
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While I agree with what you are saying about Google and how they may be eavesdropping, I have been looking into how this Google Home Mini operates. So far I have logged the network traffic to and from the Mini and it does indeed only send data back to Google after you wake it up by saying “hey Google” or “ok Google.” If Google wanted to they could always silently send out an update to change this though or somehow program it to listen to certain words and record what you’re saying, who knows :confused:

Yes - and also who's to stop any of these companies from recording when offline then uploading the recordings to their server? I'm not a privacy freak - I use my real name practically everywhere - but I'll draw the line when I need to..
 
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are these things worth even buying? Same with the amazon one, I'm still on the fence with products like this, i don't know if i would even use them.
 
"Far more informed"?

About what NSA wants, yes.

And yet you assert falsehoods which have been discredited here on MacRumors: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/google-developing-eavesdropping-software.231877/

What falsehoods? These devices are not sending our conversations up all the time. Asserting otherwise is a falsehood.

As for Google, that's an R&D paper that does not apply to the Home unit (yet, anyway). What that paper describes is basically a Shazam like application, matching known TV shows to the sound signature heard in the background. No voice is sent up.

If they ever decide to do that, then sure I would desire that it be able to be disabled. But not necessarily all the time, after all, the whole point of an intelligent assistant is that it's not dumb to surroundings and context. For example, it would make sense to be able to say, "Hey Device, what other shows like the one playing now on the TV are available?"

For that matter, my settop box and the local cable company or my media provider already know what show I'm watching. Rather late to be worrying about it now.
 
I mean, yeah, like the iPhone X display? That wasn't straight up disabling an entire chunk of functionality though. I can't think of a time they ever did that... maybe swapping the iPad toggle functionality?

I was mainly thinking about software fixes that throttle CPU speed to prevent shutdowns due to battery issues(iPhone 6s) or throttle GPU speed to prevent premature failure(I believe this was implemented with the 2011/2012 15” MBP). I’m sure there are others, but these are the first two that come to mind.

I have an Android with Google Assistant and I think I tried it out once like 2 years ago or whenever they introduced it. Pretty much the same thing I did with Siri way back when I had an iPhone. I asked it a few stupid things to get it to say something funny, and then I went back to just using the touchscreen UI for everything.

I don’t use voice commands on my phones (iOS or Android) either, but for a device at home in the kitchen, it’s pretty useful when your hands are full. Frankly Siri has always been disappointing to me, so even though I’ll revisit the function occasionally, it doesn’t seem to work as well as the competition.
 
Home automation/smart home stuff isn't all that expensive these days FWIW.

Its stupid expensive. Especially smart lighting. Its 170$ for the Philips Hue+Color starter kit, or 90$ for the Hue without color starter kit. And then its 20$ a per bulb for the non-color Hue or 60$ a bulb for Hue+color. Compared to 6$ a bulb for the non-hue Philips LED bulbs, thats stupidly expensive just to control my lights via a smart device.

Not to mention my home uses baseboard heating, and each room has its own thermostat. I haven't even found a "smart" thermostat for baseboards yet, but considering a dumb, non-programmable thermostat is about 40$, I imagine a "smart" thermostat would cost triple that at least. And thats for each room in my house.

So its not affordable, and its definitely not worth the money and time just so I can yell at a hockey puck to change the lights/temperature.
 
Its stupid expensive. Especially smart lighting. Its 170$ for the Philips Hue+Color starter kit, or 90$ for the Hue without color starter kit. And then its 20$ a per bulb for the non-color Hue or 60$ a bulb for Hue+color. Compared to 6$ a bulb for the non-hue Philips LED bulbs, thats stupidly expensive just to control my lights via a smart device.

Not to mention my home uses baseboard heating, and each room has its own thermostat. I haven't even found a "smart" thermostat for baseboards yet, but considering a dumb, non-programmable thermostat is about 40$, I imagine a "smart" thermostat would cost triple that at least. And thats for each room in my house.

So its not affordable, and its definitely not worth the money and time just so I can yell at a hockey puck to change the lights/temperature.
the Phillips stuff sucks IMO.

I have done my entire living room for under $100 using Sylvania tunable white bulbs. And have started buying Sengeled Element bulbs that are under $10 for other locations.

