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Never liked google cal, have always come back to Ical, depsite trying various solutions,
And that makes Apple the bad guy here. Google gives almost everything for iOS and gets none in return.
I switched to Android recently and actually enjoy its freedom and flexibility. But of course I miss some of great features on iPhone.
I want some of Apple apps on the android, maybe Apple Remote, and iOS music player too in order to get a better support for AirPlay. Oh and also I miss the FaceTime and iMessage services. If somehow miracle happens, I would like to see those apps on Android.
LOLWUT?
Google makes iOS apps because it enhances their ad platform which is their only significant revenue stream.
Apple doesn't make Android apps because it would provide exactly zero benefit to their bottom line.
Google sells ads. Apples sells mobile devices and computers. Completely different revenue models. It's really as simple as that.
Uh huh sure Google sell ads, unless you want to pay annually for Youtube subscription, Google Maps subscription, Hangout subscription, Google Now subscription then yeah maybe Google wouldn't need to sell ads.
I'm not saying Google is the saint, but hey at least they give something for us to use. Please don't pretend that you don't enjoy Google Maps better than Apple Maps? Please don't pretend you don't need Youtube? Or even more, you never ever, ever use Google search in your whole lifetime?
Are you sure about that? Let's put it like this, if Apple makes iTunes app for Android, then maybe, just maybe Apple can sell millions and millions more of musics, movies, books, podcasts, or iTunes Match subscriptions to fellow Android users.
See? Good business.
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No one is saying there is anything wrong with selling ads for the services. I think we all understand that someone has to pay for everything. I personally would have preferred if the shareware/freeware vs. payer model had continued on the computer. Unfortunately that only worked when we were dealing with computer enthusiasts, not the public at large. Enthusiasts could make a decision to support software based on the perceived value - this is how houses like iD, Epic, Ambrosia, et al became huge enterprises - but the general public was already conditioned by the broadcast vs cable model.
There is no pretending here - I do "enjoy" Apple Maps more than Google Maps. I have used AM since it was released, and found very little wrong with it. To date, I have only found one road that was in error, a little country road near my home that had been recently moved a few feet. Apple Maps showed both iterations of the road at once. Google Maps, however, was also wrong. I think it was even more wrong than Apple Maps.
I've also noticed that the controls to manipulate Google Maps no longer work the way they used to. Since I'm not using it at the minute I can't really explain it. If I feel like getting aggravated later I'll fire it up and try to summarize it. Maybe the Google Maps app works better than their mobile site, but I'll never know because I'm not going to install any of their apps and give them more access to my life than they already do with search terms.
I won't pretend I DO need Youtube. Its a fun little service, but all it has done as far as I'm concerned is given website owners a decent way to post videos without having to host the content themselves and therefore avoid paying for data handling charges, while also giving every drooling idiot a place to type random characters and cuss words in lieu of actual sentences. Note that Youtube has changed very little from when Google purchased them many years ago, so its not like theres any "innovation" going on there. The interface is dated and their much vaunted search algorithms don't always provide a well-targeted list of videos in response to searches. If someone came up with a better system, I would use it in a flash. Unfortunately, Google outlasted everyone else from the early hosting days.
Likewise for Google Search.
Maybe it'll happen. Maybe not. Apple may take a look at how Android is now shrinking instead of growing and decide its not worth the effort to bring support to a competing platform when they could just watch it die.
Maybe it'll happen. Maybe not. Apple may take a look at how Android is now shrinking instead of growing and decide its not worth the effort to bring support to a competing platform when they could just watch it die.
What is shrinking?
So, Apple Maps a lot better than Google Maps, YouTube a little fun service that has not improved since was bought and the same for Google Search. Do you really live in our world?
Maybe it'll happen. Maybe not. Apple may take a look at how Android is now shrinking instead of growing and decide its not worth the effort to bring support to a competing platform when they could just watch it die.
