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I'm a systems / deployment / application delivery / automation sort of geek (I dislike the term 'devops') -- I generally use safari on my macs as its way better on my battery and switching devices is great. Reading list and bookmark sync are all grand.

Problem is, the Dev tools blow. They blow massive chunks. I constantly need to look at response headers, copy random posts I do in browser/app as curl (which Firefox and chrome offer as really handy options) which I'll run in a loop in another term and see when I've fixed something or other and safari simply can't do it. Other problems are several non work related sites simply don't work in Safari (my business banking site for example, or some airlines I use -- it's incredibly frustrating to get 90% of the way through booking a flight then have to switch browsers to find your seat locked into the session associated with your other browser season isn't available so you have to wait and pray or pay more....).

So yeah, I have no alternative past light browsing but to have Firefox around (I try to avoid chrome) -- if we could change this then great, but no one seems to care.

How many front end Devs have any of you met who use safari? Answer says a lot I think.
 
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If you're clearing out Safari's caches, IIRC, that will also reset the site-specific volume settings. Why not just use the OS level settings, or if it absolutely necessary, set videos on a click-to-play basis?

Because there are no site specific settings in Safari, clearing the cache or not. I don't clear any cache ever and yet it never defaults video volume setting to anything other then full. OS level setting does not let me set the video volume apart from the volume of iTunes. I use click to play but then I have to also remember to set the volume down on every video before playing it which also doesn't always even work.
 
Chrome has almost always been my #2 Mac browser... still is. It'll stay that way, too. Safari just works too well on OS X.
 
Each browser has it's strengths and weaknesses but overall, Safari leads the pack on Mac.
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I'm glad Google is acknowledging that Chrome's power consumption on OS X is and issue and that they're at attempting to fix it. At least they didn't take the Ive approach and tell us that we're using it too much.
 
I've used Chrome for years and never had ANY problems. I don't know WTF everyone's complaining about. If Apple bought Chrome and stuck their logo on it, suddenly everyone here would love it.

BS

I just did a fresh install of Yosemite in OS X on rMBP 15" 2015, just using Chrome with a few tabs spins up the fans to max speed.

Opened the same urls in Safari, fans spin down.
 
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I just did a fresh install of Yosemite in OS X on rMBP 15" 2015, just using Chrome with a few tabs spins up the fans to max speed.

Opened the same urls in Safari, fans spin down.
BS

I have multiple Chrome tabs open on an install of Yosemite that's been upgraded through several versions of OS X and hasn't had a fresh install in 3 years on a 2012 rMBP and my fans don't spin up at all.
 
The Xmarks extension worked very well for bookmarks when I tried it in the past, but since I have Chrome/Safari on nearly all my devices, I'm currently just using the respective browser when necessary. For password syncing, use a manager such as 1Password.
And there are extensions to add favicons last I checked, but I haven't tried any myself. It looks like El Capitan's Safari should bring favicons to Safari, at least for pinned tabs.

I believe they mean "on par" in the context of the improvements they've seen so far, not necessarily what their goals are.

So I have a question which perhaps someone can answer: Chrome has an extension (or rather there's an extension for Chrome) called SpeedDial. It is a visual bookmark manager which allows you to organize and categorize your bookmarks with labels - so on my homepage I have all of the various labels/categories which I have created, ie, "work site and related sites/vendors/apps"; personal accounts/sites; research (various); tech news; general news; science; and many more. When I click on any of the labels, I see a new page showing all of the bookmarks which I have in that category - and only that category. It is fantastic, and I have not been able to find any extension or feature like it for Safari.

I like Chrome well enough, but at least on my computers, it is a RAM hog. Within a few hours of having it open (a full day), I see my available RAM drop from 18GB to 3 or 4GB. I need to use several different applications throughout the day, some of which need lots of memory to process files. The only way that I can free up RAM and keep my system speedy is to close Chrome entirely and reopen. I hate to do this, because I often have lots of windows/tabs with items in progress (and even closing all tabs prior to shut down does not free up the RAM).

Anyway - Safari does not hog resources like Chrome does - but because there are so very few developers making extensions for Safari, there is nothing like SpeedDial for Safari - and I really need this kind of bookmark manager.

I am hopeful that with Apple changing the extensions/developer process, people may be slightly more motivated to create Safari extensions? Am I wrong to hope for this?
 
