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Google's Next Budget Phone Virtually Eliminates the Camera Bump

cmChimera said:
It is a better idea. Most people would rather a thinner phone with a camera bump than a huge, heavy slab with none.

You're in a small minority. Most people, including myself, don't want worse cameras on their expensive, premium smartphone.

Most people don't care.

You're in the minority.

You're in an extremely small minority

An iPhone 16 Pro Max made thicker to eliminate the camera bump would be a heavy, massive phone. This is a terrible idea.

Most people do want better photography, it's one of the largest drivers of phone upgrades.
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I'm not sure where you are getting your data that you are so certain

I suspect you are completely wrong
 
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"48MP main lens"

I think you mean sensor.


Everyone saying Apple do this....well we dont know what trade offs were involved. If none were...amazing. Maybe they have multiple periscope lenses. But its also possible real tradeoffs due to physics were made and they thought it was worth it.
 
One of the great things about the Pixel A series is that they can do night mode. I read the SE is not expected to have this, come on Apple you can do a lot better.
 
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ab2c4 said:
One of the great things about the Pixel A series is that they can do night mode. I read the SE is not expected to have this, come on Apple you can do a lot better.
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I'm uninformed on this - what is "night mode"?

Different than dark mode theming I assume?
 
cmChimera said:
An iPhone 16 Pro Max made thicker to eliminate the camera bump would be a heavy, massive phone. This is a terrible idea.
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Spot-on. For many, the bump is something to latch on to, for taking a swing at Apple.

For me the bump is mice-nuts.
 
cmChimera said:
An iPhone 16 Pro Max made thicker to eliminate the camera bump would be a heavy, massive phone. This is a terrible idea.
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Pro Max sure, if that's to be the "camera phone"

for every other phone: eliminate the camera bump by making the camera thinner
 
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If this is on a sub-6" display, I will have to take a very serious look at jumping over to Google.

The first concern is what to do about my Apple email which I've had since the MobileMe days. I've been slowly de-platforming over the past year+ but I still have some work to do. Is it even possible to
 
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Based on marketing, Apple is proud of the camera monstrosity on their flagship phones. I personally think it is one of the worst designs on the major phone manufacturers.
 
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anthony131 said:
If this is on a sub-6" display, I will have to take a very serious look at jumping over to Google.

The first concern is what to do about my Apple email which I've had since the MobileMe days. I've been slowly de-platforming over the past year+ but I still have some work to do. Is it even possible to
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I use Proton, Gmail and Apple email. I find Apple to be the worst of the three by far and almost never use it now.
 
Mr_Ed said:
Do you have evidence to back this claim, or are you just projecting your own priorities on to the billions of mobile phone owners that include many like my parents, and people who only have a phone because it’s the most convenient way to stay connected where they live?
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Designed for Apple Intelligence. Discover the iPhone 16e along with iPhone 16 Pro, iPhone 16, and iPhone 15.
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Aeronauts said:
Most people is not the same as everyone. If I want a better camera I would buy a camera rather than a smartphone. Apple should cater to the needs of all their customers not just the camera obsessives.
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Designed for Apple Intelligence. Discover the iPhone 16e along with iPhone 16 Pro, iPhone 16, and iPhone 15.
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Premium1 said:
You went through a lot of work to do PR for the trillion-dollar company apple. If the camera was such a driving force, more people would be upgrading sooner (data shows that is not the case).
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Would they? Diminishing returns are a thing. At some point, the camera is "good enough" for a significant amount of people and it would take a much bigger leap than has occurred in the last few years to spur upgrades. Also I don't really argue that being a main driver up upgrades to mean that it will always convince people in a cost/benefit analysis. I'm also not doing PR work. What a weird take.
 