Apple may be the richest company on earth, but it means nothing without good services. So, actually it would be easier for Google to watch iOS die rather than the other way around. You see most people use Google for anything on the internet just like you call any brand of tissues as Kleenex. Again Google sell ads so you people can use their services for "free". And you know what? Apple does it too with iTunes Radio, it's free with ads
You may hate Android for being so fragmented but if Google decides to terminate all services for iOS, which include Google search, Youtube, and Maps, I don't think people are going to buy another iPhone. It would be a $649 "smart"phone which actually less smart than a $150 Android phone.
A MacRumors article from about a week ago, showed that Android growth has leveled off or shrunk in most markets. I'm not going to search for it for you, I simply don't care enough.
Apple Maps works better for me. Youtube has not improved much - if at all - since Google bought them. Yes, that is what I'm saying. I was cut off in the middle of my comment about search by my desire to go out and earn money today. I should have made myself clearer - Google Search, like Youtube, outlasted the other services. Just as there is no more Streetfire, there is also no more Lycos or Altavista.
Hopefully, that will change. I look forward to the day when a better service comes along and knocks Google off.
Lord, I hope not. The sky is nicer on mine.
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You misunderstand iTunes Radio. The music is the product. The radio exists to expose people to songs that are close in theme to their selected artist or song. The commercials are just extra boodle for Apple. They don't even need to sell those ads, but hey its mo money. At least Apple isn't compiling my song choices into a user meta profile and commoditizing it or offering it up to the feds.
I don't hate Android for being fragmented. I hate it because i find it counterintuitive and 90 percent of its "services" are useless to me. Your straw man is really kind of ridiculous there, because you're making the assumption that its actually Google "services" that make the iPhone worth anything. I can go quite a long time without using their search, and I already don't use their Maps (ever) or Youtube (much - maybe once a week).
(BTW: How exactly could Google "terminate all services" for iOS? Not that I would really care, because I really don't use their garbage services except for search (remember, on my planet Apple Maps works better than Google Maps, and Youtube is a cute little service that I really don't need), but I'd really like to know how they would do this. What exactly would prevent me from doing a Google search? Would they decide to block iPhones from accessing search? Never mind the fact that I can simply request a desktop page in Safari, or load a user agent browser that reports me as a desktop Windows user - how could they stop me from using their search?
I already have nearly every one of their caches and cookies and little attempts at tracking me blocked via LittleSnitch, and I can still use their search, btw. If they did figure out a way to do it, I could still proxy in via various methods, or use one of the anonymizing search portals.)
This sums up your position, you hate Google and you don't have any real argument.
have a good day and let the hate shrink
That sums up your position - you have no response to my statements other than pick out a single line and use that as a straw man. I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt because someone doesn't worship Google the way you want them to.
Really, you should step away from the computer get out more.
My position on Google is what my position on Microsoft should have been, fifteen years ago. I wasted a lot of time fighting what I perceived to be an unbeatable monolith. I thought they were going to take over the entire computing world. Some people told me that given enough time, others would come along and knock them down. Linux was used as an example. I thought it would never happen.
Now, who is this "Microsoft" again?
Likewise, Google is going to fall, but aside from a company or companies to carry on search functions, I don't think the rest of Google is going to fall to a monolithic source. I think a peer-to-peer ad hoc darknet is going to spring up, similar to what was described in the Daniel Suarez novels "Daemon" and "Freedom". I think its inevitable, given the democratization of technology and Moore's Law. If that darknet happens, Glass will be a great thing and very necessary for its implementation. Too bad for Google - they're not going to reap the benefit.
Very nice!
I couldn't agree more, a Google Contacts app would be very welcome.
Using both an iPhone 6 Plus and a Nexus 6, I've grown to really appreciate Google apps and services.
If you haven't tried it I'd encourage you to install the new "Google Inbox App" . I've been using it since its debut and find it just terrific. So much that as soon as they released it for iOS I immediately installed it on my iP6+.
And that means there is no one who could provide an equivalent service better than Google. Right?
I don't get it, what are you trying to say here? Musics are the product of iTunes Radio just like Google Maps and other Google services are to Google. To provide them to you as "free" entities, someone has to pay. Hence, the ads.
