Gotta love verizon ha!!! They will never get it.
Adding programs is a desirable feature. complete changing the ui per phone line, mobile carrier or user is a different thing.
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Google Press Conference Today: Mobile "Android" Platform
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Gotta love verizon ha!!! They will never get it.
Adding programs is a desirable feature. complete changing the ui per phone line, mobile carrier or user is a different thing.
Correct. IMO Android is nothing but a Google ad delivery device married to a cheap phone platform.
Phones <$99 or less.
Gphones. Think KIA brand cars.
Phones with a sense of style and unparalleled ease of use:
iPhones, which hopefull will get down to $199 for iPhone nano byt the time android phones ship.
Apple has got it right, this android thing is good in the overall scheme of things but I'll stick with the luxury sedans while google let's their carriers and phone makers dive quickly to the bottom of mediocraty and ditch features to lower costs.
There is a market for both.
Just ask KIA motors.
Couple of things about this have me scratching my head. First off, allowing this degree of customization is going to make end user support an absolute nightmare. I can only imagine when someone brings in their phone with 4 different 3rd-party apps that use competing resources, and "Why doesn't my phone work?"
Second, giving 3rd party apps the same priority as core applications just seems like a malware coder's dream. I'd expect an absolute flood of trojan horses. Imagine legions of phone-bots that, on command, could all dial the same number and take down a call center. Or vote for Sanjaya.
I'll stick to my phone, warts and all, thank you.
Second, giving 3rd party apps the same priority as core applications just seems like a malware coder's dream. I'd expect an absolute flood of trojan horses. Imagine legions of phone-bots that, on command, could all dial the same number and take down a call center. Or vote for Sanjaya.
I'll stick to my phone, warts and all, thank you.
But its open source, so phone companies can just rip out all the code pertaining to ads. Unless Google decided to pay people to leave it in...
I'm all for competition, including for Apple, but I'm just puzzled by this.
* Google has no expertise in writing operating systems.
* Google has no expertise in marrying said operating systems to hardware (a whole other discipline almost separate from writing operating systems.)
* Google is leaving all the innovation to the other end of the phone spectrum, the hardware makers who have so far shown themselves to be just as lacking in creativity and innovation as the rest of the market.
I'm not clear on what there is to get excited about here. What, because it's Google? Or because it will be open to third party apps? Without a good OS and hardware designed to run it optimally, third-party apps are going to be meaningless.
Not to come off like an Apple fanboy, but I'm not sure what's so great about this.
* Google has no expertise in writing operating systems.
* Google has no expertise in marrying said operating systems to hardware (a whole other discipline almost separate from writing operating systems.)
* Google is leaving all the innovation to the other end of the phone spectrum, the hardware makers who have so far shown themselves to be just as lacking in creativity and innovation as the rest of the market.
I'm not clear on what there is to get excited about here. What, because it's Google? Or because it will be open to third party apps? Without a good OS and hardware designed to run it optimally, third-party apps are going to be meaningless.
Not to come off like an Apple fanboy, but I'm not sure what's so great about this.
Heh. Ad Blocker for the Android OS of sorts.
Now that is something Google would not like to see I would bet.
If Google releases a phone running this Android open platform it would give the marketplace a great choice. A lower cost open phone for younger hackers, hobbyists and smaller developers, and the iPhone, a more closed and expensive phone for the person who needs a sophisticated tool with dedicated stable apps and function for business and pleasure. Everybody wins!
Heh. Ad Blocker for the Android OS of sorts.
Now that is something Google would not like to see I would bet.
Don't see how they'd be able to stop it...
Translation, in my mind:
The alliance consists of over 30 companies who have been a disappointment when it comes to the majority of their mobile software partnerships. Notably absent are the few who have been noted for products with usable UIs, and AT&T, by proxy.
I'd imgine a way around this is to sandbox the 3rd party apps. Like Apple will do for 3rd party apps I would imagine. This technology isn't beyond the wit of man y'know. How are java programs run on your regular phone?
As for it being OSS and being able to rip the parts out. The partners will also get a cut of the ad revenue. Wht else dya think 30 large companies signed up. It isn't for just another linux distribution for a phone. There's money to be made by all partners here. Well that's how Google will have sold it to em.
Now the trick for Google is to make appealing to the end user too. It's anyone's guess if they can do that.
Sorry, Google
An open platform will attract techies and some percentage of power users, but that's all. What do consumers want, more than anything? They want ease of use -- they want to be able to get things done with a minimum of fuss. Apple gets it. Does this . . .
No. What you'll end up with is DOS redux, where every vendor will roll their own UI. In other words, exactly like it is today.
