Google Reportedly Developing Own Arm-Based Processors for Chromebooks After Being Inspired by Apple Silicon

[cmaier]

lol, both gaming market and virtualization market is a proof. How many are there supporting M1 natively? Only a few of them. Dont tell me they still need times, they had enough time to port their games. For visualization within x86, it's totally gone. The transition is flawless? Tell that to games, virtualization, and more. So far, only Apple friendly software migrated flawlessly, not others.

After all, you have no idea what you are saying. x86 is still dominating the market and yet Apple ditched it and therefore, many software won't gonna support macOS. First of all, macOS suffers lack of software compared to Windows even with x86 so what do you expect?

There’s a ton of software that runs on Mac and not windows. Including a ton of iOS software. The iOS software market is much bigger than the windows market now, too.

 

[bobcomer]

Has it though? They don’t sell much Android hardware. If it’s driving their other services, which is a possibility, strange that they still feel the need to pay Apple $15B to be the default search engine this year.

Licensing fees and advertising fees down line. They do make money...

 

[jz0309]

lol, both gaming market and virtualization market is a proof. How many are there supporting M1 natively? Only a few of them. Dont tell me they still need times, they had enough time to port their games. For visualization within x86, it's totally gone. The transition is flawless? Tell that to games, virtualization, and more. So far, only Apple friendly software migrated flawlessly, not others.

After all, you have no idea what you are saying. x86 is still dominating the market and yet Apple ditched it and therefore, many software won't gonna support macOS. First of all, macOS suffers lack of software compared to Windows even with x86 so what do you expect?

x86 is still dominant in the personal compute market, but that is changing.Also, you need to understand that Apple's target market is different from Windows users, most Mac users do not care that some SW is not available (MR nerds excluded).
And, there is NO x86 in the mobile market, period.
And the mobile market is far larger than the personal compute market ...

 

[sunny5]

There’s a ton of software that runs on Mac and not windows. Including a ton of iOS software. The iOS software market is much bigger than the windows market now, too.

Ironically, iOS developers aren't supporting macOS even now. What makes you think macOS also has iOS market? Windows 11 allows Android apps from Amazon market and they will allow side loading so many markets can join unlike macOS.

x86 is still dominant in the personal compute market, but that is changing.Also, you need to understand that Apple's target market is different from Windows users, most Mac users do not care that some SW is not available (MR nerds excluded).
And, there is NO x86 in the mobile market, period.
And the mobile market is far larger than the personal compute market ...

That's how Mac users justify the small market size. And Windows 11 supports mobile apps especially with side loading. iOS developers aren't supporting macOS well and many of them dont even support macOS even today. It proves that macOS is such a minor market.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Windows 11 supports Android mobile apps...

Soon™

Windows 11 will start shipping in a month... but Android app compatibility is curiously missing.

But yes... it's supposed to be coming. Soon.

 

[jz0309]

Ironically, iOS developers aren't supporting macOS even now. What makes you think macOS also has iOS market? Windows 11 allows Android apps from Amazon market and they will allow side loading so many markets can join unlike macOS.


That's how Mac users justify the small market size. And Windows 11 supports mobile apps especially with side loading. iOS developers aren't supporting macOS well and many of them dont even support macOS even today. It proves that macOS is such a minor market.

ok, so what? 10% or so market share today with the potential of growing to maybe 12, 13 ... it's enough for Apple, esp when from a profit perspective that ratio is different ...

 

[sunny5]

ok, so what? 10% or so market share today with the potential of growing to maybe 12, 13 ... it's enough for Apple, esp when from a profit perspective that ratio is different ...

So what? Even those software from Intel Mac aren't supported on Apple Silicon Mac instead of relying on Rosetta 2. The market share didnt change for a while. Windows is still dominating for most markets.

 

[cmaier]

Ironically, iOS developers aren't supporting macOS even now. What makes you think macOS also has iOS market? Windows 11 allows Android apps from Amazon market and they will allow side loading so many markets can join unlike macOS.


That's how Mac users justify the small market size. And Windows 11 supports mobile apps especially with side loading. iOS developers aren't supporting macOS well and many of them dont even support macOS even today. It proves that macOS is such a minor market.