Yes, I do assume that way. Would people buy a $649 phone with weird, unknown, and unusual little services? Would regular joes (which most iPhone users actually are) care to use duckduckgo to search the internet? Or care enough to use everything "not Youtube" to watch online videos? Or to not use Google Drive and Google Docs while their colleagues ask them to work on a collaboration document?
Yep go ahead and see what the iPhone can do without Google services at all? And I mean .At. All.
Meaning you're trying very hard and willing to do anything possible to use Google services with your iPhone. Yeah of course you don't want it to track you but you want to use its services freely. It's like you want to drink a beer but wouldn't pay a dime. And why is that? I thought you don't need Google at all?
Um.... what?
Seems to be a trend with you...
No, the ads do not pay for the songs you listen to. The idea - if you are familiar with the concept "idea" - is that the user enters a song or band name or genre, the Apple algos build a station around that, and the listener gets the opportunity to hear songs that are similar to their tastes at that given moment. The "BUY" button mentioned a few posts earlier (like it was something evil, apparently), allows the person to purchase the song. Hence, the song itself is the product, rather than the listening to the song being the product. Apple has no need to sell ads on the service at all. Its simply additional money for them. If they didn't sell ads, the stock market analysts would cry about Apple missing a revenue stream and the stock would drop $30/share on analyst predictions that Apple is doomed. The ads are sparse enough to where they are hardly noticeable.
I don't know. Ask the Blackberry and Windows phones guys about that.
The option is there to use whatever search the person is comfortable with. DDG, Google, Yahoo, Bing. Any one of those is hardly a "weird little service". Some people prefer one to the other. Who are you to say that everyone wants one over the other? Or are you going to don your magic hat and predict that "the vast majority" of iPhone users will require Google search?
There are plenty - and I mean that in the literal sense of "a lot" - of collaboration services that companies use without touching Google's services.
Look, if it would help you understand this better, let me give you an example. In my day job I have almost 200 customers (read: companies from very small to extremely large) that I deal with on a daily basis. All of them use computers, because apparently we can't live without them anymore. I think exactly one of them uses Gmail. None of them use any other Google services. No circles, hangouts, docs, drive, etc. For many of them, its because of the question of data security and integrity, but for many others, its simply because there is a better way for them to do it, and it doesn't involve using Google.
Hard to believe, isn't it? Google isn't the end-all of the entire computing experience.
I think what you're really trying to say, and you have very limited experience with the business world so you don't know this, is that modern users and companies can't do without cloud services. Not necessarily Google cloud services, but just cloud services.
Its really weird... now that you mention it, I've never thought about it. How do I use email, iMessage, Maps, Notes, Weather, the iTunes store, the App Store, iTunes U, DealNews, my alarm clock, Voice Memos, a bible app, Solitaire - without Google? What would I.ever.do.without.Google? And I.mean.ever? Answer: everything I've always done.
Yeah, if you want to play semantics, but thats not what I was talking about. In response to a ridiculous statement that iPhones would somehow become worthless without Google services, I asked just what Google could do to block Apple customers from using their services if it did come to that. I provided examples of how difficult it would be to block anyone from using it if they wanted to. Because I know these things doesn't mean I want to use their services, it simply means I know how to do it. I also know how to get around Youtube blocking anonymous viewers. That doesn't mean I simply can't live without Youtube.
You sidestepped my question. How exactly could Google selectively block iPhone users?
Again, I don't need them. If its there, and I use it, it doesn't mean I can't live without it.
In the end of your long and trying-too-hard post, I just wanna say this.
Yes iPhone needs Google to provide more options (because choices are good) for its customers, considering many people need and use Google service, and also OTHER services, it's a good thing that Google provides them to you for "free" (whether you want to use it or not entirely up to you, again it's an alternative)
Now you hate Google so much for no reason at all. You said it was being a monolith source that is someday going to fall, well same thing could be said with Apple and iPhone. Just like what happened with Nokia, who thought the giant cellphone maker would be so insignificant these days?
