Google I/O 2016

[spriter]

The U.S. versions of the Note 6, won't be seeing Android 7.0 "N" until like March / April 2017.

And that's not a joke, but reality.

Sad but true. Add the rest of the world to that timeframe as well.

Samsung's most glaring fail.

 

[epicrayban]

Interesting stuff:

Google built a tiny radar system into a smartwatch for gesture controls
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/20/11720876/google-soli-smart-watch-radar-atap-io-2016
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Snowden: Don’t use Google Allo
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/0...ption/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

“Google’s decision to disable end-to-end encryption by default in its new #Allo chat app is dangerous, and makes it unsafe,” Snowden said on Twitter.

This is interesting: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Futu...able-end-to-end-encryption-by-default_id81335

Future versions of Google Allo might let you enable end-to-end encryption by default

Security engineer Thai Duong published a blog post, explaining that a setting where users can opt out of clear text messaging is in the plans. Rather than entering 'Incognito mode' and losing out on the cool Google-powered functionality, users will be able to configure 'Allo' to always chat in secure mode while still being able to invoke the smart AI assistant.

 

[mrex]

 

[epicrayban]

At first, I didn't understand the craziness over Instant Apps, but now that I've learned more about what it is, it's actually pretty neat and impressive. A lot of potential here to make the Android experience even more seamless.

I really love how Android N is fine-tuning a lot of simple but useful ideas. Like the Quick Switch feature. The "alt-tab" of Android.

Also, early feedback of Android N's beta is that it's already incredibly stable. Stable enough to serve as your daily driver OS.

Android N's simple potential continues to impress.

 

[sotorious]

The U.S. versions of the Note 6, won't be seeing Android 7.0 "N" until like March / April 2017.

And that's not a joke, but reality.

If i dont decide to go apple this year its def not going to be a note again just for the slow updates.

 

[epicrayban]

Is there any ideas about whether the Google now launcher will get updated with certain Android N features? Simple, applicable ones like folder themes, etc.?

Any word on something like that?

 

[yellowscreen]

isnt this completely true? and i mean really, honestly?

 

[MRU]

isnt this completely true? and i mean really, honestly?

It's apple insider and more over it's an article by Dan Diliger, whom even Apple insider followers / readers will acknowledge is very anti google and Samsung.


Indeed one of the reader replies to another questioning its bias / accuracy ..

Uh, where you been dude? DED only preaches to the choir, lest we forget how awesome we are ;-D

3 Anti Google/Andriod/Samsung articles in 2 days. He's breaking his own record!

He is for opinions on Apple vs Android much akin to Donald Trump on opinions of himself vs all races/women/gays. i.e. A bit of a ***k !!!

 

[yellowscreen]

It's apple insider and more over it's an article by Dan Diliger, whom even Apple insider followers / readers will acknowledge is very anti google and Samsung.


Indeed one of the reader replies to another questioning its bias / accuracy ..


He is for opinions on Apple vs Android much akin to Donald Trump on opinions of himself vs all races/women/gays. i.e. A bit of a ***k !!!

what if i posted the text without the author?

disregarding arguments simply because you dont agree with the source is what makes you donald trump. have you read the article?

 

[jamezr]

what if i posted the text without the author?

disregarding arguments simply because you dont agree with the source is what makes you donald trump. have you read the article?

When reading articles you always have to consider the source of the information. In this case the source doesn't have any credibility. He is known to outright distort the truth to fit his agenda. He doesn't hide his agenda because he is speaking to the choir so to speak on appleinsider.

 

[MRU]

what if i posted the text without the author?

disregarding arguments simply because you dont agree with the source is what makes you donald trump. have you read the article?

Yes I have read the article. I disagree with his points and moreover when within the first couple of paragraphs, to illustrate his opinion he utilised a graph from 2 years ago, I honestly think any points he makes after then have to be taken with a measure of cynicism and skepticism in equal measure.

The fact he goes on to declare the introduction of Apple Maps in IOS 8 as better than Google Maps after the disaster that was the release of apple maps is testament to how rose tinted his opinion is. He then pulls out the Steve Jobs couldn't save android nonsense.

