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Google to Take on Apple with Open AirPlay Alternative

GorgonPhone said:
uh oh here comes google copying apple again and here come more law suits ..lol
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What are they "copying" now? And when did they ever copy something?

And please don't say iOS. :rolleyes:

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Renzatic said:
Probably something someone said around here. I dunno.

But you have to admit it's stupid the Mini gets all the latest and greatest iOS features, while the iPad 2 and iPhone 4 are left behind. There's no hardware restrictions behind the exclusion. The Mini proves as much.
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Everyone knows it was a business decision - there was no easily understood reason to buy iPhone 4 other than Siri, because the phone was "just" faster.
 
Hey, if google can make a box that basically is easier to use then.......who am I kidding, I will stick with my apple TV lol:p

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Sandstorm said:
I saw it with my own eyes. iPhone 4 and Apple TV 3. My friend could play only sound and there was a message displayed on his iPhone about not being able to show video. I think he tried to show something from YouTube. Maybe you can play iTunes store video content?
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I'm currently watching a free video on my apple tv streamed off my iphone 4(coldplays's Fix you). No problem here.:confused:

UPDATE, just tried the youtube app, and he's right, music only.:(

Catchup TV works fine though.(Freeview tv streaming)
 
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KnightWRX said:
Yeah, iMessage is really going to hurt SMS, especially since Apple's market share of the entire cellphone market is right up there in the triple digits. :rolleyes:

I have basically 3 people around me that I can iMessage. Others are using Android/WinMo/Dumb phones or don't have data plans on their iPhones.



I don't give a damn about Apple making/losing money. I'm not a shareholder. I'd every much like for the products I buy from Apple to be able to interoperate with devices from other vendors though.

Thank goodness, like I said, Apple still does implement open standards in a wide breadth of areas. It's just a few key areas they seem to lock theirs products to.
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Apple does not need 100% market share for iMessage to be effective in reducing text usage. For most people, the distrubution of texts they send to their contacts is not evenly spread out. It is very weighted towards the top few.
Take a look at your text usage. I suspect for you, 90% of your messages are to your mom, so if you get your mom on an iPhone, you will save a bunch on texting. :p
 
landroverz7 said:
Google first update your youtube app and make it a universal app with support for iPhone 5 widescreen and ipad retina screens also fix the airplay and add background audio. After that you can think about your google devices.
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Really so google needs to work on the competition device first and then on google devices. If you dont have a youtube app on your so weird resolution iphone5 is apple's fault not googles. Get a real smartphone and you will see youtube on HD
 
Sandstorm said:
The worst part - even within Apple own ecosystem there are ridiculous restrictions and a bit older devices are intentionally being crippled. For example - I was unpleasantly surprised, that my friend with iPhone 4 could not play video to my Apple TV 3. Only audio, because video streaming "is not supported on this device". PATHETIC! I don't believe for a second, that iPhone 4 is not technically capable of sending a youtube video to Apple TV. This is simply an artificial restriction of older device. (
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This is not true in my experience.

I own both an iPhone 4 (not 4s), and an iPad 3. I can stream audio and video from both to my Apple TV. I can only stream audio from both devices to my Denon receiver. I just launched Safari on my iPhone 4, went to YouTube, and clicked on the first video that popped up. I then tapped the AirPlay icon and the video popped up on my Sony LCD via the Apple TV.

I use AirPlay to stream audio and video on almost a daily basis from my iOS devices to either my Denon AirPlay (audio only) receiver, or my Apple TV (audio and video capable.)

AirPlay is indispensable for me on an almost daily basis. When I upgraded to an AirPlay capable receiver and purchased my Apple TV I had no idea how useful AirPlay would be.

Any video or audio that I can view on my iOS devices will stream flawlessly to either my receiver or my Apple TV. I would be lost without it.
 
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Why is it that everytime Apple does something, Google goes "That. We should do that."

I mean competition is a good thing, sure, but when the competition is just adding onto what was thought up by others, it doesn't seem very fair.
 
