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It's all true, of course. The appeals system means this case is far from over, and the industry—any industry, really—is built on what came before it. Then again, if Google didn't think patents were critical and sound, it may not have coughed up $12.5 billion for Motorola.

Who knows what these companies really think of the patent system, but they'll continue to stockpile massive arsenals of increasingly trivial patents while ever the system remains unchanged—if they don't, someone else may do it. Was this what the system was originally designed to achieve—huge companies battling it out in court, scrapping over every minute detail of the user interface? I don't think so.

But what's the solution? I don't know.

No it doesn't, Apple are using a corrupt and broken system to it's advantage over it's competitors.

Right. Some of the patents Apple has been awarded seem quite absurd… and yet, I bet they feel justified in defending them, because they know how hard they worked to design the iPhone and its software. Even when you're borrowing ideas from others, it still takes a lot of creativity and design to put them together in such a way as to create an elegant and usable product with unsurpassed attention to detail, as did Apple with the iPhone.

So you can understand Apple's desire to defend its turf. But you can also understand the frustration of others, who are now being asked to walk sideways, or backwards, or on their tippy toes, because Apple was awarded a patent for walking forward, one leg after the other. This can potentially stifle innovation, because another company might very well have a great idea called 'running', but it's a little hard to implement when you're forced to walk sideways.
 
Dont like wearing kool aide glasses ill look like a hipster!! I have tried android and it's iOS with widgets!! And laggy at that....
My whole point was that they copied Blackberry and then iOS and you agreed that they copy and then changed certain things with every fruity upgrade so therefore I am correct an you fail.

The end thank you for playing :)

Have even tried Jellybean? :confused:
 
Thanks for the ignorant comment. Nothing about iOS is boring, nor has it been the same for 5 years.

The iOS UI looks the same as it did, but Apple have been furiously changing the feature set so as to catch up to what Android has; Multitasking, pull down notifications, Facebook/twitter integration and turn by turn navigation.
 
Source, weird it was the link to Doctor Cox in Scrubs singing "Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!"

Ah, it sent me to some weird music video for what looked like a Japanese band. Damn YouTube.

Anyways, I guess you didn't notice but that video is from November 11th 2007. The iPhone was announced and showcased in January 2007.
 
No, I actually have; and like everything Google does, it's ugly and disorganized.

It absolutely explains why Android is for playing and tinkering until people get a real phone that works and looks good.

I count down the days eagerly until Google puts up the "closed for business" sign and fades off to obscurity.

I dunno about that. My new S3 is a real phone that works and looks good. In fact I think it works and looks better than my wife's new 4S with its dated looks, and dinky little sepia toned screen.
 
Really? I thought they were found not guilty in court just a couple weeks back. How can you still claim Google stole from Sun or Oracle?

...if this thread has taught me one thing, it's that anything that happens in court is indisputable.

you know what's funny? How some ppl agree with jury decisions that benefit Android, but not those that benefit apple (not talking about you)

In other words: debating on forums is pointless, yet no one can stop
 
It's only a backpedal if that was their original statement. Did they ever say that?

Anyway, I will agree with you on one thing… Google is smart. As I see it, they came out and pretty much said that, without really saying it… like a skillful politician. So yes, they support Samsung… and yes they want to see Apple's patents challenged… but right now they're happy to let Sammy fight its own legal battles thanks very much.

You get free OS & Support from Google without parting any money but you want Google to fight Samsung Patent fight (even after giving sufficient warnings)!...

There is a limit for Google's foolishness!
 
"I am notifying you of the team leader's directives from the executives' meeting yesterday," the message begins. The sixth item on the list addresses a need to "respond to the issue of design similarity for the S series," which Samsung designer Kim Jin Soo testified was a reference to the company's S series of smartphones.

"Google is demanding distinguishable design vis-à-vis the iPad," according to the e-mail. "Consider design distinguishability for the items demanded by Google while maintaining the current design, and in regards to each carrier's demands."

