Google's strategy to slowly kill off Youtube background play

Discussion in 'iOS 10' started by alec6542, Apr 26, 2017.

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Can you still play YT in the background with iOS 10? (Try before voting)

Poll closed May 26, 2017.
  1. Yes

    10 vote(s)
    23.8%
  2. No

    32 vote(s)
    76.2%
  1. alec6542 macrumors regular

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    #1
    For the longest time, with iOS you could play youtube audio in the background by pressing the home button after the video starts, swiping up to CC, and pressing play. Now, that doesn't work. For a few days, private browsing in safari fixed the issue, but then that stopped working. So I downloaded Chrome, same problem. Then I downloaded Firefox, worked for 2 days, but now, nothing! This is not an isolated incident; check out this thread from Apple Support forum:

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7734093?start=105&tstart=0

    There is no doubt this is intentional to get people to sign up for Youtube Red, but what really is interesting is Google's egregious yet brilliant approach to implementing the removal of this feature: rather than disable it for EVERYONE overnight, they are doing it piecemeal, little by little, disabling it for a few here and there, but not everyone, so as to prevent a backlash and PR nightmare. Think about it, if they did this overnight, there would be a huge backlash, with nasty articles written in the tech press deriding google for this move. Instead, you only see a handful of users complaining, while everyone else seems to be just fine, so it must just be a bug. But I assure you, one day you will wake up and it won't be working for you anymore either. I've tried every solution offered, including private browsing, third party browser, clearing safari history, and one by one, over the span of a few weeks, each solution has stopped working, so I assure you, this is no bug. I just want to get the word out that Google is in fact doing this, and doing it in such a way so that the public as a whole won't even notice, and not a single article is written about it. Yes, it was nice being able to play youtube in the background, but for me the worst part is that I cannot Airplay YT to my ATV and use my phone for anything else anymore. If I am Airplaying a YT video and then the phone goes to sleep, or if I lock the phone, or even press the home button exiting the app, the Airplay stream drops completely.

    To gauge what percent of MR users have been affected, I created a poll.
     
  2. Paddle1 macrumors 68030

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    Yep just tested it, not working. Here's another workaround for background play, instead of a third party browser use a third party "YouTube music player" app. It will circumvent the YouTube website's attempts to block background play.
     
  3. Shirasaki macrumors 603

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    Or just download each video or music and put them locally so YouTube could do nothing to stop people from playing local contents, unless they push law enforcement departments to ban people from playing stuff that way.
     
  4. DcGamer05 macrumors regular

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    Tubie is a good app for that. You can choose streaming quality over cellular as well
     
  5. Salvor Hardin macrumors regular

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    They seem to be doing some sort of trick to stop playback due to knowing you're using iOS from its's user agent, if you play a video from any site that can embed or loop YouTube videos background play works as usual.

    I'd probably have to ask around about this but I wonder if it would be possible to use Safari's content blocker to block the HTML code they're using to do this.
     
  6. leventozler macrumors 6502

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    Hold refresh button and hit the "request desktop site." You'll be able to play in the background.
     
  7. cswifx Suspended

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    It's part of the YouTube policy that you do not use YouTube as a music player for mobile devices. That's why the Play Store doesn't have any 'YouTube background players', while the Apple App Store does. Google's just trying to enforce its policies on the iOS ecosystem, to which I see no problem, because you shouldn't be using YouTube as a music player in the first place.
     
  8. addamas macrumors 6502

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    They want to use YouTube Red. Glad to be JB and background playing with mikoto tweak...
     
  9. slingshott macrumors member

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    One thing I never understood with music on YouTube is what Vevo's role is. What do they bring to the table? I totally see where Google are coming from with the background play, the horrible scrubbing means I seldom use it anyway.
     
  10. cswifx Suspended

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    Vevo's more a music video place than music. It's the same concept of MTV I guess.
     
  11. Justaguy48 macrumors member

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    You can stream in the background if you have YouTube red. It's not about crippling YouTube on iOS, it's BA out pushing you to pay for their service.
     
  12. twinlight macrumors 6502

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    I never really understood the reason for background playback. Don't you want to see the video?

    Does it still use data for video without actually showing it?
     
  13. Cakefish macrumors 6502

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    Can't pay for a service that's unavailable in my country (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)
     
  14. Justaguy48 macrumors member

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    I believe it's for streaming music for free. It isn't what I would do, and personally I find background playback more annoying because I had to pause the video before I close the app.
     
  15. koifish22 macrumors member

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    If you fullscreen a video when in landscape, you can still background it.
     
  16. yanki01 macrumors 68040

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    only way I got it to work was on safari, reload desktop site and play. hit home and swipe up and hit play again though obviously you won't be able to surf safari while it's playing.
     
  17. macduke macrumors 604

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    #17
    It makes sense. Why? YouTube makes money from ads. To get revenue from an ad, you have to be watching it. If you aren't in the YouTube app, you aren't watching it. You might hear it, but you aren't watching it, and companies are paying for ads that you watch and developing ads that focus on visual elements and not audio alone for their campaign to be successful. Therefore YouTube makes people pay for YouTube Red to stream in the background which offsets the lost ad revenue. Considering the bad place that YouTube is in lately with all of the big companies pulling their ads, it makes sense to accelerate this process.

    BTW, I'm not a Google fan. Just explaining how their business works.
     
  18. Goatllama macrumors 6502a

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    As @Justaguy48 said, it's for music streaming. Some songs aren't really available elsewhere (ex. Obscure chiptunes from old SNES games), and people tend to upload them to YouTube. YouTube should still profit from the ads, as they are hosting the videos. Then again, these uploaders could just use SoundCloud instead, which would suit this streaming purpose much better. Hopefully they'll start doing that instead.
     
  19. twinlight macrumors 6502

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    Only reason I'm looking at the ad is because it takes 5 seconds before I can hit skip.
     
  20. Feenician macrumors 68040

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    Use ProTube. Background play and Pip on ipad. No subscription.
     
  21. LDNA macrumors newbie

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    Wow YouTube are preventing people from not complying with their ToS :eek:

    If you don't agree with the ToS, then why do you still use their site?
     

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