His point re: Allo & Duo may indeed be inspired by iMessage / FaceTime - but only in the same way that iMessage and FaceTime were progression of existing technology/services that Apple took and tailored it to its platform. Apple refined them for its product and Google is essentially doing the same but has to bridge more OEM's and in the process is embedding googles search and services directly into the messaging / video systems so that they are tailored and refined for its platform. If they are not innovative for doing this, then the same argument can be made for FaceTime and iMessage if you consider them innovative.

He seems to continuously argue that Google lack innovation because they are not a hardware business, which entirely misses the point that Google are a services company and Android is a platform for delivering those services.

Furthermore the language he uses in his article are tabloid esque gutter trash. Describing Google Home for example as
"Google Home, the surveillance search bar for your home" is clearly setting the tone of paranoia.

 

[maxsix]

At first, I didn't understand the craziness over Instant Apps, but now that I've learned more about what it is, it's actually pretty neat and impressive. A lot of potential here to make the Android experience even more seamless.

I really love how Android N is fine-tuning a lot of simple but useful ideas. Like the Quick Switch feature. The "alt-tab" of Android.

Also, early feedback of Android N's beta is that it's already incredibly stable. Stable enough to serve as your daily driver OS.

Android N's simple potential continues to impress.

Well said!

Apple loving Google haters are so busy hurling fear based comments, they're missing the significance of Google's innovation. How quickly they overlook how Google has contributed to their own daily online experience. Touching so many aspects of our Internet centric lifestyle, without the many tools Google provides for free, the haters would be woefully out of touch.

Thankfully during this period of Apple coasting and profit taking, Google is providing great solutions. My stellar Nexus 6P is but one of the many Google products that enhance my experience.

 

[domino67]

The U.S. versions of the Note 6, won't be seeing Android 7.0 "N" until like March / April 2017.

And that's not a joke, but reality.

It must be a joke because Samsung have stated that the Note 6 will come with Android N. Android N will be released 2 months before the Note 6.

 

[MRU]

It must be a joke because Samsung have stated that the Note 6 will come with Android N. Android N will be released 2 months before the Note 6.

Where have Samsung stated this officially ?

Given Sam-mobile has stated firmwares are being assembled for the Note 6 now, they will be based on Android M.

Also if Samsung stick to August for release of the Note 6, it will be going into manufacturing within a matter of weeks, android N is not due out imminently and therefore once again the chance of getting N on a phone released in August is extremely slim. If they achieve it, it will be the first time they have ever done so.

 

[Surf Donkey]

It must be a joke because Samsung have stated that the Note 6 will come with Android N. Android N will be released 2 months before the Note 6.

Source for this from Samsung? Sammobile certainly hasn't heard about this yet.....

http://www.sammobile.com/2016/05/19/exclusive-samsung-flagships-could-get-android-n-in-q4-this-year/

For those wondering if the Galaxy Note 6 will come with Android N out of the box, we’re afraid we don’t have any concrete information. Our source says firmware development on the Note 6 is in its early stages, so we can’t rule out the possibility of the device being released with Marshmallow.

 

[yellowscreen]

Yes I have read the article. I disagree with his points and moreover when within the first couple of paragraphs, to illustrate his opinion he utilised a graph from 2 years ago, I honestly think any points he makes after then have to be taken with a measure of cynicism and skepticism in equal measure.

The fact he goes on to declare the introduction of Apple Maps in IOS 8 as better than Google Maps after the disaster that was the release of apple maps is testament to how rose tinted his opinion is. He then pulls out the Steve Jobs couldn't save android nonsense.

His point re: Allo & Duo may indeed be inspired by iMessage / FaceTime - but only in the same way that iMessage and FaceTime were progression of existing technology/services that Apple took and tailored it to its platform. Apple refined them for its product and Google is essentially doing the same but has to bridge more OEM's and in the process is embedding googles search and services directly into the messaging / video systems so that they are tailored and refined for its platform. If they are not innovative for doing this, then the same argument can be made for FaceTime and iMessage if you consider them innovative.

He seems to continuously argue that Google lack innovation because they are not a hardware business, which entirely misses the point that Google are a services company and Android is a platform for delivering those services.