I appreciate for what google has done here, whether you use it or not I dont care, I do need it and no doubt many would (that include iPhone users too).
But then you dont need it and instead praying for the fall of Google as if it was Skynet trying to enslave mankind. So again what benefit would you have if Google is falling or succcesful, I thought you dont care at all? But then again you care enough to bash it all day long? Yeah, what a mature way to start a conversation
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Trying-too-hard to get a point across to you, I guess.
Not once did I ever say the iPhone shouldn't have Google services, or anything else. Thats up to the individual user. When you're on the losing side of a discussion, I notice you tend to deflect a lot.
I don't hate Google, not at all. You're being ridiculous in suggesting that. A company is simply a legal fiction, it can't have feelings, and it has no will. There is no point in hating it. I see through what the people who run the thing are trying to do, and I choose not to participate. I also choose to tell others exactly what they're getting into when they get involved with Google services. Doing such a thing is hardly "for no reason at all". The list of reasons for not trusting Google or Google's mission are long and legion.
Yes. Did you expect me to deny that? This is how business works.
Whether you use it or not, I don't care. Again, what is your point?
But then you dont need it and instead praying for the fall of Google as if it was Skynet trying to enslave mankind. So again what benefit would you have if Google is falling or succcesful, I thought you dont care at all? But then again you care enough to bash it all day long? Yeah, what a mature way to start a conversation
Here's a tip for you: when you post in a public forum, and the net worth of your posts can be summarized as erroneous and without basis in real world experience, you're going to get called on it. When you do get called on it, give up on the deflection tactics. Going off on a tangent, and pretending you can pigeonhole the other person isn't a way to defend your position.
I'm not trying to winning anything. I just asked the motive behind your "hate" to Google? Yes Google sells ads, yes they want your data to make sure their ads are relevant to both parties. You don't trust Google then you shouldn't trust Apple with the iCloud. You shouldn't trust anyone when you give away your data for them to use. But hey they're both free, what do you expect? You want something secure then pay for it. You pay for MS Exchange or BES then maybe they will put their hands off your personal information.
Yeah sure you don't hate Google, you just resent it, yeah just keep using the fancy words to imply the same meaning. Do you want me to ask Windows Phone and Blackberry users for using "weird, unusual, little services"? Just look where it gets them? 5% of market share? Or less? I don't know, I don't care enough too. But that's the significance of having or not having a vast alternative of services and apps, including Google's.
Erronous? Well let's move back a little, shall we? I suggest if iTunes app can be made for Android then maybe it will become a huge hit since Android folks could have access and buy iTunes musics, movies, or books. Money is money doesn't matter where it comes from. Apple has already done it with iTunes for Windows computers, so why not doing the same for Android?
It was a good, friendly suggestion and you respond with maybe Apple should just let Android die. This comment alone deserves a "what the hell" moment. So I said, well it won't because it's actually easier for Google to let iOS die rather than the other way around.
You want proof? Well let me deflect this in your face again, just ask Windows phone and BB10 users how popular their phones really are?
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the following post is a lengthy and reasoned response to your last post. Care has been taken to respond as accurately and transparently as possible. Please -
- ah, heck. Just skip to the place where you ignore everything I say that can't be taken out of context, and then write some oblique reference to how the first letters of several sentences taken together spell the word "DUCK", and tie that to how Google would destroy me if they wanted to but won't because they just want my data to serve me ads that I would really really love to read if I would only give them a chance..
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No.... you announced to the world at large that I must hate Google. You never showed any concern for a motive. Not that it would have mattered, because I don't hate Google. I think their Android OS is a mess, and I loathe using it. That doesn't translate into hate for a company.
You could stop there, and you would be totally correct. For the first time since you got into this thread. But you didn't stop there..
Thats a weak reason.
lol... show me where I said I did. I don't use iCloud, iCloud Drive, iCloud Photostream, iCloud facial tissue, or iCloud anything else. I don't use cloud services from any company. I have no use for it.
I don't give away my data for anyone's use.
