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Once the company reaches the point where it has upper-hands in the market, it will focus their marketing strategy differently compared to what it used to do as an underdog in the market. As the previous poster said, Apple's iPod lines have gained the title as the market leader and Apple does not need to keep selling iPods at high qualities. If a company is new to the market and does not establish its footing yet, it has to offer products/services which separtes it from compeititon (which is to offer high quality products, as one of many other options).
 
Your typically company would not remove their most successful product, ipod mini, and take a risk at replacing it with something that is quite different but smaller, nano. Apple seems to care about perfection even when they lead the market.
But I'm really not sure why they don't have more quality control, and don't make multiple revisions of logic boards to fix bugs like many other companies do.
 
Interesting theory, but it ignores the economics of quality. In the long run, its almost always much much cheaper to build a product right initially than to go back and fix it later.

Well, I'm going to head to the Apple store today and see if I can see those lines that everyone's talking about. I'm also going to buy my PB from a vendor with a liberal return policy, like Amazon.
 
Gokhan said:
i tested all 15" pbs in the apple regent street store and all the tech did not even know about the problem :mad:

I really believe that when rampant cases of quality control problems break out at Apple, the techs are told to play dumb.

Remember a couple years ago when the first 15" Al-Books came out, and like, EVERYONE on this board who bought one had the white spots? Apple's support forums were flooded with messages, MacRumors and all the other Mac boards were flooded with messages, Apple was getting tons of calls about it, and still...you'd call and it's, "what problem with white spots?"
 
k

you hit the nail on the head mate apple dont give a **** about us anymore well you know what and i am shocked to say i dont care about them anymore if my software collection was not mac they could stick thier machines right up thier big coporate arses !!

anyway i heard the new 17" has a unevenly lit display and has a light band a 3rd of the way down the display enough to put me off unless not all owners have this problem ? then i just might still go for it but i tell u never ever will i be taken for a emotional ride again so **** you apple stand up for what you really standed for quality not greed that microsofts arena!!! :mad:
 
In the beginning...

Computers were armored behemoths. Not long ago they took entire rooms, and once even an entire building.
They cost so much that even owning one seemed an achievement.
Some processes took long enough that you could make coffee, make love or make up for some lost sleep before the system would be responsive again.
We could prop our cars up on a tower case, and it was good.
Atari was your game console, Duran Duran ruled the airwaves.

The exodus.

Computers began to get smaller and lighter. But not by much.
They started wearing composite shells, plastic with a metal frame.
They cost a lot, but some people could afford to buy another in a year or two.
Some processes took long enough for you to sip your coffee or check your email before they were done.
We could somehow afford to buy music and computers and stay afloat. The price of gas was the same as a cup of coffee, or a little more.
Nintendo was your game console, and Guns and Roses was still a big name.

Wandering in the desert.

Computers begat laptops and laptops begat pdas. And cellphones slowly became the common headworm parasite. Laptops began stepping out of word processing arenas and towards replacing desktops. But the desktops had proliferated, and Windows had snuck up and suckpunched Macintosh. The internet grew up and then popped. And the stick mess remaining in 2/3 of its space, was pron. Napster became the channel for music and film, if you could afford broadband.
We all played playstation and mourned the loss of Nirvana.

Phoenix Rising.

Pdas begat mp3 players and mp3 players betrothed dvd players and brought forth pvps and psps and gadgets thought up by long time users of lsd. Many computers were now almost all plastic, bus speeds began to climb as did processor speeds. Pixel count and frame rate begame the topics young minds wandered. Suddenly roaring loud supercooled custom computers seemed almost cool, almost. IT careers were at their peak, and we all survived the Y2K bug better than we feared.
Xbox was here and PS2 was still better.

Future Outlook

Public information changes knowledge and public knowledge steers eternity. Modular systems begin to be developed, as do completely plastic or composite machines. Less and less moving parts, more light bridges and solid state drives push beyond theoretic processing limits. Laptops rule over desktops who in turn lumber off slowly in the powerful direction, laptops instead leaning on battery time and lightweight. Osx Cheetah and Windows Vista match consumer wits and find consumers becoming more and more informed. Crossplatform software suddenly becomes en vogue. Cell phones swallow up pdas and look hungrily and mp3 players and pvps. Canon will make a cellphone camera to spank all others. Some guy will make a motherboard chipset that runs at processor speed with integrated ddr8 256bit memory and totally forget we have run out of fossil fuel.

With every game console under our widescreen led-lcd's, and five portables in our laptop bag... video games became the drug of choice.

Its a good thing those laptops will weigh about a pounded, because we're gonna be using them on the bus.

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Yeap, and what I don't understand is why people keep making excuses to defend Apple's actions. Come on, Apple doesn't need you to jump to their defense.

With all this shoddy hardware it is really no surprise why Apple is so keen to lock OSX x86 to authorised macs only.

Screw them and their bubble world, not gonna happen.
 
