Google to Launch Webkit Based Web Browser Called 'Chrome'

[clevin]

except when I do that I get unresponsive script at "date-format-tofte" so I had to actually disable it to complete the test.

there is no question tracemonkey is buggy and in bug fix process as of now, and the problem sometime won't even repeat itself.
Update, there said to be a bug that has been fixed, try run sunspider again with today's build.

but I do know tracemonkey is going into firefox 3.1.

Here are some result provided by developer, run against sunspider

when you look at V8's sunspider, it obviously runs super fast on some items, and ridiculously slow on others, I think google did massive targetted optimization, Im not even sure if those optimization can be easily transfered onto linux or osx, thats why I think osx or linux version won't be out at least for another 3 month.

Mozilla said the ones that TM is behind are under work already and they have a plan that can do even better than V8, I guess we just have to wait and see.

 

[Evangelion]

I'm posting this with Chrome. And I'm very, very impressed. This is one fine browser! And on Windows, you get the benefit that if you use the browser in full-screen mode, the tab-bar acts like menubar on OS X. It's right at the top of the screen, so reaching the tabs is very easy.

Excellent work Google! I can see Chrome becoming a major player in the browser-market!

 

[wheelhot]

That's the problem isn't it? Google did not state what information is sent and the way how it is written (I'm no lawyer) it seems like Google has the absolute rights to take any information from you and you have no say whatsoever.

We need to wait till SquirrelFish(I think that what WebKit upcoming JS rendering engine called), TraceMonkey released to compare with the V8.
So far I heard that SquirrelFish is faster then TraceMonkey.

 

[edesignuk]

That's the problem isn't it? Google did not state what information is sent and the way how it is written (I'm no lawyer) it seems like Google has the absolute rights to take any information from you and you have no say whatsoever.

http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/privacy.html

 

[Evangelion]

That's the problem isn't it? Google did not state what information is sent and the way how it is written (I'm no lawyer) it seems like Google has the absolute rights to take any information from you and you have no say whatsoever.

We need to wait till SquirrelFish(I think that what WebKit upcoming JS rendering engine called), TraceMonkey released to compare with the V8.
So far I heard that SquirrelFish is faster then TraceMonkey.

The problem seems to be that you actually think that unreasonable EULA's are enforceable....

 

[clevin]

So far I heard that SquirrelFish is faster then TraceMonkey.

no its not. its actually 1.2x slower than tracemonkey, as of now.

 

[wheelhot]

The problem seems to be that you actually think that unreasonable EULA's are enforceable....

Huh? Sorry but I don't know American laws.

no its not. its actually 1.2x slower than tracemonkey, as of now.

wut, since when tracemonkey become faster? did they update it or something after seeing that squirrelfish is faster then tracemonkey?

Aah okay, guess the privacy thing is settled then

 

[clevin]

Huh? Sorry but I don't know American laws.


wut, since when tracemonkey become faster? did they update it or something after seeing that squirrelfish is faster then tracemonkey?

i think you might be confused about spidermonkey and tracemonkey, spidermonkey is the one inside firefox 3, which is 1.5x slower than recent webkit nightly (presumably has squirrelfish inside). Tracemonkey is the one inside firefox 3.1 nightly build, and pref-ed off, its almost double the performance of spidermonkey, its still buggy as of now.

here is Tracemonkey I got compare to Chrome (pic attached)

i realize there are too many monkeys here tho...

i think all these just got to show people, javascript isn't nearly as important as some people make it to be. Chrome uses an old webkit engine, a fast, but not unbelievably fast javascript engine, still made the app itself extremely impressive in speed and operations.

js is important, yes, no question about that, but who can realistically tell the 0.2ms difference? there are more to an app's speed than js.

 

[slicecom]

And I can't seem to understand the constant wave of negativity towards anything "not 100% Apple" that I've been seeing here lately. I know this is primarily a Mac users forum but we (for the most part) are adults who should at least try something before saying it's horrible and think for ourselves. In fact, that's one of the main reasons why a lot of people are still stuck in Windows-land, they automatically refuse to use anything different. Where's the "think different" motto around here lately?

I agree. The reason I think it's gotten worse lately is the influx of Windows users buying iPhones and posting in this forum are getting on the long time Mac members' nerves.

 

[wheelhot]

i think you might be confused about spidermonkey and tracemonkey, spidermonkey is the one inside firefox 3, which is 1.5x slower than recent webkit nightly (presumably has squirrelfish inside). Tracemonkey is the one inside firefox 3.1 nightly build, and pref-ed off, its almost double the performance of spidermonkey, its still buggy as of now.

Aah, okay I was confused, thanks. Yea, too many monkeys!!!. Run! monkeys are coming to attack us!!!!

 

[Zargot]

Forgive if already posted, but no time to read the entire thread...

Troubling EULA point:

"By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any content which you submit, post or display on or through, the services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the services and may be revoked for certain services as defined in the additional terms of those services."

Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10030522-56.html

 

[clevin]

Troubling EULA point:
Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10030522-56.html

im really not smart enough to understand those, some professionals care to explain the real world impact of these?

PS. Chrome's spell checking isn't good enough, half of the situations it suggests nothing!

PS2. isn't very mice friendly, I miss mice gestures already.

PS3. for some unknown reason, its getting slower with more usage. seems sometimes have trouble connecting to the server. I think google's multi-threading isn't stable yet. but I would expect it to be fixed some time in the near future.

 

[wheelhot]

"By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any content which you submit, post or display on or through, the services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the services and may be revoked for certain services as defined in the additional terms of those services."