Ahh... You just can't fix stupid.
 
And, yet, millions will still buy it as they always have because they know that, unlike Android, the iPhone actually works for real-world situations.

Like the iPhone 4 where you had to hold it a certain way or else loose cell signal strength or perhaps the 4s with it's crappy brown stained screen?
 
you know what's funny? How some ppl agree with jury decisions that benefit Android, but not those that benefit apple (not talking about you)

In other words: debating on forums is pointless, yet no one can stop

The decision in Oracle v. Google was mostly done by the judge. He left some parts to the jury, but Judge Alsup took a lot of it on himself (copyrightability of APIs) and frankly, the proponderance of evidence was against Oracle in that case.

There are quite a few differences too as to where verdict inconsistencies and rushing through while ignoring instructions go.

You can't compare the cases.

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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/05/google-v-oracle-no-patent-infringement-found/

I, personally, live in a world where "no patent infringement found" means that no patent infringments were found.

Cheers

Anyway, the "OS" was not at issue in Oracle v. Google, it was simply the use of the Java language as the primary programming language for the platform, and the Davlik VM for executing bytecode.

Android is a Linux kernel with a custom user space. Sun/Oracle have never produced such an "OS", theirs is Solaris.
 
Fact is, Sun endorsed Google to use the Java-Syntax (Syntax only, Google wrote the code itself) in Android to increase the popularity of Java.

Actually, the former SUN CEO Jonathan Schwartz testified in Google's favour in the Google vs Oracle lawsuit.

Imho Oracle / Larry Ellison is just a parasite who broke gentlemen agreements Sun and Google negotiated years before.

Cheers
 
You can't compare the cases.

That's most probably why i didn't compare the cases. I compared peoples reactions to the final decisions. Let me know where you were confused, and I'll walk you through my post.

The decision in Oracle v. Google was mostly done by the judge. He left some parts to the jury, but Judge Alsup took a lot of it on himself (copyrightability of APIs) and frankly, the proponderance of evidence was against Oracle in that case.

There are quite a few differences too as to where verdict inconsistencies and rushing through while ignoring instructions go.

That's great. Thanks for letting me know that judge alsup is always correct and that's why people were ok with the oracle decision. Judge koh on the other hand had that crazy apple bias so her decisions are suspect. Along with the incompetent, rushed jury it's no wonder Apple won! Conspiracy theory enough for you, or should i throw in some sophisticated Russian spy network to make the screenplay more sellable? :rolleyes:
 
What we left with is a massive parasite, consuming personal data and violating the privacy of users every chance it gets.

It's only a matter of time before more users get clued into the Google scam.

What scam - they have privacy notices and tell you what they are and aren't collecting just like Apple does. If you fail to read what information Google is collecting, isn't that your issue?

Hyperbole and FUD is Hyperbole and FUD.
 
What scam - they have privacy notices and tell you what they are and aren't collecting just like Apple does. If you fail to read what information Google is collecting, isn't that your issue?

Hyperbole and FUD is Hyperbole and FUD.

True but they don't always tell you when they're collecting :p
 
Ah, it sent me to some weird music video for what looked like a Japanese band. Damn YouTube.

Anyways, I guess you didn't notice but that video is from November 11th 2007. The iPhone was announced and showcased in January 2007.

I'm trying to show that both of those prototypes existed at the same time, not just the one with the physical keyboard that everyone on here seems to think all Android phones would be like before iPhone.
 
That's most probably why i didn't compare the cases. I compared peoples reactions to the final decisions. Let me know where you were confused, and I'll walk you through my post.

Yes, because people can't have different opinions on totally different matters handled in totally different ways. :rolleyes:

And you say I play semantics games.

That's great. Thanks for letting me know that judge alsup is always correct and that's why people were ok with the oracle decision. Judge koh on the other hand had that crazy apple bias so her decisions are suspect. Along with the incompetent, rushed jury it's no wonder Apple won! Conspiracy theory enough for you, or should i throw in some sophisticated Russian spy network to make the screenplay more sellable? :rolleyes:

Let me know when Oracle files for appeal and presents arguments about it.