I don't use MS anything, aside from Word and Excel. With auto updates turned off, they show no network activity, so please don't jump in with "Aha! You trust them with your data and therefore they are spying on you too!"
So... you're saying I should dumb things down a bit for you?
I think there's a little bit more to it than that. In the case of Blackberry, they figured that their messenger service would carry them through having a physical keyboard and no user expandability when the rest of the market went to touch screens and app stores. I know this is a tremendous oversimplification of RIM's problems, but you wanted things dumbed down for you.
The various flavors of Windows Phone were simply late to market every single time, and their engineering response to what they thought the market wanted was so far off base in just about every single case, they simply had no chance.
But, I shouldn't have to explain that, any more than I should have to explain to you that my remark about those two companies comes under the heading of "joke".
There is nothing preventing Android users from doing that. PC and Mac computers make up the lion's share of the computing market. You can access iTunes on both Windows and Mac OS. You can then move anything you purchase on iTunes to your Android device, just as you can to an iPhone, whether you have Windows or Mac OS. If the DRM is a problem, there are easy ways to get around that.
Were you not aware of that?
It was a good suggestion? In your mind maybe. Why would Apple support Android? They can withhold their services and wait Google out. If the recent sales and activation trends continue, Apple will pull ahead.
Or, maybe they'll both die? I don't care. I really, really don't. I've been in this a lot longer than you, and I base that statement not just on your poor understanding, but the fact that you treat this like a holy war.
I had to repeat that earlier paragraph in context with the last one, to show you have absolutely conquered the concept of a non sequitur. Good job.
the following post is a lengthy and reasoned response to your last post. Care has been taken to respond as accurately and transparently as possible. Please -
- ah, heck. Just skip to the place where you ignore everything I say that can't be taken out of context, and then write some oblique reference to how the first letters of several sentences taken together spell the word "DUCK", and tie that to how Google would destroy me if they wanted to but won't because they just want my data to serve me ads that I would really really love to read if I would only give them a chance..
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No.... you announced to the world at large that I must hate Google. You never showed any concern for a motive. Not that it would have mattered, because I don't hate Google. I think their Android OS is a mess, and I loathe using it. That doesn't translate into hate for a company.
You could stop there, and you would be totally correct. For the first time since you got into this thread. But you didn't stop there..
Thats a weak reason.
lol... show me where I said I did. I don't use iCloud, iCloud Drive, iCloud Photostream, iCloud facial tissue, or iCloud anything else. I don't use cloud services from any company. I have no use for it.
I don't give away my data for anyone's use.
I don't use MS anything, aside from Word and Excel. With auto updates turned off, they show no network activity, so please don't jump in with "Aha! You trust them with your data and therefore they are spying on you too!"
So... you're saying I should dumb things down a bit for you?
I think there's a little bit more to it than that. In the case of Blackberry, they figured that their messenger service would carry them through having a physical keyboard and no user expandability when the rest of the market went to touch screens and app stores. I know this is a tremendous oversimplification of RIM's problems, but you wanted things dumbed down for you.
The various flavors of Windows Phone were simply late to market every single time, and their engineering response to what they thought the market wanted was so far off base in just about every single case, they simply had no chance.
But, I shouldn't have to explain that, any more than I should have to explain to you that my remark about those two companies comes under the heading of "joke".
There is nothing preventing Android users from doing that. PC and Mac computers make up the lion's share of the computing market. You can access iTunes on both Windows and Mac OS. You can then move anything you purchase on iTunes to your Android device, just as you can to an iPhone, whether you have Windows or Mac OS. If the DRM is a problem, there are easy ways to get around that.
Were you not aware of that?
It was a good suggestion? In your mind maybe. Why would Apple support Android? They can withhold their services and wait Google out. If the recent sales and activation trends continue, Apple will pull ahead.
Or, maybe they'll both die? I don't care. I really, really don't. I've been in this a lot longer than you, and I base that statement not just on your poor understanding, but the fact that you treat this like a holy war.