Yea, this what bugs me, but according to their privacy page, it is different.

 

[clevin]

no drag and drop in text editor? -1

copy and paste aren't my fav commands.

no drag and drop across tab neither, no drag text to tabbar neither

only links and images can be dragged

PS. CPU runs too high with Chrome, I never see my Fan runs this much. So its system resource in exchange for performance? Im fine with it to a certain degree tho.

 

[baaron]

The biggest weakness chrome has is that there are very few plug-ins that will work with the browser at the moment.

And you forget how important those plugins are until they dont work!

However, their V8 engine is blazing fast for javascript apps.

 

[FetalSage]

i think all these just got to show people, javascript isn't nearly as important as some people make it to be. Chrome uses an old webkit engine, a fast, but not unbelievably fast javascript engine, still made the app itself extremely impressive in speed and operations.

js is important, yes, no question about that, but who can realistically tell the 0.2ms difference? there are more to an app's speed than js.

I see your results, and raise you these..latest Safari 4 preview build.

 

[Clayne]

It started out fast. Now it's going slowwww.

 

[clevin]

I see your results, and raise you these..latest Safari 4 preview build.

lol, you do realize this test is 99.9% decided by your CPU speed and RAM?

Only comparison on same machine has relative meanings, absolute numbers are absolutely meaningless.

PS, as you can see, I do have a slow machine with ATOM cpu....

ps2, i will post a SquirrelFish v Tracemonkey later with my mac mini, just for your viewing pleasure.

 

[headfuzz]

And I can't seem to understand the constant wave of negativity towards anything "not 100% Apple" that I've been seeing here lately. I know this is primarily a Mac users forum but we (for the most part) are adults who should at least try something before saying it's horrible and think for ourselves. In fact, that's one of the main reasons why a lot of people are still stuck in Windows-land, they automatically refuse to use anything different. Where's the "think different" motto around here lately?

...and we have a winner!

FFS people. It's a new browser, it's very fast and has some very clever stuff going on under the bonnet (hood, for those of you across the pond ).

There is no obligation to use it whatsoever, but before you start bashing it without having used it at least read the comic through and understand why it's A Good Thing ®.

There's a paradigm shift here which will almost undoubtedly become the de facto standard in every other browser within a couple of major revisions.

Too many people are posting negative comments based on pure conjecture.

*Feigns surprise*

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

lol, you do realize this test is 99.9% decided by your CPU speed and RAM?

Only comparison on same machine has relative meanings, absolute numbers are absolutely meaningless.

PS, as you can see, I do have a slow machine with ATOM cpu....

ps2, i will post a SquirrelFish v Tracemonkey later with my mac mini, just for your viewing pleasure.

ummm clevin, wasn't it you who first posted comparison numbers on squirrelFish vs Tracemonkey (or was it spidermonkey?) and now you're saying those numbers are meaningless?

 

[clevin]

ummm clevin, wasn't it you who first posted comparison numbers on squirrelFish vs Tracemonkey (or was it spidermonkey?) and now you're saying those numbers are meaningless?

oh, i guess i didn't make my expression clear then

single absolute number from the test is meaningless.

But paired numbers from different browsers at SAME machine is meaningful.

let me know if you are still confused.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

oh, i guess i didn't make my expression clear then

single absolute number from the test is meaningless.

But paired numbers from different browsers at SAME machine is meaningful.

let me know if you are still confused.

I get that, but here I'll say something that I've said many times on this site before: My Stats teacher would kick you in the face. You really think that ONE machines numbers have any meaning? Let's put that to a P test, shall we? Z? fail... and uhhh fail. Look at that!

 

[Trajectory]

It looks nice. Doesn't render everything properly. Needs more work.

 

[clevin]

I get that, but here I'll say something that I've said many times on this site before: My Stats teacher would kick you in the face. You really think that ONE machines numbers have any meaning? Let's put that to a P test, shall we? Z? fail... and uhhh fail. Look at that!

well, i guess you have the right to not trust my numbers, thats fine, but its really easy to prove me wrong anyway. You don trust my result on my machine? do it yourself! its not something so difficult that you can't try out anyway!

PS. as promised, for your viewing pleasure here is webkit 30653 (today) and tracemonkey/firefox 3.1 20080903051823 (today).

The race is so tight, I can't wait for safari 4 and firefox 3.1!

(still, do keep in mind as I mentioned before, js speed, as it is, doesn't deserve the hype its getting nowadays)

 

[MisterK]

Extremely impressed

I've used Google Chrome on my work PC and am extremely impressed. I wasn't expecting to like it so much... and so quickly. I'm looking forward to it coming to my MBP. I am interested to see how well it translates into the Mac universe.

I'm not a very fiddly person, when it comes to my browser and the Firefox Plugins don't really interest me. Close friends are web developers and there are a lot of great tools for them on Firefox, and my fiancée loves StumbleUpon. I'm not big on RSS. I use the web browser for web browsing. I generally use Safari for it's simplicity, but Chrome may have it beat. There's only one bar. If you enter a web address, then fine. If you enter something else, it recognizes it as a search term and takes you to Google search results. The browsing is the fastest I've experienced on any machine. I like the tabs on the top. It seems like a small thing, but it definitely helps me make the mental leap to trusting and treating web apps as desktop ones.

I listen to MacBreak weekly and Merlin Mann needs to stop being such a jerk when it comes to this stuff... I love Apple too, but surely there's nothing wrong with more choice with the browser. Especially when it's based on Webkit and open standards. He says he likes Firefox, and good for him. But I thought search wasn't broken before Google came along too. They certainly fixed that misconception.