Got my thoughts

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by Dingo Dave 69, Feb 24, 2008.

  1. Dingo Dave 69 macrumors 6502

    Oct 23, 2007
    I have now had my AppleTV for 1 week. After investigating and asking questions about it on this forum I thought I would post my opinion on it.

    Up until a month or so ago, I thought AppleTV was only a way to let you listen to podcasts and your itunes music on a seperate television. This did not really appeal to me enough to warrant buying one. I already had my ipod and speakers in my lounge so didn't see the need to have it on my TV. This forum changed my mind about buying one. I never used itunes before for movies or TV programmes. When I discovered you could use AppleTV to store all your movies and be able to watch them without bothering going and finding the disc etc I knew I had to have one. I have hundreds of DVD's and it is so convenient being able to pick browse and watch something without having to go looking for the discs.

    I feel that this product is very undersold by Apple. Most of my friends don't seem to know much about it compared to other Apple products and when I explained to them you could store all your films and stream them nearly all of them were quite impressed. Having the ability to browse the itunes store and also browse your photos is nice but again these factors would not have made me go out and buy one.

    Living in the UK is so far definitely a disadvantage compared to the states though when you look at the american store. I am not keen on starting to buy blu-ray movies and i would like to have the option to rent or download HD movies on my appleTV but again this is not yet available in the UK. Once this has launched I hope the product will fulfil my need of getting new content.

    I have had my AppleTV for a week and already I can see my friends getting interested in buying one. The only thing I can see putting them off is the whole ripping, running through metaX and handbrake to get the finished film on your AppleTV. I don't think the majority of "Normal" consumers would have the effort to do this. It has taken me quite a lot of time finding out how to do it myself, something which I feel Apple should have helped more with.

    In a perfect world I would like itunes to add DVD's to my itunes library in the correct format just like it does with audio CD's, I am surprised Apple have not implemented this yet.

    Anyway I am glad I got the device and would recommend it to others. If any potential buyers have any questions I am willing to help post any comments or answers you may be looking for.
  2. MikieMikie macrumors 6502a

    Aug 7, 2007
    Newton, MA
    Welcome to the fold. ;)

    Yes well, this is the crux of the problem, and why Steve Jobs referred to Apple TV as a 'hobby" before the launch of version 2.

    Apple cannot and will not help you break the law -- they would be abandoned by the movie studios and so would lose access to all of the itunes music store content.

    Ripping and encoding DVDs is, unfortunately, against the law despite your and my intentions. I make digital copies of my own purchased DVDs, and then sync/stream them with my Apple TV, but that's not something Apple can come out and help us with. At best, they look the other way.

    I am happy breaking this law, so don't get me wrong -- I am not judging anyone here. I just brought it up so you could see that there is no way Apple or any large corporation could make it easier for us to rip and encode.
  3. Dingo Dave 69 thread starter macrumors 6502

    Oct 23, 2007
    Thanks for the reply :)

    Can you ( or someone else please explain ) why is it ok for Apple to have the feature in itunes to find CD information and rip the CD format to something else but not do the same for movies? It is basically the same thing is it not?
  4. papagrande macrumors newbie

    Feb 24, 2006
    Under the law it is not the same thing. I am not a lawyer that practices in that field, but I believe the law changed for cds but the similar law on dvds has not changed. So if you own a cd, you can legally rip it. Not so for dvd.
  5. trip1ex macrumors 68000

    Jan 10, 2008
    I think there was a ruling in the US which concluded circumventing DVD copy protection was illegal or something like that. There's no copy protection on cds.

    My view on ATV is that it's slick and yet doesn't really do anything I can't do now. IT's also more expensive to rent DVDs through it than the options I have available to me today.

    Now if I had a big DVD collection then maybe I would get one. But that would also mean getting a 500gb hard drive or larger to store the movies on and if I went to the trouble of ripping a large DVD collection I wouldn't want to do it again if a hard drive failed so I would need a second 500gb hd to back the movies up too.
  6. ipoddin macrumors 6502a


    Jan 6, 2004
    Los Angeles
    Well the latest experiment is that movie studios will be putting digital versions ready for iTunes on the discs themselves.
  7. BOSS10L macrumors 6502a

    Jan 13, 2008
    Upstate NY
    That's great, it's about time. Problem is, what about the rest of us suckers
    who have legally purchased DVDs since the beginning.
    IMHO, they won't be stopping piracy, and only serve to piss off
    those of us who are trying to do the right thing.
  8. JimmyDreams macrumors 6502

    Jul 24, 2007
    I will buy new DVD's if they have iTunes ready digital versions on them. I'll use the digital version for my :apple:TV.

    I will rip whatever DVD's I already own, and use them for my :apple:TV.

    I will also rent new questionable movies before I buy them. I have a LOT of DVD's that I paid $19.99 for that flat out suck. I'd MUCH rather weed them out by renting for $3.99/4.99 and saving the purchase price.

    If any of THAT is against the law, then maybe we should forget the murderers and drug dealers and concentrate on anyone looking for a wireless way to watch their movies in the comfort of their own bedroom. Jeez....:mad:
  9. TheQuestion macrumors regular

    Aug 3, 2007
    Location is relative, no?
    One US law says you have the right to make copies of any media you legally possess. Another law says you cannot break DVD encryption. It's a tricky legal issue.
  10. live4ever macrumors 6502a

    Aug 13, 2003
    I always thought a good way for Apple to do something like this would be to show you how easy it is to add all your DVDs to the TV... the ones you've been creating over the years in iDVD (since these DVDs are not encrypted) and give a nice interface for tagging etc. Then the iTunes software won't be breaking the DVDs' encryption.
  11. Avatar74 macrumors 65816


    Feb 5, 2007
    This has to do with the differences in the formats on CD and DVD media.

    CD Audio (16-bit Linear PCM) is not copy protected. Therefore, personal backups do not fall under 17 USC 12 (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) which makes it illegal to circumvent copy protection schema. DVD's do have an inherent copy protection schema, CSS. One must break this copy protection to back up a DVD and therefore it is illegal.

    Apple would not, as has been previously stated, get the support of the studios to provide content for AppleTV if they provided a means for breaking said encryption. Furthermore, they could face civil and criminal penalties for creating software that does so. I am not sure of the legal loopholes by which the creators of Handbrake and Visual Hub get around this... but Apple is a large company with large coffers, and would not easily escape such litigation.

    Apple is in a much better position by staying out of that legal morass and instead focusing their resources on solutions that offer greater overall convenience than their illegal alternatives. By one token you may consider P2P services convenient but even they require more technical knowledge than simply browsing a visual menu on a TV an pressing a button to rent content that can be played straight through to your home theater... rather than the myriad gyrations you have to go through just to watch P2P content on your PC, or to set up a Media Center to stream it to your TV.

    By focusing in this space, Apple is providing a much greater service to the average consumer at the cost of alienating what is still, by and large, a small niche of users. That niche appears big to those of us who browse these forums. However, tech forums like this are not a good representation of the opinions of the general population.
  12. cohibadad macrumors 6502a


    Jul 21, 2007
    I like that idea
  13. hotshotharry macrumors 6502

    Sep 6, 2007
    LOL i just want to let you guys know that if for some reason ( your reset your apple tv to restore the original firware because it is not syncing with your comp) you will loose everything including purchased tv programs !!!

    just keep that in mind, !

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