I had to repeat that earlier paragraph in context with the last one, to show you have absolutely conquered the concept of a non sequitur. Good job.
I suggest that you have your friends review and edit your posts before you push the submit button, not after. Its a little exhausting keeping up with your post edits. I've ignored your previous ones, but this one changed enough to warrant some extra commentary.
Maybe you ought to rethink your whole approach here. Picture making your statement to Apple's board and executive team:
You:
"I know what to do! We have the most successful music store in the history of everything - lets become Android developers and port that successful experience to our main competition! We'll pick up a few more piles of cash."
Mickey Drexler:
"That makes a lot of sense, when you think about it. If we were trying to sink the company that is. The whole market is watching us continuously for a misstep. They'd have a field day with us coding an app to bring our number 2 source of revenue to the primary competitor of our number 1 source of revenue."
Eddy Cue:
"Um... wow... and who hired you?"
Craig Federighi:
"No wait, it does make sense, Eddy. If we hated our company."
Tim Cook:
"You are aware that Apple is in the business of selling hardware. Anything that we do is angled towards increasing hardware sales. Exactly how much of our hardware would we sell if we ported our music software to Android?"
Bob Mansfield:
"Arrrrggggghh!! Brains!"
Angela Ahrendts:
"You are NOT putting one of those pieces of crap Android phones in any of MY stores!"
Bob Iger:
"No Angela, he means put iTunes store on the Android phones, not put the Android phones in the Apple Store."
Angela Ahrends:
"But... that makes even less sense than what I thought he was talking about. Thats... oh, good heavens."
Bob Iger:
"While we're at it, maybe I could talk the Disney board into letting me license Disney characters to Great America and Knott's Berry Farm? We'd get some character licensing fees - any extra cash is good, right? - and the other parks would have more satisfied customers that love to go to those parks just to see our characters. And spend lots of money. Everyone wins. Please leave the room. Permanently."
You need to understand what brand dilution is.
Apple ported their iTunes and Safari software to Windows not because they would pick up some cash immediately, but because the UI and ease of use of those two things was such a jarring contrast to what Windows users were used to. Those ports were the first experience most Windows users had with Apple HIG, and by all accounts it was development money well spent. Its been said that those two bits of software did more to switch people from Windows to Macintosh than anything else. They strengthened their brand by showing people on another platform a better way to do things.
It wouldn't work that way with an Android port, especially with Google (finally) realizing the need for tight UI controls and a unified user experience on their new material design stuff. Any app that Apple put on there would look like a Google app, not an Apple app. They'd simply be extending Google without getting any new hardware customers. Then Google not only has those music customers on their hardware, they also have access to every bit of data on what they buy or stream. What books, TV shows, and movies do they want? And now, just as valuable as the immediate content data is the meta data - when do they watch? How often? Do they repeat watch? and here's a real big one - Who do they send recommendations to, and what do they recommend?
Its been explained many times here - Apple makes hardware, Google exploits data. Apple doesn't need to port a single thing to Android in order to sell hardware. If they did do a port, no matter how much they made from it, they're giving Google more data to exploit. The longer Google gets to take in data, the more the previous data they've collected is worth because each new bit can extend what was taken in before. And all Apple would get from it is a diluted brand, because people would associate the name Apple with a successful music player on their choice of device, rather than a maker of exceptional hardware.
Is this making a dent in your Gordian logic yet?
You know what Sill? Consider yourself winning this monologue, I no longer care. My argument is called a mere deflection tactic while your quote on me is an advanced intelligence I couldn't afford. Yeah silly me, thank you
Keep your hate, resent, distrust to Google, or Apple, or Microsoft or whatever it's called.
Do what you want, don't let the tin hat fall off your head though. The cloud is going to kill you though I think someone was saying:
But whatever .. Have a good day.
Keep your hate, resent, distrust to Google, or Apple, or Microsoft or whatever it's called.
Do what you want, don't let the tin hat fall off your head though. The cloud is going to kill you though I think someone was saying:
But whatever .. Have a good day.
Hey, when you have an argument that makes sense - any sense at all - I'll be the first one to cheer for you.