And no one is saying Alsup is correct vs Koh who is wrong. First, there were 2 judges in Apple v. Samsung and most of the "mistakes" that are going to be grounds for appeal were done by Grewal and his handling of discovery and evidence for the trial, not Koh.

In fact, Koh actually scored quite a few points, first by not allowing an injunction against the Tab and only granting it after an appeals court basically removed all her evidence against it. Funny how the Tab was declared non-infringing and now Apple lost their bond and Samsung is rushing to get the injunction lifted uh ? Not a lot of people commenting on the defeat of D'889 it seems...

Anyway, Koh did not take anything on herself except for judicial matters and rules of court. Alsup took a lot on himself and produced quite a few summary judgements based on his own knowledge. So that right there is a key difference. What went to jury in Oracle v. Google didn't require 700 questions or 100 pages of jury instructions, thus its hard to compare both deliberations.

The jury had much more lattitude in Oracle v. Google to take their time. 3 days in Apple v. Samsung is said to be insane by about every jurist and law reporter around, especially since the foreman admitted to ignoring instructions and the jury never asking any questions.

Also, Alsup has been following quite a few high profile patent/copyright/trademark cases relating to technology in the last decade. IBM v. SCO, Novell v. SCO being the big landmarks. He's formed quite an expertise on these matters and as such, he is well respected.

And that is why you can't compare the cases, you can't hold the same opinion of both verdicts based on just the "it's a verdict, it's final" position, because frankly, there are so many differences between both cases that you literrally need to have followed both to form an opinion which can be at polar opposites of the spectrum.

Wall of text end. Cliff notes, TL;DR, etc.. : You can't compare both cases. I am talking about the same thing as you, Jury Verdicts. Not the same circumstances.

That being said, I have now understood you're just here to stir up trouble. You have no interest in actual conversation, you want to insult and frustrate. Welcome to my ignore list.
 
Fact is, Sun endorsed Google to use the Java-Syntax (Syntax only, Google wrote the code itself) in Android to increase the popularity of Java.

Actually, the former SUN CEO Jonathan Schwartz testified in Google's favour in the Google vs Oracle lawsuit.

Imho Oracle / Larry Ellison is just a parasite who broke gentlemen agreements Sun and Google negotiated years before.

Cheers

Actually, Oracle took a very dangerous approach in Google v. Oracle. They argued the 1 thing you never want any corporation to argue for in the software world : Copyrightability of APIs. Everyone was shocked that they went there. That would have seriously hindered all software development in the world had Oracle won that argument, thank god Google's lawyers were on the ball and thank god Alsup is a technology erudite.

Oracle's argument wasn't that Google hadn't written the code, it was that the API itself could be subject to copyright. Think of it like this :

Code:
void print_hello(char * hello_string)
{
    if(hello_string)
       printf("Hello %s", hello_string);
}

That's a function and its implementation. Now it is pretty simple and frankly probably would ever write it differently, but its an example. That is what is currently covered by copyright law. The implementation. If I wanted to reproduce the functionality in my own code and provide my own library with my implementation, I need to declare the API in a header file. This is the function prototype :

Code:
void print_hello(char *);

This function prototype string is going to be the same between the original vendor and my own implementation. There's no going around it, otherwise my version of the API won't be compatible with the original. It doesn't matter if my implementation is completely different :

Code:
void print_hello(char * thestring)
{
    if(thestring != NULL)
    {
          fprintf(stdout, "Hello %s", thestring);
    }
}

The prototypes must be the same so that code linking to my library instead of the original will work. Oracle was arguing that function prototypes, the API basically, was covered under copyright. That means no one could write their own implementation of an API for compatibility.

No POSIX implementations would be possible outside of the official SYSV implementation to which Novell owns the copyrights. The Wine project on which Crossover, Transgaming, etc.. is based would be completely impossible because Microsoft owns the Win32 and DirectX copyrights and thus would own the copyrights on the APIs.

