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Dark mode is only being introduced in Android Q. Do not go saying that dark mode can be put on a phone with an app as that is not Android.
More correctly Dark Mode is being reintroduced with Android Q.
And the majority of Android smartphones in the marked have had dark modes for many years.
If Google doesn't do something it doesn't mean people don't have access to it like it happens with iOS.

Also a good portion of Apple's apps have been dark mode for years.

What does this mean actually?
In the last 1.5 years google added a dark mode to almost all its first party apps, including Photos, Phone, Contacts and Messages for example.
The major place where Android didn't have dark mode until Q was in the Settings apps.
 
As much as Google states theirs is better. They have still copied the hell out of Apple's Face ID. Surely this is patented? Also does not sound so secure since they are stating as soon as it sees your face. By defaults Apple's requires your eyes to be open and looking at the phone. That seems more secure.
What exactly did they copy?
And what patent are you talking about?
 
defenders of the  cause will try to denigrate anything not , but this Pixel 4 seems superior in many ways to the awkward, slow and unreliable FaceID.

and others are google fanboys who write nothing but unfounded BS. “Superior to the slow and unrealiable faceid”

oh good sir. Please tell me how fast and reliable your pixel 4 is. How long have you been using it?
 
Almost 2 years later ...
Not almost, but for sure at least 2 years. Pixel 4 is coming in October possibly.
Rumours were right saying Apple was ahead of its time with Face ID, but let's wait and see if Google's version holds up that well or even better.
 
I prefer FaceID, but hate the notch. I hope it'll disappear soon. I am not swaping X until then.
 
What exactly did they copy?
And what patent are you talking about?
You’ve got to remember that Apple invented facial recognition.
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Really? At night, I lay down in my bed and decided to watch some movies on my iPhone XR (I had it for 2 weeks and returned it, then brought other one with my companies employee offer last week), pick up my phone and looking at the screen, FaceID will fail EVERY SINGLE TIME. When I am in the middle of something, notification comes in, my phone is laying down on the table, guess what, FaceID will fail. When I am standing or sitting, if the angle is not exactly right, FaceID will fail EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I am afraid that I won’t stay with this iPhone XR for any longer, I have 2 week to decide if I want keep my XR. I miss TouchID so much, I keep going back to iPhone 7 and 8 Plus (and of course, Huawei P30 as my daily driver, cannot resist that sweet under display finger print censor).
How are you looking at the phone? It works pretty well in bed for me now. When I got the iPhone X I had to be lying on my back and looking up at the phone. However since iOS 12 I can be laid on my side and it will work.
 
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Curious why it needs a dot projector when it has radar?


Hopefully the combination will do better against the semi-evil twin test which is a weakness of Face ID.

The biggest two problems for me are the notch making the iPhone extremely ugly to look at. Humans find beauty in symmetry. The second problem is FaceID causes the notch when TouchID was an optimal solution. I can unlock my iPhone while it’s still in my pocket with TouchID. It’s sad that Apple keeps going down this road. Add both and let people choose. Get rid of the ridiculous notch, as symmetry is beautiful.
 
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As a long time Pixel and iPhone user, one for work one personal, I'm absolutely gutted that the Pixel is loosing the rear fingerprint reader in favour of face authentication.

The rear fingerprint reader and the ability to pull down the notifications/ settings using it is one of my favorite Pixel features.

Face ID on the other hand is my least favorite iPhone feature and one that irritates me all the time if I want to make a payment etc. There are extra steps and they are slow and makes the overall experience worse. In my opinion fingerprint readers are far superior for unlocking your device, in particular rear ones.

Not one Pixel user has ever asked for face authentication as far as I've heard. But sadly now that it's coming we can only hope that Google does a better job than Apple has so far.
 
I am not sure what Google is hoping will be different this time round.

As always, the critics here trying to latch on to one feature or another to make it sound like the Pixel 4 will leapfrog the iPhone miss the point. It’s not about whether the Pixel 4 is better than the iPhone in this one area or another, but whether it can offer a better user experience overall, and so far, it’s still the same Google through and through.