You make the asinine statement that the iPhone is unusable without Google services. You can't explain why, or how I can use my phone throughout the day without once using anything from Google. Instead you deflect that question by saying you're actually talking about Google offering Apple users another choice of services.
You make the ridiculous statement that if Google decided to "terminate all services" for the iPhone, it would crumble. I asked you how Google could possible prevent an iPhone user from getting those services if they wanted them. You deflect that question and the reasoning behind it into some kind of admission that I actually crave Google services simply because I can think of ways to get to them.
Those were just two instances. I lost count. You deflect more points than a goalie.
Ok, here you go again... I'm presuming you meant "tin foil hat"? So you make an ad hominem attack usually reserved for people who belittle conspiracy theorists (still trying to figure out where any kind of conspiracy entered into this), followed by you making yet another weird statement about something I said.
I bet that if you tied some yarn to the back of your pants, you would eventually make enough turns to weave a halfway decent sweater.
Yes, I said iPhone will be less usable and less popular IF Google terminate its services for iPhone. I stand by my point. Only a few would care enough to use Yahoo or DDG or Bing these days. Only a few would care to use anything else NOT Youtube to watch an online video. You can do without Google for years, well good for you. I can't, I appreciate for what Google trying to do for iPhone users (despite it's a direct competition to their Android phones) and despite Google "stealing" my personal information. ******* it if Google may know my preferences, my favorite musics, foods, my favorite dogs, cats or my favorite color and so what? Let it be. I don't care either if you can do without Google for your whole life. Satisfied?
The simplest step would be stop making apps for the App Store. Yes people may access or modify user string for Google search or using mobile Safari version of Google Maps or web version of Youtube. But it will be more tedious, more cluttered and people would just leave it because they can't access it appropriately. In the end maybe they will leave iPhone for not be able to use a "common services" everyone else has.
I wonder where you learn to count then?
In short you're the master of belittling someone else's opinion. So you can really really understand what Tim Cook, Eddy Cue, Craig Frederichi, Bob Iger, yada yada yada would say for any situation. Wow you must be a clairvoyant, or bad comedian? Or a little bit of both?
Again I don't care what you think. I enjoy Google services, but for sure I don't enjoy belittle someone else's opinion. Last time I check it's a free country where everyone may speak their mind. Must be different on your planet when a simple opinion is considered an attack, you feel offended so it must be terminated at all cost.
You said that you didn't think anyone would buy a $649 phone without Google services when they could buy a $150 phone WITH Google services. You also said that if Google decided to "terminate all services" for iPhones, the platform was basically doomed. Leaving aside the fact that you are compared the unsubsidized, no-contract price for the iPhone to the subsidized prices of current generation top-of-the-line Samsung phones, you directly challenged me to prove the iPhone was usable without Google. In fact...
I took the challenge. I outlined my personal experience, which includes using exactly zero Google services in any given day. I also outlined my own experience with around 200 customers who don't use anything Google, with the exception of one guy who has a Gmail account. So am I the villain here somehow, for showing you that the world doesn't revolve around your love for Google?
Give it a rest. No one said Google is "stealing" your personal information. I never said that. No one here has said that. People are willingly giving that information in many cases, in many others they simply aren't aware of the pervasive and invasive level of data collection, or the underlying purposes. There is no stealing going on at all. Are you clear on that?
Google isn't "trying to do" anything for iPhone users. At all. Other than collect their data. Thats all they want. In order to do that, they provide services. If they could get away with selling a simple phone that sent and received calls, but it also watched everything you did and said and reported it back to them, they would do that. Again, you don't know the business world. The typical company mission is to provide the minimum while reaping the maximum. The only thing that helps the end user is competition. Are you clear on that?