Who said that macOS has iOS market? I said that iOS software can run on MacOS. Windows 11 may allow side-loading, but if they do so with apps where they didn’t get permission of the developer, then they are inducing copyright infringement.

 

[sunny5]

Who said that macOS has iOS market? I said that iOS software can run on MacOS. Windows 11 may allow side-loading, but if they do so with apps where they didn’t get permission of the developer, then they are inducing copyright infringement.

Same thing. iOS supports on macOS is already terrible since major apps dont even support macOS for optimization and financial issue. Look how terrible with Among Us. The virtual controller doesn't even work properly.

 

[jz0309]

So what? Even those software from Intel Mac aren't supported on Apple Silicon Mac instead of relying on Rosetta 2. The market share didnt change for a while. Windows is still dominating for most markets.

and Windows will continue to dominate in the x86 market, so what's your point?

 

[sunny5]

and Windows will continue to dominate in the x86 market, so what's your point?

The point is Apple is not trying to expand instead of limit their market. This isn't good at all.

 

[jz0309]

The point is Apple is not trying to expand instead of limit their market. This isn't good at all.

so why is the OP about Google designing their own ARM chips for their Chromebooks? Because the ARM market is limiting? Why is MS advertising that Windows 11 will run on ARM? (at least that is what I believe they do, I'm not following Windows developments anymore). Why is MS rumored to design their own ARM chips? Why did QCOM buy Nuvia stating that it will enhance their laptop chip product line?
x86 is on its dead bed ...
From my perspective Apple has done the right thing, but I guess we disagree on that.

 

[hashbreaker2021]

lol, both gaming market and virtualization market is a proof. How many are there supporting M1 natively? Only a few of them. Dont tell me they still need times, they had enough time to port their games. For visualization within x86, it's totally gone. The transition is flawless? Tell that to games, virtualization, and more. So far, only Apple friendly software migrated flawlessly, not others.

After all, you have no idea what you are saying. x86 is still dominating the market and yet Apple ditched it and therefore, many software won't gonna support macOS. First of all, macOS suffers lack of software compared to Windows even with x86 so what do you expect?

Proof to you, but who else?

Is there any time in the last 45 years where Apple was the market leader in video games or virtualization? No.

The Commodore Amiga, demonstrated an IBM PC emulator during their launch event in 1985, with software such as Amax II add on cards such as the Emplant board, Macs could be virtualized on Amiga hardware as well, and it didn't stop Commodore from declaring bankruptcy. Apple even licensed official clones and in the mid 1990s, some of the worst hybrid PC+Mac systems I ever had the misfortune to use existed before Apple decided it was not in their best interest to pursue that course of action.

Apple also appealed the Corellium decision, because while it is already clear that Apple can and does provide ARM based iOS simulators, they questioned the threat to their intellectual property with a third party offering such things.

I am certainly not foreign to virtualization. I was part of the long since EOLed VMTN (VMWare Technology Network) program and a VMWare customer from version 1. At Sauce Labs (home of what is probably the most robust cross browser development framework in existence, founded by one of the authors of Selenium, used by Fortune 1 among others) we ran ESXi on Mac Pros, to stay in EULA compliance with Apple's stipulations on virtualizing OS X, while still being able to offer virtualized OS X offerings to our customers. I helped kiva.org with their use of KVM, and I have used numerous iterations of Xen, bhyve, vmm, bitvisor and more hypervisors that may escape average use cases.

Nonetheless, virtualization was never why people were buying Macs as far as I could discern. In decades, to wit, I am the only individual I ever met who ran a VMWare Fusion instance with a dedicated partition to Windows so that I could boot into Windows if I ever encountered something which did not virtualize well, and I know several VMWare developers personally.

Parallels, already runs on Apple M1 Silicon today.

So, what is your contention, that Apple does not support Bootcamp on current M1 Apple Silicon today? Apple also never supported Bootcamp on Intel based XServe hardware from yesteryears. Others have already gotten Linux and OpenBSD running on Apple M1 Silicon, so if someone *wanted* to create something similar to Bootcamp, to run the nearly unused Windows ARM port, nothing is stopping them. If you recall, prior to Bootcamp being officially supported by Apple on Intel Macs, the hobbyist community got such things running with tools such as rEFIt.