Renzatic said:
Probably something someone said around here. I dunno.

But you have to admit it's stupid the Mini gets all the latest and greatest iOS features, while the iPad 2 and iPhone 4 are left behind. There's no hardware restrictions behind the exclusion. The Mini proves as much.
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Excuse me? The inclusion of specific microphones and audio decoders has nothing to do with the inclusions of these features?
 
tylernol said:
Apple does not need 100% market share for iMessage to be effective in reducing text usage. For most people, the distrubution of texts they send to their contacts is not evenly spread out. It is very weighted towards the top few.
Take a look at your text usage. I suspect for you, 90% of your messages are to your mom, so if you get your mom on an iPhone, you will save a bunch on texting. :p
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I don't text message (no plan whatsoever, don't really know anybody with iPhones that I'd want to text) and my mom doesn't even have a cellphone.

But please, don't let that get in the way of again : insults.
 
dkushner said:
This is not true in my experience.

I own both an iPhone 4 (not 4s), and an iPad 3. I can stream audio and video from both to my Apple TV. I can only stream audio from both devices to my Denon receiver. I just launched Safari on my iPhone 4, went to YouTube, and clicked on the first video that popped up. I then tapped the AirPlay icon and the video popped up on my Sony LCD via the Apple TV.
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Just for your information, as stated in my last comment that it was the app at fault that wasn't allowing airplay video, not the phone.:D
 
Rettun1 said:
Why is it that everytime Apple does something, Google goes "That. We should do that."

I mean competition is a good thing, sure, but when the competition is just adding onto what was thought up by others, it doesn't seem very fair.
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The same way how google had the notification center in android and apple then had to put them in iOS.
 
This is a good thing!

Apple needs competition or else there products become closed and used in only the "apple approved way"

I have an apple TV and while airplay is a good step, other companies are making better apps.

AirParrot and Beamer are two apps that take airplay further, personally, I use beamer. But it is funny how Beamer is not allowed in the app store (which is complete crap)

Hopefully Google openness rubs off apple
 
dkushner said:
This is not true in my experience.

I own both an iPhone 4 (not 4s), and an iPad 3. I can stream audio and video from both to my Apple TV. I can only stream audio from both devices to my Denon receiver. I just launched Safari on my iPhone 4, went to YouTube, and clicked on the first video that popped up. I then tapped the AirPlay icon and the video popped up on my Sony LCD via the Apple TV.

I use AirPlay to stream audio and video on almost a daily basis from my iOS devices to either my Denon AirPlay (audio only) receiver, or my Apple TV (audio and video capable.)

AirPlay is indispensable for me on an almost daily basis. When I upgraded to an AirPlay capable receiver and purchased my Apple TV I had no idea how useful AirPlay would be.

Any video or audio that I can view on my iOS devices will stream flawlessly to either my receiver or my Apple TV. I would be lost without it.
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OK, so I guess it was only the YouTube app that didn't play video from iPhone 4 to ATV3. Sorry for that confusion.


NT1440 said:
Excuse me? The inclusion of specific microphones and audio decoders has nothing to do with the inclusions of these features?
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So how come Google Voice works really great? :rolleyes:
 
Sandstorm said:
So how come Google Voice works really great? :rolleyes:
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Because they are two different products with two completely different code/hardware implementations.

But I assume you're coming from the "well, both listen to your voice and do stuff, so they're the same" perspective right?

It's like saying an OLED screen and an IPS screen are the same because you both see stuff on them, nevermind the completely different technologies behind them.
 
what apple needs to do:

come out with their own youtube app.
fix their maps ASAP!
provide app updates to apple tv and their apps.


what google needs to do:

chill out with the ads and sharing/check this out areas.
provide a decent ipad youtube app.
provide proper airplay with youtube.
 
Oletros said:
Apple has nothing like what Google has developed here. The GigaOM report is very misleading, it has nothing to do with AirPlay
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You keep going on about this, so please explain it further.

