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And then we've got the above average Joe's who say IGNORE THE BENCHMARKS, LOOK AT THE QUAD CORE!!! Oh apple is at the top of every benchmark? Who cares, look at the quad core? Ignore the lag, just look at the quad core! Blah blah blah blah blah

Specs mean nothing if your quad core phone and tablet lags and the software is not optimized for the hardware inside it. Pissing contest.

But again...just look at that quad core!

Who says that exactly?

I agree - and stated earlier. Specs only matter as they relate to performance. Earlier you claimed that the iPhone would outperform any Samsung phone (paraphrasing a bit). Were you going to clarify what you meant by outperform? Because that's usually a benchmark comment.

Everything else is subjective based on use case...
 
This has probably been mentioned but in my skimming of 21 pages I didn't see anything mentioning this Chromecast fact:

No battery drain or processing on your mobile device!

What is intriguing about the Chromecast to me is the fact that it does, in fact, take the command from the mobile device and then streams it from the cloud or web directly. While it seems everyone understands that aspect - I'm surprised more here are not excited by the fact that it will free up your mobile device from any battery usage. With AirPlay, you are mirroring the mobile device and content is still streaming to the device. If I want to watch a Netflix movie and launch it from my phone, for example, with CC I can just forward it over to the adaptor and it completely frees up my phone. With AirPlay the movie is running on my phone for 2 hours.

Am I understanding this right?!?

Yes, but in practice this isn't always that big of a deal. With an ATV, you wouldn't generally push Netflix from the phone, since it's built into the device directly. I use Airplay daily, and the battery drain is minimal - to the point of not even being noticeable for a typical 2 hour movie, and even with pushing the Slingbox app over Airplay, the battery drain is something like 2% per hour.
 
Yes, but in practice this isn't always that big of a deal. With an ATV, you wouldn't generally push Netflix from the phone, since it's built into the device directly. I use Airplay daily, and the battery drain is minimal - to the point of not even being noticeable for a typical 2 hour movie, and even with pushing the Slingbox app over Airplay, the battery drain is something like 2% per hour.

This is true but it's still a nice feature that the device is "self sustained" :p...for thirty five dollars you can't really go wrong getting it but if you're expecting it to be revolutionary, you'll be disappointed. It's a dongle. Like the guy who said "this will change the living room as we know it"

No.
 
Yes, but in practice this isn't always that big of a deal. With an ATV, you wouldn't generally push Netflix from the phone, since it's built into the device directly. I use Airplay daily, and the battery drain is minimal - to the point of not even being noticeable for a typical 2 hour movie, and even with pushing the Slingbox app over Airplay, the battery drain is something like 2% per hour.

Good to know. I rarely use AirPlay, but I certainly wasn't trying to bash it in my initial post. I guess it makes sense that streaming content over AirPlay wouldn't drain that much battery life since your screen would most likely be off.
 
I think you are confusing 'cheap' with 'cost price', I.E. Google sell the Nexus 7 for the same price as it costs them to make it, and I can tell you right now I would make an educated guess that the iPad Mini costs the exact same or less to make, so in effect the Nexus 7 costs the same or even more then the iPad Mini.
And I'm happy everyone at your college is able to afford iPad's, no doubt education discounts helped with that.

yes. This is something I don't think a lot of people realize, which is the pricing difference.

my numbers might be "slightly off". i dont remember last earnigns call from apple. But Apple typically runs approximately a 40% profit margin on devices.

That means, on top of all costs associated with product, thats 40% profit. On a $329.00 iPad mini, that makes the estimated cost of production $235. This puts it right in line (albeit it, probably a few bucks more) than the Nexus 7.

So it is very VERY important to understand that Retail price of a product doesn't necessarily translate into a better quality product. (don't read that as me saying Apple isn't a good product).
 
yes. This is something I don't think a lot of people realize, which is the pricing difference.

my numbers might be "slightly off". i dont remember last earnigns call from apple. But Apple typically runs approximately a 40% profit margin on devices.

That means, on top of all costs associated with product, thats 40% profit. On a $329.00 iPad mini, that makes the estimated cost of production $235. This puts it right in line (albeit it, probably a few bucks more) than the Nexus 7.

So it is very VERY important to understand that Retail price of a product doesn't necessarily translate into a better quality product. (don't read that as me saying Apple isn't a good product).

Never has and never will. More $$ doesn't (necc) mean better.

And I think I read in an earlier link that the iPad mini came to about $188 per unit. So it's possible it costs less than the Nexus 7 in "parts"

But as they say - parts is parts. Some choose to use more expensive casing, others more expensive screen, etc. Which is why that ultimately - people should buy the device that they want and will use and be happy there are choices in the marketplace to do so.
 