Gokhan said:
also does anyone know where i can order the rev before the new powerbook in the usa that will ship to the uk or i do have a friend who is in new york who might be able to pick me one up !

any suggestions ??


www.cancomuk.com - based in Croydon, branches in London and the south. Lots of older pb refurbs

very nice people
 
Gokhan said:
anyway i heard the new 17" has a unevenly lit display and has a light band a 3rd of the way down the display enough to put me off unless not all owners have this problem ? then i just might still go for it but i tell u never ever will i be taken for a emotional ride again so **** you apple stand up for what you really standed for quality not greed that microsofts arena!!! :mad:

mine doesn't...

i've never heard of this light band problem before, i certainly don't have it, and as for the backlight, yea, it's not perfectly even, but show me a display that is. not to mention that i have to try really really hard in order to even notice it anyways.

don't worry about it, problems get blown way out of proportion on here. remember the expression "you never hear about the planes that DO land"
 
fps said:
One of the things that bug me though is the willingness of many people to defend Apple and their products even when the products have defects! Mind boggling...

I completely agree! I joined this forum a few months back having bought a 2nd hand ibook that turned out to be a duffer- so many things went wrong with it I ended up selling it on ebay for spares.

When I posted questions here about it, for example when the combo drive gave up, I was told by some 'not to blame apple' because they don't manufacture their own drives!! To my mind this is an unbelievable mentality and it helps to protect apple from quality lapses because they know they have these die-hard users who will defend them simply because they love the brand.

Apple has always sold units in part because they are seen as the 'cool' or 'trendy' option, and now they are playing on this more than ever, but without the attention to the high quality and detail that always backed them up.
 
k

yeah cancom are very good but they are expensive i could get a refurb 15inch 1.67 1 gb ram 100gb hardrive from apple for £1364 which is still think is too much considering with edu discount i am getting a newer machine for £1189 unless my freind can find me a machine in hong kong i will not bother to buy
anything !
 
londonweb said:
I completely agree! I joined this forum a few months back having bought a 2nd hand ibook that turned out to be a duffer- so many things went wrong with it I ended up selling it on ebay for spares.

When I posted questions here about it, for example when the combo drive gave up, I was told by some 'not to blame apple' because they don't manufacture their own drives!! To my mind this is an unbelievable mentality and it helps to protect apple from quality lapses because they know they have these die-hard users who will defend them simply because they love the brand.

Apple has always sold units in part because they are seen as the 'cool' or 'trendy' option, and now they are playing on this more than ever, but without the attention to the high quality and detail that always backed them up.

that is true and most of them it seems (from another board) are high school kids who get hazed at school for using a mac. That is the reason why you cannot explain any thing to them. I joined this forum couple of years ago and it is full of them esp buying/harware advice etc. My suggestion ignore them. And move to more matured (even slightly) forms like arstechnica etc.
 
Interesting theory, but it ignores the economics of quality. In the long run, its almost always much much cheaper to build a product right initially than to go back and fix it later.

Yeah, but that's not realistic, products aren't ever really perfect, there are always minor things to fix. Apple should put more effort into fixing problems.
 
Of course they should fix any problems, that's not the issue. The issue is whether its more profitable to ship a bad laptop and then fix the problems or to ship a good one in the first place. Anyone who knows manufacturing knows that the earlier you can find the defect, the less expensive it is.

The moment a laptop with a bad screen rolled off the assembly line, somebody should have pulled the cord and thrown out the entire batch of screens. Yes, that's expensive, but its much cheaper than shipping a hundred thousand bad laptops to customers and then having to recall them all.
 
Right, but they'll always been some problems that show up later evne if you do a good job of searching for them, before release.
 
Unfortunately, what needs to happen is bad.

People will get fed up with subpar quality and either turn to earlier rev. machines or leave the apple brand altogether. Apple loses money and marketshare, and back to square 1 it goes.

Though,hopefully losing money doesn't mean dissipation of the company.
 
Return your Powerbook

I think that the line problem is important for us to complain about because

1) No other computer manufacturer sells bad screens like this. By returning your defective product, you are sending your message in dollars that this Apple product is not worth the money.

2) The lines really do distort what you're seeing and isn't good for you. Look everyone, every third row of pixels has a noticeably lighter tint to the rest of the screen. It distorts the way we see smooth curves (look at the curved lines of the default blue desktop background image -- they're jagged) and some folks even complain of a headache. And for professionals who use the screen for as many as 12 hours a day... it's a bit much to put up with.

By looking around at the entire laptop market, AT MINIMUM the product should have a proper quality screen.

I just wish Apple would fix this. Don't ya'll?
 
k

yip i agree return ur powerbooks amd tell them WHY hit them where it will eventually will hurt the pockets $$$$$

but i am getting sick of the epople claiming they can live with it and thr problem aint so bad thats the sorts of people apple like SUCKERS !!!
 
k

also i did order a refurb now for £1364 superdrive 100gb 128 graphics £1228 with egg card discount very good i think i would suggest to uk buyers to pick that deal up while u can !!
 
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