The iPhone is not direct competition to Android phones. I don't know if you can grasp that, but try. Android isn't there to compete with any hardware. The mission of Android is to make Google services ubiquitous, and make sure everyone uses them. I'm paraphrasing a quote from Eric Schmidt there, btw. Android, however, is a direct competitor to the iPhone. Each Android phone sold is one less iPhone sold. Each iPhone sold is one more potential user for Google services, if they can get the person to install those apps. Google wins 100 percent of the time, Apple only wins 50 percent of the time (based on the recent stats that show iPhones make up almost exactly 50 percent of new phone activations). Google does not care who uses Android, or if anyone has an Android phone. What they care about is making their services ubiquitous so they collect data by default. Are you clear on that?
I'm not out to convert you, or to tell you to stop using anything you want. Go show me where I said otherwise.
No, not maybe. Don't backpedal so hard or you'll risk knocking the chain off your bike. You said few if any would use the iPhone. I told you that I know of no one in my daily life that uses Google services. Actually, thats wrong. I had one customer that had Chrome installed. When I walked into her office, she was fighting with one of her logistics portals. She couldn't get it to work, so she couldn't get her product shipped. I had never used Chrome before, obviously, but when I found out that she was using it and this very common portal that millions of people use daily wouldn't work, I suggested trying another browser. She opened Firefox (or maybe I actually talked her into installing Safari, I can't remember), and the portal worked properly.
If I want to search something via Google, I can type the request into the URL bar on mobile Safari. I have never used nor needed to use the Google "app". Why install an app to do what can be done directly from the search bar that is already part of Safari? Likewise, if I decided that I want to use Google Maps, typing an address into that same search bar gives me a map right there in a browser window. Of course its obscured by a big banner ad for the Google Maps app, but once I clear that I have a serviceable map. Youtube? Again I use the browser version. It works as well as the one on my desktop, which I am used to.
Somehow, I knew you would say that... (<-that is a joke. I hope I don't need to explain that to you.)
I think its unfortunate that you get so hurt over satire. I treat almost everything with levity, when I'm not analyzing or rebutting. Sometimes its all three at once. Or did you really think I believed Bob Mansfield responds to things with "Arrrgh! Brains!"?
Now you take the high road. "Oh I'm so hurt and offended. All I did was mention that I like Google and he attacked me." I didn't attack you. You made a bunch of statements that can be summed up as :
1. You switched to Android
2. Google services work better than most of Apple's
3 Apple should port their most successful things to Android, like they did for Windows
4. Apple would be sunk trying to sell an iPhone if Google services weren't available for it.
5. Google could sink Apple if they pulled the plug on their services
6. iTunes Radio is supported by ads
7. Business requires Google services to get anything done
8. Sill hates Google.
My responses were:
1. I ignored it. Its your preference. Now, if I truly hated Google (which I don't), and I wanted to belittle you, I would have started there. I wouldn't have left you alone on it. Show me where I did that. I'll wait here.
2. Not for me. I don't use them much, and when I do I'm not happy with the results. There's my preference, just as you like Google, I don't. Strangely, you went after me for this. Belittle, much?
3. I explained the business case for both instances, and why one worked while the other couldn't. You couldn't rebut that. You still haven't.
4. Not true, gave you examples.
5. Impossible, and gave you examples.
6. You didn't understand the business model. I explained it. You didn't refute it.
7. Gave you examples from my own business day proving that wasn't true.
8. This is probably the dumbest one of all. You're showing your limited experience when you respond to someone with essentially yelling "HATER!". This is what discourse in our culture has fallen to: if you can't debate with facts, accuse the other side of an emotional bias.
You respond to facts with emotion. You don't like it when you get called on it. I can't help that. Have a nice life, and I hope someday you can look back on this and realize that you should look at things with a more open mind.
I have it on my iPhone 6+ and my iPad Air 2. I like it but two of my three email accounts is on Google apps which is not supported by inbox. When they add google apps support then it will be my go to mail app.
Strategy Analytics released the latest numbers yesterday. Year-over-year, Android gained in global market share from 78.9% to 81.2%. iOS declined from 15.5% to 15.0%. 4Q numbers always look good for Apple because of their release cycle. Year over year is more helpful.
That said, leveling off is pretty much a given at 80%... hard to push above that in any technology product sector.