Never has and never will. More $$ doesn't (necc) mean better.

And I think I read in an earlier link that the iPad mini came to about $188 per unit. So it's possible it costs less than the Nexus 7 in "parts"

But as they say - parts is parts. Some choose to use more expensive casing, others more expensive screen, etc. Which is why that ultimately - people should buy the device that they want and will use and be happy there are choices in the marketplace to do so.

You also have to consider that Apple has considerable leverage in their component costs as they buy huge volumes by having a relatively few number of products, meaning large volumes for each, and many of those products share components. It might cost Apple $188 to build a Mini, but it could very well cost Google $250 to build the same device in smaller quantities.
 
Never has and never will. More $$ doesn't (necc) mean better.

And I think I read in an earlier link that the iPad mini came to about $188 per unit. So it's possible it costs less than the Nexus 7 in "parts"

But as they say - parts is parts. Some choose to use more expensive casing, others more expensive screen, etc. Which is why that ultimately - people should buy the device that they want and will use and be happy there are choices in the marketplace to do so.

correct. however, its a simple mistake most people make when they say "it only costs XXX in parts to make!!!"

parts is only portion of the expense that is part of a product. there are signficant other expenses that are associated with any product in the terms' of "cost centres" that have to be attributed in the costing of any device.

For example: while the hardware costs maybe only $188 for the ipad. There are R&D costs that are associated with it to get to the point that you have parts together into a product. You have accounting overhead cause well, everyone needs an accountant! you have payrolls and rents and leases. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands of line items of purely "overhead" costs that all go towards the costs of any product on the market. These need to always be included in the "cost" of production of an item IMHO.

thats why I used the reverse way to come to the "cost". we know what the retail value is 329. We know that Apple themselves are making anywhere from 37-43% profit (Revenue - Expenses) on their devices. The variable rate there is because if apple sells direct, they make a bigger margin than if they sell through a 3rd party store (who wants their cut on top).

so using a loose accounting method to determine cost to make an ipad, its probably safe to assume that on the high side, the ipad mini is costing apple $220-$240 range (for everything i mentioned above).

if the Nexus 7 is being sold "at cost", with virtually zero profit worked into it. then the actual costs to produce it are roughly the same.

All i'm saying is that end retail price of a product is by no means a guaranteed indication on how "cheap" something is or the actual quality of said devices.

it is a mistake that MOST people in here have made constantly. especially in the N7 v iPad mini debate. we can go back in this thread alone and probably find a dozen "iPad sells for so much more cause it's a higher quality device". that statement is inherently wrong. While it might be a "higher quality device" (which i'm not claiming, just not takign a stance on). the end user price is not a factor in actually determining that.

Apple sells the iPad mini for 329 so they can put $90 in their pockets off the sale. That's the reason for the price difference. Now, whether or not people believe it is worth doing so to get an iPad mini is also a completely different argument entirely. is the "ecosystem" worth paying an extra $90 to buy into? is the goodwill of the company convincing enough that you are willing to give apple that profit? these are all completely personal decisions. Everyone will have their own reasons for their choices. Maybe budgetary, maybe social, maybe even "sheepish". But they are entitled to that
 
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irony is you don't need to airplay at all with youtube...
The interface of the YouTube app on the Apple TV is years behind that of the iPhone or the YouTube site. Search is painfully slow and inconsistent with the results I get on iOS or on the website. Additionally, Apple TV doesn't support Japanese input, doesn't share watch history nor sync with your other devices.
 
correct. however, its a simple mistake most people make when they say "it only costs XXX in parts to make!!!"

parts is only portion of the expense that is part of a product. there are signficant other expenses that are associated with any product in the terms' of "cost centres" that have to be attributed in the costing of any device.

For example: while the hardware costs maybe only $188 for the ipad. There are R&D costs that are associated with it to get to the point that you have parts together into a product. You have accounting overhead cause well, everyone needs an accountant! you have payrolls and rents and leases. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands of line items of purely "overhead" costs that all go towards the costs of any product on the market. These need to always be included in the "cost" of production of an item IMHO.

thats why I used the reverse way to come to the "cost". we know what the retail value is 329. We know that Apple themselves are making anywhere from 37-43% profit (Revenue - Expenses) on their devices. The variable rate there is because if apple sells direct, they make a bigger margin than if they sell through a 3rd party store (who wants their cut on top).

so using a loose accounting method to determine cost to make an ipad, its probably safe to assume that on the high side, the ipad mini is costing apple $220-$240 range (for everything i mentioned above).

if the Nexus 7 is being sold "at cost", with virtually zero profit worked into it. then the actual costs to produce it are roughly the same.