You can do it even cheaper if you go w/ Z-Wave/Z-Wave Plus switches/plugs.
 
Its stupid expensive. Especially smart lighting. Its 170$ for the Philips Hue+Color starter kit, or 90$ for the Hue without color starter kit. And then its 20$ a per bulb for the non-color Hue or 60$ a bulb for Hue+color. Compared to 6$ a bulb for the non-hue Philips LED bulbs, thats stupidly expensive just to control my lights via a smart device.

Not to mention my home uses baseboard heating, and each room has its own thermostat. I haven't even found a "smart" thermostat for baseboards yet, but considering a dumb, non-programmable thermostat is about 40$, I imagine a "smart" thermostat would cost triple that at least. And thats for each room in my house.

So its not affordable, and its definitely not worth the money and time just so I can yell at a hockey puck to change the lights/temperature.

Actually it only cost me about $15 for a smartthings link hub for Nvidia shield that I already had for my tv. The bulbs only cost $10 online, which I bought 2. I also purchased one in stores for $15. My smart smoke alarm cost around $35. 2 google home minis cost $19 each after gift card deal.

So in total I spent about $125 for a smart hub, 3 bulbs, smoke alarm and 2 google home minis. Also note how all these smart devices are only slightly higher priced than regular devices. You just have to know where to shop.
 
But what does it do that I cant just do by tapping my phone a few times? Touchscreens (at least in my experience) have way less margin for error then voice commands.

And again, why would I need this hockey puck looking thing? It doesn't do anything my smartphone cant do.

It's way more convenient when its a choice between having to fetch your phone or calling out with a single command. It's one of those things that is certainly optional but quite convenient when you have it.
 
Tin foil hat nonsense.

Many of us don't keep our smartphone clutched in our hand 24/7.

Agreed. Not exactly sure what Google could do with a recording of me having a normal conversation about running out of milk.

And to point number 2; I’ve just spent a lot of money on an iPhone X. This iPhone X goes straight on a wireless charger as soon as I’m home and stays there unless I need to look at something. I’ve got an Apple Watch for notifications, and google home minis dotted around for music, timers, info, and alarms. They really are great little devices. Not at all worried about google spying on me.
 
the Phillips stuff sucks IMO.

I have done my entire living room for under $100 using Sylvania tunable white bulbs. And have started buying Sengeled Element bulbs that are under $10 for other locations.

You can do it even cheaper if you go w/ Z-Wave/Z-Wave Plus switches/plugs.

So what your saying is, not only does this "smart" crap cost more, theres about 50 different versions of it. Sounds swell.
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Actually it only cost me about $15 for a smartthings link hub for Nvidia shield that I already had for my tv. The bulbs only cost $10 online, which I bought 2. I also purchased one in stores for $15. My smart smoke alarm cost around $35. 2 google home minis cost $19 each after gift card deal.

So in total I spent about $125 for a smart hub, 3 bulbs, smoke alarm and 2 google home minis. Also note how all these smart devices are only slightly higher priced than regular devices. You just have to know where to shop.

And I'm not going to spend extra just so I can turn the lights off with a voice command when I can walk 2 meters and flip a switch. The picture this tech paints to me is paying money to increase a persons ability to be lazy. Especially not since I just finished replacing all my lights with "dumb" LEDs anyways. Go on a sale like I do and you can get regular LED bulbs for about 4$ each. Its not worth an extra 6$ a bulb just to avoid standing up.
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Agreed. Not exactly sure what Google could do with a recording of me having a normal conversation about running out of milk.

And to point number 2; I’ve just spent a lot of money on an iPhone X. This iPhone X goes straight on a wireless charger as soon as I’m home and stays there unless I need to look at something. I’ve got an Apple Watch for notifications, and google home minis dotted around for music, timers, info, and alarms. They really are great little devices. Not at all worried about google spying on me.

If you actually have a phone with a good battery you don't need to stick it on a charger all day. Your literally paying money to do the same things the phone you already own can do except with voice commands.

And I should add, maybe you guys can get them cheaper, but all the stores around here sell is the Philips Hue stuff. Ordering online isn't an option for me.
 
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