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Hi Alan, great post, you've made some really good points.

On this bit I'm not entirely convinced though and this is my main issue with Apple and privacy.

Some estimates have put the fee they take from Google a quarter of Apples services revenue. Not so sure they would be so quick to turn that down.

I cannot see why Alphabet would pay for this going forward....everyone would still use Google as their default in any event (everyone already does)....you could understand Microsoft paying for bing to be used?
 
As an apple employee, I can assure many Apple Customers use porn sites. They come in to the Apple store asking how to remove the pop ups caused by JavaScript
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Samsung sells more than Apple, do they value privacy?

1. Not really because nobody buys Samsung for privacy.

2.not really. Samsung sells a lot of cheap phones to consumers who value price over privacy, apple does not sell any phones below $400.

3. if your talking about the $400 and up smartphone market, then no. Samsung does not sell more than apple they sell considerably less.
 
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1. Not really because nobody buys Samsung for privacy.

2.not really. Samsung sells a lot of cheap phones to consumers who value price over privacy, apple does not sell any phones below $400.

3. if your talking about the $400 and up smartphone market, then no. Samsung does not sell more than apple they sell considerably less.

1. How much the phone cost have nothing to do with privacy , it's the software that is the issue here

2. There is no 2 or three, cause 1 is a fact
 
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1. Not really because nobody buys Samsung for privacy.

2.not really. Samsung sells a lot of cheap phones to consumers who value price over privacy, apple does not sell any phones below $400.

3. if your talking about the $400 and up smartphone market, then no. Samsung does not sell more than apple they sell considerably less.

What has the price of a phone got to do with privacy? 90% of folks don’t pick a phone because of privacy, no matter what Apple claims, if it were so, then their message isn’t working because Apple are selling less and less phones. If your argument holds true, then the 90% market share of android means either folks don’t care / know / believe Apple spin / or in their mind there is no difference. If there is a difference, clearly 90% won’t pay for it
 
1. How much the phone cost have nothing to do with privacy , it's the software that is the issue here

2. There is no 2 or three, cause 1 is a fact

Yes it does. Consumers that purchase budget android devices value the price over privacy.

How Android Phones Hide Missed Security Updates From You
https://www.wired.com/story/android-phones-hide-missed-security-updates-from-you/

“We find that there’s a gap between patching claims and the actual patches installed on a device. It’s small for some devices and pretty significant for others,” said Nohl. “Sometimes these guys just change the date without installing any patches. Probably for marketing reasons, they just set the patch level to almost an arbitrary date, whatever looks best.”

Read more at MobileSyrup.com: Some Android manufacturers haven’t told the full truth about security patches


It’s is a very accurate statement to make because they purchase smartphones android updates either through the os or through security updates.


That makes 2 and 3 extremely relevant.
 
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What has the price of a phone got to do with privacy? 90% of folks don’t pick a phone because of privacy, no matter what Apple claims, if it were so, then their message isn’t working because Apple are selling less and less phones. If your argument holds true, then the 90% market share of android means either folks don’t care / know / believe Apple spin / or in their mind there is no difference. If there is a difference, clearly 90% won’t pay for it

The cheaper the phone the less likely will it will be patched either through a security update or is update.

It’s not apple spin, it was discovered by independent researchers. Link is in the post above.

Apple sells plenty of iPhones and more customer are holding on to their iPhones for longer due to hardware and regular iOS updates.

Apples active installed base has grown to 1.4 billion.
That’s not a small number. There are more iPhones on iOS 12 than there are on android pie and Oreo combined. So yes security, privacy and updates are important to apple an thier customers, more so than android.
 
I'm not sure why you think I'm jumping around. Logging into google on safari keeps you logged in. Searching in the search bar takes you to a logged in site that tracks your data.

Regardless, Google requests your location and Apple allows it. None of that is privacy forward.

You go take some time and figure that out because it's fairly straightforward. There's nothing else to discuss.

What are you talking about? I‘ve never logged into a google account to use the search engine and my searches work. I don’t have any google apps on my machines.
 
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Nonsense. If Apple didn’t accept payment the outcome would be the same. That’s the internet. You want Apple to maybe block google?
Well most users use the default search engine. I mean that's what many Apple fans here preach. They dont want to download extra apps or do any extra steps / customization. So I believe if the default search engine was duck duck go many iPhone users would continue using that. However, Apple accepted payment from Google for Google to take your data. If Apple loves to preach privacy so much they shouldnt be endorsing Google search engine by making it their default, should they?

What kind of stance / message is Apple sending?

I mean you can continue to defend Apple but the fact remains they are indirectly selling your data. Or putting it nicely, they are assisting the data seller to obtain more opportunities to sell their customer base data.