Furthermore the language he uses in his article are tabloid esque gutter trash. Describing Google Home for example as
"Google Home, the surveillance search bar for your home" is clearly setting the tone of paranoia.

so you argumentatively disagreed with 1% of the article while disregarding everything else based on the source. ill mention him again, donald trump

you disagree that sundar was brought to supervise teenagers running google throwing ideas around with less than one in 10 of those gained any traction and that he failed in doing so? given the trajectory google is on these past few years.

you disagree that google track record of successful ideas is anything less than embarressing?

you disagree that google failed to increase new android version penetration? the penetration is actually slowing down?

regarding the obsolete graph you strongly brought up, look at the most up to date graphs and you'll see why there wasnt a point in using the newer one. should i post it?

you disagree that the latest samsung q1 earnings are barely two thirds of those in 2013 at its peak?

do you disagree that google's and samsung interests dont converge because the google is about reaching the next billion people by selling sub 100$ phones while samsung hopes for the opposite?

you disagree that that kind of interest clash renders google unfocused on the most lucrative segment of the market (abandoning android silver)?

you disagree that android is objectively in the same situation as symbian in 2008 with a bunch of oems scraping for profits and leading the platform everywhere but nowhere?

you disagree that this years and last years google io were full of too far fetched or plain dumb ideas, like project ara? in context of the past google initiatives

you disagree that android daydream is a failure from the start given the most important players have their own proprietary solutions and given googles past failure to control or directs oems in any meaningful way? why would they suddenly listen to a search company with as much failures as google - google tv, android tv, tablets, silver, google one?

you agree that nobody wants to pay for 650$ phones while google is suddenly trying the exact opposite with VR?

you disagree that apple is so dominant in smartwatches that IDC put 25 bucks bands (vs 300$) so apple could appear to have some competition? you disagree that android wear is a failure from the numbers sold aspect? what marketshare does android wear have? how about tizen? where does apple stand in 300+ bucks market?

you agree that a bunch of companies barely making money on smartphones and not making any on smartwatches are going tho outperform apple in the high end, especially considering googles ADHD and chronic lack of focus?

you disagree that google suffers from adhd? you disagree that google of the past has thrown around a bunch of ideas with barely any of them failed to materialize? should we count them?

you disagree that android security capability and record are embarrassing and has a very unattractive user demographic from a financial aspect?

you disagree that google is facing litigation from oracle because of the stolen api implementations?

you disagree that google would be very happy if chromeOS somehow replaced android mess but its not taking off except in poor k-12 schools saving every nickel?

you disagree with all those reviews of pixel C lacking tablet features, eg. actual tablet apps? and those apps are now gonna run on big screens?

you agree that suddenly, after all those years of android tablets and bad performance from chromeOS, developers will concentrate on tablet/large screen apps?

you disagree that running android apps on blackberry didnt brought any kind of betterment for the android platform? why did microsoft gave up on running android apps? i now chrome anroid apps are gonna bring high quality android tablet apps?

you disagree that chromeos is a bad performer?

you disagree that google utterly failed to make money on any kind of hardware?

you disagree that duo and allo are completely unnecessary in this crowded market and that they'll probably fail as the most other google initiatives? should we count them?

you disagree that google is slowly creeping towards apple ideology and solutions while apple stays at its current trajectory?

you disagree that the whisper and shout is an idiot feature people earning millions should be ashamed of?

what about point of DED that using machine learning to speak with other people makes us less intimate?

you disagree that if any company is accused of spying on its users, first on the line are google and facebook? their future depends on it.

project ara: DED makes a good point. so its upgradable, means you can keep it longer. now imagine a phone 3 years old with a couple parts upgraded? is that ina ny way a good idea?

you disagree that existing project ara modules are all pretty useless? should i post some examples

you disagree with DED observation that google IO looks like, behaves and aspires to Burning man? both literally and figuratively

you disagree with alot.

does anyone here watch silicon valley?

 

[Tig Bitties]

It must be a joke because Samsung have stated that the Note 6 will come with Android N. Android N will be released 2 months before the Note 6.

The stable final version Android N will NOT be officially released next month in June ( Two months ahead of the August release for the Note 6 ).