But my main player now is Vivaldi. Ex-Opera team started that project, it's still in alpha, but even now it's far more powerful then any other browser. But it will take time for them to reach old Opera. I'm willing to wait, since for me and my liking, all other browsers are like kids toys compared to alpha version of Vivaldi.
Oh god oh god oh god. There's everything that made me love Opera before they moved to WebKit, I might just switch.
 
It sounds like you're simply conflating your specific needs to assume that most people need these "power features" (your words), especially if you are also relegating the other browsers as kid's toys. Unless of course, battery life is an issue. Then using a toy is perfectly suitable.

Wrong. I'm not saying Chrome/Safari/Maxthon/Opera/etc. are bad. Actually each and every one of them has it's purpose. And for 99,99% of people those are the best browsers for them, not vivaldi or old presto opera. But for a very small and limited number of people those browsers simply can't get the job done.

When I'm doing my research online, i tend to have more then 50 tabs opened. I need some way to manage those tabs, save sessions, have site specific preferences, etc. None of the above browsers simply can't do that. And for the 'kids toys' part I do apologize, I wasn't specific enough and it came out a bit harsh. That wasn't my intention at all :(
 
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Chrome still is my #1. Just the fact that I can sync all my data when I use Windows is enough for me to use it over Safari. That, and extensions. Firefox is too laggy for me, and their syncing leaves a bit to be desired.

On iOS, I use Safari, but only because it works with Chrome's handoff on the Mac and Chrome on iOS is downright terrible.
 
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Yes, I've seen that Chrome uses way more energy than Safari, especially if you compare them each while idling. It also uses more RAM. It seems about as fast as Safari, maybe slightly slower.

Unrelated to the browser's technical problems: Don't support Chrome. They're trying to make a bunch of "Chrome-only" or "works best on Chrome" websites. It's like Internet Explorer again, only the browser is actually decent.
 
I've used Chrome for years and never had ANY problems. I don't know WTF everyone's complaining about. If Apple bought Chrome and stuck their logo on it, suddenly everyone here would love it.
I'm sure everyone here has tried switching from Safari before. Ever since I got my first Mac, I've tried so many versions of Firefox, Chrome, Netscape, and the rare IE for Mac and have always gone back to Safari.

And yeah, the fact that Apple makes it matters since it makes it more compatible with all the Apple stuff, including iOS. With iCloud and Handoff, it matters more now than ever. But Chrome is better if you're forced to use Windows for something since Chrome is probably the best browser in Windows and can sync with the Mac Chrome. For that reason, I can see why people use Chrome.
 
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I made a python script that generates a html-document that displays all the pictures that it finds inside the folder it is executed in (just some doodle). It is very simple, but is quite demanding for the rendering engine of the browser (especially for >100 pictures). Safari is 100% buttery smooth (constantly 60 Hz without a single stutter), Opera has just very occasional stutters (but lower memory usage), Chrome is stuttering very noticeably and Firefox is by far the worst, using 80% CPU and somehow using up 2 GB of memory (when all other browsers managed fine with just 60-100 MB) and heavy stuttering.

I guess what I want to say is that apparently there's a lot you can do wrong with browsers and they are not the same at all. Especially Firefox is at it's worst condition since it was launched, I don't know what the hell the developers are doing here. It's extremely CPU and memory hungry and it's implementations of CSS3 and HTML5 are also the worst of all browsers (I actually had to change the code because Firefox was the only browser that couldn't handle one particular bit of CSS3). So stay away from Firefox and if you need/want an alternative to Safari, look into Opera, it's actually a great browser and overlooked for no good reason.

In my experience, Firefox is more reliable for rendering CSS stuff, like negative margins or inline-block elements.
 
As a developer(web apps) Chrome's dev tools are some what unmatched. But it is a HUUUUUGE memory hog.

This about sums it up

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As funny as that picture is, Chrome Dev uses about the same amount of RAM as Safari does on my rMPB. So let's try to be reasonable, eh?
 
This will go away when apple closes the door on all third party applications and only allows approved api as iOS already requires.
This will probably never happen on OS X. Because if it would then people would just stop using it and Microsoft will be waiting with arms wide open.
 
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Until Apple allow us grown ups to be able to select our own default browsers and email clients, it's totally irrelevant what Google or anybody else does to their software sadly.
You know its about OS X right? Because last time I checked, it was possible to set the default browser and mail app.
 
The ”Show all tabs” overview in Safari is just awesome. Always miss that when in other browsers. Haven't found any good add-ons/extensions for other browsers that handles it as well as Safari. Anyone know if there is?
 
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