Siri default search engine is Google as well lol
 
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Huge pass? I think it absolutely genius.

They get a huge check from google, and any user can switch at any time.

That’s the key right there. Any user can switch at any time. Android is stuck with google, right there on the home screen, it’s been that way from the beginning, don’t forgot the assistances or any of googles other services.
Yep, Apple gets a huge check to sell their customer base data to Google. All in the name of Privacy.
 
The defenders will soon be here trying to explain how Apple was not at fault and that the company is really trying to put privacy priority # 1 (ha...ha...ha).
“The fault” That’s an interesting phrase. Is the threat (the person that exploits a vulnerability) the person at fault, or as you claim, the company that built the system the threat is exploiting? I know it’s easy for people that have little experience with information security, or programming, or systems integration, or technology, to jump to conclusions. So how did you arrive at Apple as the point of blame?
If you built a car and allowed someone to drive it, and they run someone over, you’d obviously be a murderer, right?
 
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Yep, Apple gets a huge check to sell their customer base data to Google. All in the name of Privacy.

Well since I’m using duck duck go apple still gets a huge check and I get to keep my privacy. See how that works.

The Huge check apple gets that’s for default search, data mining customers that’s all google.

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Sounds like working as intended. Bugs found, reported and fixed in the same month.
Not quite. The bug was in dead code that would actually crash the phone when being used and that should never have made it into the OS. And the bug existed for years. That means that certain 'community' (what community?) has been targeted for years and been hacked for years.

Or maybe that 'community' was some a community of the terrorist persuasion and the hackers were 'good guys' state actors. It's not beyond state actors to try to get programmers in places in companies like Apple and Google where they can actually influence the existence of bugs and thus introduced vulnerabilities. The list of web sites would give some of that away.

I'm really curious what 'community' has been targeted here and what websites were compromised.
 
I mean, Apple is pretty much selling users data indirectly. They accept the money from Google to make them their default search engine in safari then when apple users uses safari and google gets the data they sell it.

I mean what's the difference?

Apple is selling google their customers data, are they not?

Another false equivalency.

What Google gets is very limited. Absolutely zero identifying information about the user or device used. How can Google be getting “my” information if there’s nothing about “me” in the data?
 
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What they don't tell you is the vulnerability only affected apps made by a company named Alphabet Inc.

The sites that infected iPhones were web sites that the majority of iPhone users never visit. IE: pr0n sites.
The first I think is incorrect. It affected also Facebook, Apple and other vendor's apps as the exploit was pretty generic.

The latter is probably also incorrect as it was suggested that the exploits focused on a certain community. If that is a community of brave democratic dissidents in some dictatorial country, or it is a community of evil terrorists being targeted by 'good guys' we do not know. And that category of sites is not visited by a 'community', but by a substantial part of the entire internet population.
 
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Sorry it's hard for you to understand.

Maybe you're just in denial that Apple sold Google your user data.

I’m still waiting for you to answer my previous question.

Where in iOS does Apple ask me to sign in to a Google account in order to select Google as the default search engine?
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The latter is probably also incorrect as it was suggested that the exploits focused on a certain community. If that is a community of brave democratic dissidents in some dictatorial country, or it is a community of evil terrorists being targeted by 'good guys' we do not know. And that category of sites is not visited by a 'community', but by a substantial part of the entire internet population.

It was probably a state actor monitoring its citizens or something similar. That’s why it didn’t show up for so long because it was targeted at a specific group.
 
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Well most users use the default search engine. I mean that's what many Apple fans here preach. They dont want to download extra apps or do any extra steps / customization. So I believe if the default search engine was duck duck go many iPhone users would continue using that. However, Apple accepted payment from Google for Google to take your data. If Apple loves to preach privacy so much they shouldnt be endorsing Google search engine by making it their default, should they?

What kind of stance / message is Apple sending?

I mean you can continue to defend Apple but the fact remains they are indirectly selling your data. Or putting it nicely, they are assisting the data seller to obtain more opportunities to sell their customer base data.

Siri default search engine is Google as well lol
You’re conflating a whole bunch of things in order to attempt to substantiate some negative points against Apple. That is the issue with this post, which is nothing more than a continued criticism from you of just about everything Apple.

What users say and what they do are irrelevant. What matters is how the internet works. Or is google just some noname brand that nobody uses anyway. I don’t particularly like a whole lot of customization but lumping in picking a search engine with customization is just continued folly and disingenuous at that.
 
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Apple should retaliate and release a free privacy friendly search engine, video site, release Safari for Windows, make Apple Maps multi platform, and create a free GDocs competitor.

that will teach Google not to publicly shame Apple again
 
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