In other words: I do not think that a shift in virtualization (or really, Bootcamp I guess?) is a strong argument against Apple's shift to Apple M1 Silicon. Apple's responsibility is to their users, not Windows users, not gamers.

Even Steam's Steamdeck is jettisoning Windows in favor of their own Linux distro.

Once again, we do not see eye to eye, but you've got a lot of brash perspective, with little or no evidence to back it up. Insinuating that "you have no idea what you're saying" to me, reads as if you are projecting.

 

[sunny5]

so why is the OP about Google designing their own ARM chips for their Chromebooks? Because the ARM market is limiting? Why is MS advertising that Windows 11 will run on ARM? (at least that is what I believe they do, I'm not following Windows developments anymore). Why is MS rumored to design their own ARM chips? Why did QCOM buy Nuvia stating that it will enhance their laptop chip product line?
x86 is on its dead bed ...
From my perspective Apple has done the right thing, but I guess we disagree on that.

Because Chromebook has nothing to do with Windows and it relies on cloud services. You are comparing with a wrong one.

 

[sunny5]

Proof to you, but who else?

Is there any time in the last 45 years where Apple was the market leader in video games or virtualization? No.

The Commodore Amiga, demonstrated an IBM PC emulator during their launch event in 1985, with software such as Amax II add on cards such as the Emplant board, Macs could be virtualized on Amiga hardware as well, and it didn't stop Commodore from declaring bankruptcy. Apple even licensed official clones and in the mid 1990s, some of the worst hybrid PC+Mac systems I ever had the misfortune to use existed before Apple decided it was not in their best interest to pursue that course of action.

Apple also appealed the Corellium decision, because while it is already clear that Apple can and does provide ARM based iOS simulators, they questioned the threat to their intellectual property with a third party offering such things.

I am certainly not foreign to virtualization. I was part of the long since EOLed VMTN (VMWare Technology Network) program and a VMWare customer from version 1. At Sauce Labs (home of what is probably the most robust cross browser development framework in existence, founded by one of the authors of Selenium, used by Fortune 1 among others) we ran ESXi on Mac Pros, to stay in EULA compliance with Apple's stipulations on virtualizing OS X, while still being able to offer virtualized OS X offerings to our customers. I helped kiva.org with their use of KVM, and I have used numerous iterations of Xen, bhyve, vmm, bitvisor and more hypervisors that may escape average use cases.

Nonetheless, virtualization was never why people were buying Macs as far as I could discern. In decades, to wit, I am the only individual I ever met who ran a VMWare Fusion instance with a dedicated partition to Windows so that I could boot into Windows if I ever encountered something which did not virtualize well, and I know several VMWare developers personally.

Parallels, already runs on Apple M1 Silicon today.

On Windows 10 ARM version which doesn't support well. Besides, that's only one example after all.

So, what is your contention, that Apple does not support Bootcamp on current M1 Apple Silicon today? Apple also never supported Bootcamp on Intel based XServe hardware from yesteryears. Others have already gotten Linux and OpenBSD running on Apple M1 Silicon, so if someone *wanted* to create something similar to Bootcamp, to run the nearly unused Windows ARM port, nothing is stopping them. If you recall, prior to Bootcamp being officially supported by Apple on Intel Macs, the hobbyist community got such things running with tools such as rEFIt.

In other words: I do not think that a shift in virtualization (or really, Bootcamp I guess?) is a strong argument against Apple's shift to Apple M1 Silicon. Apple's responsibility is to their users, not Windows users, not gamers.

Even Steam's Steamdeck is jettisoning Windows in favor of their own Linux distro.

Once again, we do not see eye to eye, but you've got a lot of brash perspective, with little or no evidence to back it up. Insinuating that "you have no idea what you're saying" to me, reads as if you are projecting.

Oh yeah? Keep saying that because that's how Apple users justify poor market share with poor supports. I dont accept that. Windows can do what macOS can do so what's the point?

Laugh all you can, people. I guess facts hurt you a lot.

 

[The Game 161]

Google trying is great for the tech world certainly with their phones