All i'm saying is that end retail price of a product is by no means a guaranteed indication on how "cheap" something is or the actual quality of said devices.

it is a mistake that MOST people in here have made constantly. especially in the N7 v iPad mini debate. we can go back in this thread alone and probably find a dozen "iPad sells for so much more cause it's a higher quality device". that statement is inherently wrong. While it might be a "higher quality device" (which i'm not claiming, just not takign a stance on). the end user price is not a factor in actually determining that.

Don't disagree at all. When I spoke of costs I was being simplistic. Naturally there are all the costs you mention (and also marketing and advertising costs) - etc
 
I could test youtube sometime later I guess, I don't really use youtube much. If it does stop it's more to do with the app you are using not having support for playback while locked than the AirPlay not working while locked.
Maybe the YouTube app sucks on iOS. The fact is that Chromecast seems to offer a completely seamless experience for playing video and keeping everything synced across multiple devices.
 
MBA13";17630626 said:
I'll take iPad mini any day than this garbage iPad mini-wannabe tablet

you know. this amuses me. because despite my outline of the costs and quality differences I just probably wasted my energy typing. People say stuff like this without putting much brain power behind it.

The simple fact that the N7 actually came out before the iPad mini negates that it is a "wannabe". (again not saying anyone is copying anyone). but you can't really be a "wannabe" if you were first there. Especially when ....

you know what... I give up. Ignorance is not a battle I feel like fighting against today. I haven't had enough coffee
 
you know. this amuses me. because despite my outline of the costs and quality differences I just probably wasted my energy typing. People say stuff like this without putting much brain power behind it.

The simple fact that the N7 actually came out before the iPad mini negates that it is a "wannabe". (again not saying anyone is copying anyone). but you can't really be a "wannabe" if you were first there. Especially when ....

you know what... I give up. Ignorance is not a battle I feel like fighting against today. I haven't had enough coffee

He's actually pretty correct.

I had a Nexus for about four months and it just recently finally got rid of it for the iPad Mini. For heavens sake, there's not even a COMPARISON. iPad just blows it away in every shape and form while iOS just is SO MUCH more of a polished operating system.

I love how you can't even hook a Nexus up to your computer to, you know, put your music on it.... or keep a set of songs or playlists synced to it. You'd think they'd, at least, get that straight.
 
No, he isn't



It is strange, I have been doing that for years



It is strange, I have been doing that for years

Now you're either lying or trolling because I fail to see how you could do this when you plug in your Nexus to your Mac and absolutely nothing happens.

Nothing in iTunes.
Nothing.
 
Now you're either lying or trolling because I fail to see how you could do this when you plug in your Nexus to your Mac and absolutely nothing happens.

Nothing in iTunes.
Nothing.

any Android device can be seen by Mac's. They do require software to be installed first and is not Natively out fo the box supported by Apple computers.

However. it has been available for years and fully compatible. I have an Android device that I sync and connect via USB to my Macbook Air on a constant basis to transfer images and music.

I also do have a Win8 PC which does the exact same, but does so natively without the need for any additional software to download.

And yes. you can't natively use iTunes with Android devices since well, iTunes is an apple product and android is not. as far as I know, there are no non apple products that work out of the box with itunes for syncing. THere are apps and 3rd party addons for many devices that will enable such feature. BUt going out and buying any non apple PMP player than saying it's "****" because it doesn't use iTunes is a personal preference and not a failure of the devices themselves, since Apple is the one who does attempt to limit what devices do work with its' software (and not the other way around)

However, your failure to read instruction and then plead ignorance is not an excuse for being fundamentally wrong in your statements
 
producing free services on non-apple hardware gets them nothing. (iTunes doesn't earn apple nearly as much as hardware margin)

Apple is in the advertisement business as well. iAds are a trademark of Apple. If Apple open up a little bit more and let us access and use services on aother hardware with the same iAds it will be fine with me. but I hate if I don't have my laptop or iPhone with me and a PC (old one) is available no matter what I do I can't access my Apple services on it. On the other hand everything I have on an Android Phone I can access it on a any PC, MAC, CHROMEBOOK OR UBUNTU Machine if I enter my name and password.
 
16:10, 16:9 Big difference: NOT :D

Actually, it is. 16:10 is more squarish than 16:19, and fits pretty comfortably between it and the iPad's 4:3 screen.

Here's an example I whipped up real fast.

Ratios.jpg


This is assuming both devices are the same height when put on their sides. The one on the top is the iPad, the one on the bottom is a 16:10 screen. You can see that it does give you a little more screen space, but doesn't make it as lanky as a 16:9.

edit: I did this only because I wanted to make everyone go glare blind from look at that picture.
 
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