Techies love to loathe Apple, because Apple prioritizes ease-of-use above customizability. Boo. Friggin'. Hoo.
An open platform will attract techies and some percentage of power users, but that's all. What do consumers want, more than anything? They want ease of use -- they want to be able to get things done with a minimum of fuss. Apple gets it. Does this . . .
...sound like Google gets it?
No. What you'll end up with is DOS redux, where every vendor will roll their own UI. In other words, exactly like it is today.
Techies love to loathe Apple, because Apple prioritizes ease-of-use above customizability. Boo. Friggin'. Hoo.
http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/1407-1.htm
Palm weighs in....
Anyone got their quote from the day iphone launched?
They are sooooo dead in a couple of years.
Palm weighs in....
Anyone got their quote from the day iphone launched?
They are sooooo dead in a couple of years.
This is great news on several fronts-
All the other carriers should be BEGGING to take any google employee out to dinner right now to woo their way into this project. Completely open source?! Rock on Google! (yeah, thats right, I said "rock on..."!)
This is also great news for us iPhone owners... this is gonna put some pressure on good 'ol
to keep updating the phone and do a little more than focus on breaking 3rd party apps... adding more functionality, customization, and ALLOWING 3rd party apps (I dont care if they want to approve each and every app... just open it up!).
And lets face it... people want customization on everything they own. People customize their houses, customize their vehicles... why wouldnt they want to customize their phones, of all things?! Ringtones and backgrounds are a nice start... but there is still much more that people want. And what people want = that magical word in the business world... "demand".
Lets see it Apple... keep the iPhone on top...
All the other carriers should be BEGGING to take any google employee out to dinner right now to woo their way into this project. Completely open source?! Rock on Google! (yeah, thats right, I said "rock on..."!
)This is also great news for us iPhone owners... this is gonna put some pressure on good 'ol
to keep updating the phone and do a little more than focus on breaking 3rd party apps... adding more functionality, customization, and ALLOWING 3rd party apps (I dont care if they want to approve each and every app... just open it up!).And lets face it... people want customization on everything they own. People customize their houses, customize their vehicles... why wouldnt they want to customize their phones, of all things?! Ringtones and backgrounds are a nice start... but there is still much more that people want. And what people want = that magical word in the business world... "demand".
Lets see it Apple... keep the iPhone on top...
Palm have problems. PalmOS cannot do data and talk at the same time (or some other basic deficiency that I forget because it's late) hence the two pronged OS strategy with Windows at the moment. Their own linux based OS is way overdue and is rumoured to not being deliverable. Of course they'd like to see Google do the work.
Not to mention that its based on some flavor of Linux so its not really Google creating a new OS but borrowing from open source - I don't think Google could pull off a full OS like Apple has with OSX - they just don't have the expertise in this area. I think that Google is guiding everyone in the direction they would like to see mobiles go in - probably toward Google Docs, Google search, gMail etc.
I see this more as a way to push the competition out of the way (mainly Microsoft and RIM) than to monetize it through ads. Google wants the future to be open but only if its done their way.
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_overview.html
If I had a magic phone, it would turn these irrelevant kids into dust.
If I had a magic phone, it would turn these irrelevant kids into dust.
Google have very deep pockets. They'll hire this expertise in. They already bought one company and got Andy Rubin.
I still think Apple have a huge advantage here if there's to be direct competetion but I can't help thinking both companies strategies won't come head to head in the way people imagine. I see some sort of Google layer coming to iPhone.
No.... people customize their house by how the paint it, the brick or siding they choose, how they decorate it and landscape the yard. People customize their cars with paint jobs, wheels, tires, racing parts... all kinds of stuff.
Didnt think I needed to spell it out for you... I'll keep that in mind for next time I post.
People forget that people on macrumors are not really normal consumers.
Normal people just want an easy to use phone. Apple understands this to their very core.
and placing the call button 4 levels deep on tmobile phones and level 2 bottom right corner on verizon phones just ain't going to make for a great phone experience.
No. Not really. What Google has anounced is the core OS. Anyone who sells a phone based on this will need to write a user interface. and all the applications like mail and directory searching. Almost everything an end user sees is NOT in what Google announced.
What Apple does that makes them different is the user interfwce. Google's OS lacks a user interface. What I'd like to know is how it is different then just plain old Linux? Linux already runs on the ARM and is already inside some phones. What's different now?
The iPhone offers something unique to the phone market; an integrated, consistent experience with your Mac; Android offers something unique to the market too, in the form of open-source-for-the-masses development. I'm not sure there'll be too much 'competing' in view of this
I wonder what it would be like to see an Android icon on the iPhone home screen, in a future software update, though.
I wonder what it would be like to see an Android icon on the iPhone home screen, in a future software update, though.