It’s clear that Google is charging the prices they are to target the premium end of the smartphone market and (hopefully) convert more of existing iPhone users. Apple is increasingly becoming a problematic intermediary between google and its users (as evidenced by Google having to pay more and more every year to keep google search as default on ios devices), and Google is hoping to bypass that.

However, having superior services may not even matter in the greater scheme of things. For example, if I am using an iPhone, I would be likely using an Apple Watch and airpods, which bring Siri to my wrist and ears. It doesn’t matter how much better Google assistant is when I won’t be using it anyways by virtue of the hardware I am using.

Thing is - I am not seeing what incentive I have to switch platforms, given that google services are available on iOS anyways. Nor has Google’s hardware been impressive (they are traditionally taken to offering cheap hardware with the intent of subsidising it via services).

So superior google services is no threat to me as an apple product user. The irony here is that google has to work even harder to convince me to use their services over Apple’s preinstalled defaults, which is exactly the opposite of what the critics claimed would happen (that google had Apple by the balls because they could always choose to withhold their services from ios, not realising this would never happen because Apple had aggregated the best users).

It just feels to me that Google deciding to do hardware is ultimately a flawed strategy. Cheap hardware won’t appeal to the premium market that Google is hoping to attract, while their more expensive offerings won’t offer the same value proposition as an iPhone or Samsung phone.

Don’t even get me started about their problematic distribution strategy.

I can’t help but laugh at the idea that there are people here who think that Apple is actually going to “lose” here.
 
The irony of you claiming “brand loyalists bent at 90 degrees” then proceeding with a novel-length-rant that shows you’re the one bent out of shape over me posting facts.
How does that make me a brand loyalist? Do you even know what that means? How does me as an iPhone owner disagreeing with your biased opinions make me a brand loyalist? Give it some more thought, please.
 
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I am not sure what Google is hoping will be different this time round.

As always, the critics here trying to latch on to one feature or another to make it sound like the Pixel 4 will leapfrog the iPhone miss the point. It’s not about whether the Pixel 4 is better than the iPhone in this one area or another, but whether it can offer a better user experience overall, and so far, it’s still the same Google through and through.

It’s clear that Google is charging the prices they are to target the premium end of the smartphone market and (hopefully) convert more of existing iPhone users. Apple is increasingly becoming a problematic intermediary between google and its users (as evidenced by Google having to pay more and more every year to keep google search as default on ios devices), and Google is hoping to bypass that.

However, having superior services may not even matter in the greater scheme of things. For example, if I am using an iPhone, I would be likely using an Apple Watch and airpods, which bring Siri to my wrist and ears. It doesn’t matter how much better Google assistant is when I won’t be using it anyways by virtue of the hardware I am using.

Thing is - I am not seeing what incentive I have to switch platforms, given that google services are available on iOS anyways. Nor has Google’s hardware been impressive (they are traditionally taken to offering cheap hardware with the intent of subsidising it via services).

So superior google services is no threat to me as an apple product user. The irony here is that google has to work even harder to convince me to use their services over Apple’s preinstalled defaults, which is exactly the opposite of what the critics claimed would happen (that google had Apple by the balls because they could always choose to withhold their services from ios, not realising this would never happen because Apple had aggregated the best users).

It just feels to me that Google deciding to do hardware is ultimately a flawed strategy. Cheap hardware won’t appeal to the premium market that Google is hoping to attract, while their more expensive offerings won’t offer the same value proposition as an iPhone or Samsung phone.

Don’t even get me started about their problematic distribution strategy.

I can’t help but laugh at the idea that there are people here who think that Apple is actually going to “lose” here.
So many excuses. LoL

To quote one of the first comments of this thread:
Google seems to be doing exactly what fans always commend apple on - take a good idea, and improve the execution.