Heck, GNUStep which is trying to reimplement OPENSTEP's foundation frameworks and Cocoa for Unix and Windows system would also be impossible. Not to mention all the J2SE implementations like Harmony, IBM's, etc..

And that is why pretty much no one wanted Oracle to win. Apple owning a few rectangles with rounded corners (D'677 and D'889, the latter of which was defeated) ? Meaningless compared to the harm Oracle almost inflinged on the technology sector.
 
Yes, because people can't have different opinions on totally different matters handled in totally different ways. :rolleyes:

And you say I play semantics games.

You do play semantics games. You don't admit it though. Why can't i do what you do?

Secondly, the people who agree with the oracle case are well versed in the details? You spend hours on here talking about just how little the posters here know, but conveniently the ones who agree with you are experts?

What makes you think they're forming unbiased opinions in the oracle case, and uniformed opinions in the Samsung case?

Let me know when Oracle files for appeal and presents arguments about it.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...0-in-damages-from-google-moves-toward-appeal/

They plan to.

You probably won't see it though since I'm going on your ignore list lol

And no one is saying Alsup is correct vs Koh who is wrong. First, there were 2 judges in Apple v. Samsung and most of the "mistakes" that are going to be grounds for appeal were done by Grewal and his handling of discovery and evidence for the trial, not Koh.

In fact, Koh actually scored quite a few points, first by not allowing an injunction against the Tab and only granting it after an appeals court basically removed all her evidence against it. Funny how the Tab was declared non-infringing and now Apple lost their bond and Samsung is rushing to get the injunction lifted uh ? Not a lot of people commenting on the defeat of D'889 it seems...

What is there to comment on it? Should we take a page from your book and try to find some extenuating circumstances about why it was invalidated? Apple didn't prove infringement, the jury recognized that and D'889 was defeated. Should we sit here with delusional theories about how incompetent the jury was (the same jury you defended before the decision came in?)

Anyway, Koh did not take anything on herself except for judicial matters and rules of court. Alsup took a lot on himself and produced quite a few summary judgements based on his own knowledge. So that right there is a key difference. What went to jury in Oracle v. Google didn't require 700 questions or 100 pages of jury instructions, thus its hard to compare both deliberations.

Didn't compare their deliberations either. Whose posts are you reading, certainly not mine.

The jury had much more lattitude in Oracle v. Google to take their time. 3 days in Apple v. Samsung is said to be insane by about every jurist and law reporter around, especially since the foreman admitted to ignoring instructions and the jury never asking any questions.

Then this verdict should be overturned quicker then you can say Samsung, right? Armchair lawyering always amuses me. When you're proven wrong and still continue to argue your weak case, that disturbs me.

Also, Alsup has been following quite a few high profile patent/copyright/trademark cases relating to technology in the last decade. IBM v. SCO, Novell v. SCO being the big landmarks. He's formed quite an expertise on these matters and as such, he is well respected.

As is koh. She didn't just get thrown into a case that she knows nothing about, nor is she disrespected by her peers. If your argument now is that alsups experience makes him more respected, that's quite a weak argument indeed.

And that is why you can't compare the cases, you can't hold the same opinion of both verdicts based on just the "it's a verdict, it's final" position, because frankly, there are so many differences between both cases that you literrally need to have followed both to form an opinion which can be at polar opposites of the spectrum.

Wall of text end. Cliff notes, TL;DR, etc.. : You can't compare both cases. I am talking about the same thing as you, Jury Verdicts. Not the same circumstances.

That being said, I have now understood you're just here to stir up trouble. You have no interest in actual conversation, you want to insult and frustrate. Welcome to my ignore list.

If i had a penny for every time you put someone on your ignore list when you were wrong I'd be rich. You've been doing it for years. Heck you now probably only see posts from people who stroke your ego! Whatever makes your day, knight. Whatever makes your day....
 
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