Mr_Ed said:
How does this back up your original claim?
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It doesn't. It's a statement that if you just need a phone for a phone, don't care about the latest and greatest camera, but you also want an iPhone, that Apple makes a phone for you.
 
daemondust said:
I still can't believe Apple thought the camera tumor was better than keeping the phone slightly thicker (and filling the space with battery)
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I can completely believe it, and it’s totally obvious — the difference is that Apple designers can actually hold thick dummy models.
 
nathansz said:
I'm not sure where you are getting your data that you are so certain

I suspect you are completely wrong
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We can never know for certain, but any big-battery version of existing smartphones has been a failure, and camera quality has been consistently ranked very high on customer surveys.

Once again, we can all be wrong, but the fact that many companies have tried a lot of stuff and they all ended up with the camera bump design is a hint of what customers like.
 
Expos of 1969 said:
I use Proton, Gmail and Apple email. I find Apple to be the worst of the three by far and almost never use it now.
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I've moved almost entirely to Proton.

I'm the sort of weirdo who has a million email accounts for various things. I'm monitoring my mac.com for a year to make sure I get everything migrated over to pm.me. I also established my own lastname.me domain.

The integration will be missed. I just received an email from my credit card notifying me of my next due date. Proton Mail doesn't integrate with Apple Calendar to intelligently create a new event. Hopefully they have some improvements in the works.

Edit: Forgot my point... the bigger issue is that if I were to move to Google, there are some things I still need an AppleID for. To my knowledge, the only way to access iCloud / Apple email is either Apple's native apps or iCloud.com.
 
Variant opinion but I don’t look at the back or sides of my phone very often and like prefer the tactility of the prominent camera bump to a slippery flat back.
 
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daemondust said:
I still can't believe Apple thought the camera tumor was better than keeping the phone slightly thicker (and filling the space with battery)
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It would absolutely NOT be “slightly thicker.” If you were to make the iPhone thick enough to engulf the camera bump, it would feel enormous in the hand. And then with a case on as well? And the same people who complain about the bull would then complain about that thickness. Because they’re complainers. Apple made the right choice. Rarely do people lay their phone on a flat surface to tap away at it, anyone who suggests that’s FREQUENT is fibbing. People hold the phone in their hand(s) and making most of the phone thinner while having the camera protrude slightly is absolutely the most pragmatic and practical choice.
 
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neuropsychguy said:
What problems does the camera bump cause? I'm just wondering if it disrupts someone's use of smartphones with it? Are people using their phones in a way that require the phone to lie perfectly flat on their back on a surface?

Edit: Before people react with thumbs down or angry or whatever emojis, I'm simply interested if the camera bump is a functional problem for someone or if it's an aesthetic issue. I'm not defending the camera bump at all, I'm just asking questions about people's issues with it.
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It’s not a functional problem, it’s actually a functional solution. The camera hardware they’re using requires a certain depth, and they rightfully figured that a thinner and lighter phone with a protruding camera is better to hold (the way people are using their phones 99.9% of the time) than a super thick and heavier phone with a flush camera.

People will complain about anything. I mentioned in a separate comment, the same people complaining about the camera bump would complain if Apple made the phone thicker to get rid of the bump. They say they want more battery to fill up that extra space, then they’d be telling us about their carpal tunnel and filing class action lawsuits.

They’re entertaining, but it does get tiresome.
 
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aParkerMusic said:
People will complain about anything. I mentioned in a separate comment, the same people complaining about the camera bump would complain if Apple made the phone thicker to get rid of the bump. They say they want more battery to fill up that extra space, then they’d be telling us about their carpal tunnel and filing class action lawsuits.

They’re entertaining, but it does get tiresome.
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I would just add to this that even if, laws of physics aside, Apple made a flush mounted camera that was as good or better than one on a phone with a bump ... and there were ZERO compromises

We'd have people complaining and saying they "liked the bump"

To your point -- people on all sides of every issue -- we all just complain now

lol
 
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anthony131 said:
If this is on a sub-6" display, I will have to take a very serious look at jumping over to Google.

The first concern is what to do about my Apple email which I've had since the MobileMe days. I've been slowly de-platforming over the past year+ but I still have some work to do. Is it even possible to
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It’s larger than the pixel 8a very sadly.
 
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