There's no point in being salty about it, just take a deep breath and move on, it is what it is.
But anyway do you have anything to say about Google's facial unlock system, how the first details look? Taking in consideration that this is the only thing you didn't mention directly even if it's the main subject of this thread.
 
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It also sends your entire freaking life to the murkiest, most powerful company on the planet. Even if that thing had an integrated teleportation device I wouldn’t buy it.
 
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Wake me up when Google actually bothers to support their devices as long as Apple. Otherwise, it's more of the same leapfrogging that we've all seen before (and I actually prefer TouchID over FaceID TBH). /yawn
 
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Wake me up when Google actually bothers to support their devices as long as Apple. Otherwise, it's more of the same leapfrogging that we've all seen before (and I actually prefer TouchID over FaceID TBH). /yawn
So you are sleeping?
How much support does Google have to offer in order to match Apple?

Currently they offer 3 major OS updates plus an additional year of security updates which won't matter much because they are actively working on separating security updates from OS updates so users will only need Google Play Store in order to get Security updates.
Past that, Google Apps and Google services will continue to get regular updates even if the phone won't receive any major OS updates.
 
Nah, I’d wait for Apple to copy the feature. I mean there’s always the danger that google cancels the service without announcement somewhere between disintegration and re-integration
What service? What you mentioned was an independent feature.
 
So many excuses. LoL

To quote one of the first comments of this thread:
Google seems to be doing exactly what fans always commend apple on - take a good idea, and improve the execution.

There's no point in being salty about it, just take a deep breath and move on, it is what it is.
But anyway do you have anything to say about Google's facial unlock system, how the first details look? Taking in consideration that this is the only thing you didn't mention directly even if it's the main subject of this thread.
I didn't address it directly because there was no need to.

My point is and always has been the same - it's not going to matter.

For one, you are all assuming that it's going to work as advertised. Which I find quite interesting. I remember when Touch ID and Face ID were first announced, and there was just so much negativity aimed at it. People were claiming that robbers would go around chopping their victims' fingers off to unlock their iPhones, or how Face ID was a bad idea as it could be bypassed by a 3D face model (like every criminal out there is Ethan Hunt with a 3D face scanner). Then when Google (or any other company for that matter) announces a similar feature, suddenly none of these concerns matter anymore.

Double standard much?

Second, I am not sure what exactly google has done to earn users' trust as a reputable hardware manufacturer. The Pixel 3 was a smartphone with a great camera and problems in pretty much every other area. You are all assuming this Face ID variant is somehow going to be so revolutionary and out of this world, and that the rest of the phone will either be perfect, or that Face ID will be so good that it renders every other drawback void.

I wouldn't bet on it. Software updates will continue to be an issue so long as Google is reliant on Qualcomm for its processors, for one. Distribution, customer service, a cohesive ecosystem. All these are areas that Google still lags behind in.

Third, I do see some merit in the concept of air gestures (not simply because Apple is rumoured to be doing it, but because I see it as a key way of controlling a future pair of Apple glasses, and I suppose Apple will have to first introduce this feature somewhere), but again, this strikes me as a feature that requires tight integration between hardware and software to get right. Something which Google is not well-known for.

It's the whole folding phone fracas all over again. Everything Apple does is held up to intense scrutiny and impossible standards, while everything the competition does is automatically given a free pass and the critics start hallucinating about how it's so much better than Apple's and how it's proof that Apple is failing, even though said product hasn't even been released yet.

And then there's still the elephant in the room that no one seems to want to address. How many units do you think Google will sell? It's not going to be cheap thanks to Face ID alone, and google hardware has not shown how they justify their premium pricing.
 
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I see salt dispensation is in full swing already.

Google seems to be doing exactly what fans always commend apple on - take a good idea, and improve the execution.

For all thatbFaceID does right, it has shortcomings. I am very keen to see if Google can make it better.

fanboys are awful no matter the side they’re on. Looking forward to see what google has to offer. I won’t switch either way because my phone needs to last another two years but it’s still cool to watch.
 
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