The latest Android OS release ALWAYS comes out first on the the brand new Nexus phone or Nexus tablet, never once has a non Nexus device got a new Android release before them. And that has not happened yet, and isn't supposed to happen until like Sept / Oct when the HTC Nexus line is introduced running the final Android N release.

So...the Note 6 at best might see it 90 days after the Nexus phones ( sometime in Winter ), but for Samsung that would be amazingly quick, and pretty much unheard of for them, I would bet on the Note 6 getting N sometime early 2017. Typically Samsung runs about 4 to 5 months on Android OS updates after Nexus, and U.S. Carriers will be about 6 months.

 

[MRU]

so you argumentatively disagreed with 1% of the article while disregarding everything else based on the source. ill mention him again, donald trump

you disagree that sundar was brought to supervise teenagers running google throwing ideas around with less than one in 10 of those gained any traction and that he failed in doing so? given the trajectory google is on these past few years.

you disagree that google track record of successful ideas is anything less than embarressing?

you disagree that google failed to increase new android version penetration? the penetration is actually slowing down?

regarding the obsolete graph you strongly brought up, look at the most up to date graphs and you'll see why there wasnt a point in using the newer one. should i post it?

you disagree that the latest samsung q1 earnings are barely two thirds of those in 2013 at its peak?

do you disagree that google's and samsung interests dont converge because the google is about reaching the next billion people by selling sub 100$ phones while samsung hopes for the opposite?

you disagree that that kind of interest clash renders google unfocused on the most lucrative segment of the market (abandoning android silver)?

you disagree that android is objectively in the same situation as symbian in 2008 with a bunch of oems scraping for profits and leading the platform everywhere but nowhere?

you disagree that this years and last years google io were full of too far fetched or plain dumb ideas, like project ara? in context of the past google initiatives

you disagree that android daydream is a failure from the start given the most important players have their own proprietary solutions and given googles past failure to control or directs oems in any meaningful way? why would they suddenly listen to a search company with as much failures as google - google tv, android tv, tablets, silver, google one?

you agree that nobody wants to pay for 650$ phones while google is suddenly trying the exact opposite with VR?

you disagree that apple is so dominant in smartwatches that IDC put 25 bucks bands (vs 300$) so apple could appear to have some competition? you disagree that android wear is a failure from the numbers sold aspect? what marketshare does android wear have? how about tizen? where does apple stand in 300+ bucks market?

you agree that a bunch of companies barely making money on smartphones and not making any on smartwatches are going tho outperform apple in the high end, especially considering googles ADHD and chronic lack of focus?

you disagree that google suffers from adhd? you disagree that google of the past has thrown around a bunch of ideas with barely any of them failed to materialize? should we count them?

you disagree that android security capability and record are embarrassing and has a very unattractive user demographic from a financial aspect?

you disagree that google is facing litigation from oracle because of the stolen api implementations?

you disagree that google would be very happy if chromeOS somehow replaced android mess but its not taking off except in poor k-12 schools saving every nickel?

you disagree with all those reviews of pixel C lacking tablet features, eg. actual tablet apps? and those apps are now gonna run on big screens?

you agree that suddenly, after all those years of android tablets and bad performance from chromeOS, developers will concentrate on tablet/large screen apps?

you disagree that running android apps on blackberry didnt brought any kind of betterment for the android platform? why did microsoft gave up on running android apps? i now chrome anroid apps are gonna bring high quality android tablet apps?

you disagree that chromeos is a bad performer?

you disagree that google utterly failed to make money on any kind of hardware?

you disagree that duo and allo are completely unnecessary in this crowded market and that they'll probably fail as the most other google initiatives? should we count them?

you disagree that google is slowly creeping towards apple ideology and solutions while apple stays at its current trajectory?

you disagree that the whisper and shout is an idiot feature people earning millions should be ashamed of?

what about point of DED that using machine learning to speak with other people makes us less intimate?

you disagree that if any company is accused of spying on its users, first on the line are google and facebook? their future depends on it.

project ara: DED makes a good point. so its upgradable, means you can keep it longer. now imagine a phone 3 years old with a couple parts upgraded? is that ina ny way a good idea?

you disagree that existing project ara modules are all pretty useless? should i post some examples

you disagree with DED observation that google IO looks like, behaves and aspires to Burning man? both literally and figuratively

you disagree with alot.

does anyone here watch silicon valley?