Earlier you said something to the effect of 'miracast can extend content from a tv to a device' and implied that AirPlay can't do that.

To some extent, I suppose that's true, although recently Airplay has been extended such that an AppleTV can send its audio to other Airplay devices on the network, and there have long been third party applications to receive Airplay audio content on iOS or other devices. It's only a small intuitive leap to suppose that AirPlay could be extended to support bi-directional video. I, like many others, don't quite see the useful application for this yet, but I'd be interested in hearing about potential usages.

Anything else?
 
zhenya said:
You keep going on about this, so please explain it further.
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http://youtube.com/yt/sendtotv/

Send to TV for youtube doesn't not stream or mirror nothing, it uses Youtube on your device as a remote control for youtube on your Google TV os Smart TV. It has nothing to do with Airplay


zhenya said:
Earlier you said something to the effect of 'miracast can extend content from a tv to a device' and implied that AirPlay can't do that.
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No, I have said that Miracast is what can be compared with AirPlay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6F_wyyZg5sI#!
 
NT1440 said:
Because they are two different products with two completely different code/hardware implementations.

But I assume you're coming from the "well, both listen to your voice and do stuff, so they're the same" perspective right?
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Well, since the iOS device doesn't actually do any local processing for Siri, one would assume that that perspective isn't entirely wrong to begin now uh ? ;)
 
Lol

landroverz7 said:
Google first update your youtube app and make it a universal app with support for iPhone 5 widescreen and ipad retina screens also fix the airplay and add background audio. After that you can think about your google devices.
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Dude, Google never provided your YouTube App. Apple took it away from you because they no longer wanted you to use APPLE'S YOUTUBE APP because they have a vendetta against Google. Just like your maps.

I am migrating from all of my Apple gear. First was my phone in July. Next will be my iPad 3. Next will be my Mac. Apple's cloud services suck. Their software is all about lock in and soon the Mac will be as bad as iOS.

I am glad that companies are developing similar alternatives to Air Play. They will not be designed to only work on one company's hardware and therefore they will not be designed to ensure that I only buy hardware from one company.
 
KnightWRX said:
Well, since the iOS device doesn't actually do any local processing for Siri, one would assume that that perspective isn't entirely wrong to begin now uh ? ;)
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The detection is done right on the phone using the mic array, the processing is handled partly on the device but mostly on the server side if it goes to a web query.

There is local processing for siri for detection in certain cases, is just offloads to the cloud when the content it needs is not on the device. Apple has been very careful with their use cases to determine which is needed when.
 
NT1440 said:
The detection is done right on the phone using the mic array, the processing is handled partly on the device but mostly on the server side if it goes to a web query.

There is local processing for siri for detection in certain cases, is just offloads to the cloud when the content it needs is not on the device. Apple has been very careful with their use cases to determine which is needed when.
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Sorry, it always offloads to the cloud, even if you're asking to do a local function. You can't set a reminder on the phone without a data connection.

There is no "local detection", unless you have a reliable source stating otherwise. Everything you say to Siri is sent right to Apple.
 
Oletros said:
http://youtube.com/yt/sendtotv/

Send to TV for youtube doesn't not stream or mirror nothing, it uses Youtube on your device as a remote control for youtube on your Google TV os Smart TV. It has nothing to do with Airplay




No, I have said that Miracast is what can be compared with AirPlay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6F_wyyZg5sI#!
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Your first link does not work, and I can't find anything definitive from a google search. In any case, Airplay itself is, for all intents and purposes, the remote. That's what was so groundbreaking at the time. Forget about using a stupid 'remote' app to control what's on the tv. There are tons of those and they all basically suck in their own way. Airplay instead allows you to do all of the interaction on the device, and when you are ready to start watching the content on the larger screen, then and only then do you enable Airplay. All the control is handled on the device, and once it is playing you can continue to control it via the device, or in the case of the ATV the apple remote itself.

Like I said before, whether miracast catches on depends completely on how well it is implemented. If it's buggy and troublesome, then forget it.
 
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