Wow that was a lot of vitriol, given your post history it's no wonder you empathise so much with Apple Insider.

And yes I disagree with most of the article and as a Mac user for over 20 years, screaming lack of innovation at Google is akin to the Pot calling the Kettle black.

But no point arguing with you, it's clear your posting for reaction and have many a chip on your shoulder.

 

[epicrayban]

Wow that was a lot of vitriol, given your post history it's no wonder you empathise so much with Apple Insider.

And yes I disagree with most of the article and as a Mac user for over 20 years, screaming lack of innovation at Google is akin to the Pot calling the Kettle black.

But no point arguing with you, it's clear your posting for reaction and have many a chip on your shoulder.

I agree.

Anybody referencing AppleInside or iMore with any serious intent at an honest conversation is, well... disagreeable.

 

[jamezr]

Where have Samsung stated this officially ?

Given Sam-mobile has stated firmwares are being assembled for the Note 6 now, they will be based on Android M.

Also if Samsung stick to August for release of the Note 6, it will be going into manufacturing within a matter of weeks, android N is not due out imminently and therefore once again the chance of getting N on a phone released in August is extremely slim. If they achieve it, it will be the first time they have ever done so.

I agree...personally I don't see Google letting the Note 6 have Android N before the new Nexus phones are released. I am sure that is in the contract with the OEM Nexus phone maker. To be the first with N is a selling point. I doubt Google will let another OEM be first to market with their new OS release.

 

[domino67]

The stable final version Android N will NOT be officially released next month in June ( Two months ahead of the August release for the Note 6 ).

The latest Android OS release ALWAYS comes out first on the the brand new Nexus phone or Nexus tablet, never once has a non Nexus device got a new Android release before them. And that has not happened yet, and isn't supposed to happen until like Sept / Oct when the HTC Nexus line is introduced running the final Android N release.

So...the Note 6 at best might see it 90 days after the Nexus phones ( sometime in Winter ), but for Samsung that would be amazingly quick, and pretty much unheard of for them, I would bet on the Note 6 getting N sometime early 2017. Typically Samsung runs about 4 to 5 months on Android OS updates after Nexus, and U.S. Carriers will be about 6 months.

"In total Android N has more than 250 new features and enhancements, and Google promises to make it available later this summer. A "beta quality" version of Android N is available to download today for Nexus devices and the Pixel C tablet."

They have never released a beta prior to Google I/O except this year.....so obviously things can change from the usual time lines.

While I cant find a concrete article about Note 6/Android N I am certain I read somewhere it was getting it at release.

In any event Android N is to be released late summer, and the Note 6 is supposed to be mid-august.

 

[epicrayban]

I can't imagine Google wouldn't be the first to ship a device with Android N, but stranger things have happened.

 

[Surf Donkey]

In any event Android N is to be released late summer, and the Note 6 is supposed to be mid-august.

Later this summer = Sept = Nexus announce. Pretty standard stuff.

 

[Tig Bitties]

"In total Android N has more than 250 new features and enhancements, and Google promises to make it available later this summer. A "beta quality" version of Android N is available to download today for Nexus devices and the Pixel C tablet."

They have never released a beta prior to Google I/O except this year.....so obviously things can change from the usual time lines.

While I cant find a concrete article about Note 6 I am certain I read somewhere it was getting it at release.

In any event Android N is to be released late summer, and the Note 6 is supposed to be mid-august.

I could have sworn that Android M was available for beta testing last Summer, for Nexus devices only, months before it's official release. And that didn't help the Note 5 get Marshmallow any quicker.

I still stand, by saying that Android N. will be seen first on the next gen HTC Nexus phones this Fall first. No way will a Galaxy Note phone get the newest Android release before a Nexus. It's never once happened, and don't think it will now either.

The new Nexus phones will be announced in September.

 

[Surf Donkey]

I could have sworn that Android M was available for beta testing last Summer, for Nexus devices only, months before it's official release. And that didn't help the Note 5 get Marshmallow any quicker.

M beta was announced at I/O last year for developers. So around end of May. And right, Note still just got it last month.