So far from what I've read, benchmarks are not backing up your statement. The SB is faster then the 13" MBP.
I wrote "are going to use"
So far from what I've read, benchmarks are not backing up your statement. The SB is faster then the 13" MBP.
As it stands the SurfaceBook is faster then the MBP. Nothing surprising there in part because its a new computer and the MBP is not. When the MBP is updated, it will be the new computer and the SB will be the old one (relatively speaking).
To include a dGPU, Microsoft has to use a heavily down clocked custom configuration of an Nvidia chip. Apple don't need to add a dGPU to compete — the Intel iGPUs that they are going to use in their 13" line will basically be just as fast.
There was never ever a dGPU option with any 13" MBP. And Apple is moving to integrated because the integrated are just as good performance-wise. They will completely drop the dGPU once the dGPU becomes obsolete — which will most likely happen within a decade or so.
In 2008 you could get a 13" with an Nvidia dGPU: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP500?locale=en_US
I believe up until the 2011 refresh the 13 came with the dGPU
So true, i don't get the cult like following of the MBA its not a machine i would ever contemplate buying.
I received my Surface Book yesterday. I'm speechless. This thing is the future,
makes my Macs look obsolete. Not old, but prehistoric old. Incredible.
Photoshop runs like a charm. 16GB of RAM, Nvidia card, 512 SSD, i7. Everything is seamless.
Tablet mode - perfect.
But the device itself is the most amazing. Screen can be detached easily, flipped, reattached.
Pen is as smooth as any Wacom. When in tablet mode, you can use writing recognition
and it WORKS! Anything, web addresses, passwords anything works. Switch to a virtual keyboard
if you want to. When we saw how great writing recognition works, our jaws dropped.
This is my first exciting laptop in ages, more than 10 years for sure.
Feels like the future. My previous comparable experience - first iPhone.
So sad to see Apple being so far behind. Even Windows 10 make OS X look very old...
Microsoft got the jump on Apple with the Surface. I have to admit I was a little envious of my colleague when he brought his Surface into work; particularly after the Windows 10 upgrade gave it an attractive, un-Windows-like interface.
I received my Surface Book yesterday. I'm speechless. This thing is the future,
makes my Macs look obsolete. Not old, but prehistoric old. Incredible.
Photoshop runs like a charm. 16GB of RAM, Nvidia card, 512 SSD, i7. Everything is seamless.
Tablet mode - perfect.
But the device itself is the most amazing. Screen can be detached easily, flipped, reattached.
Pen is as smooth as any Wacom. When in tablet mode, you can use writing recognition
and it WORKS! Anything, web addresses, passwords anything works. Switch to a virtual keyboard
if you want to. When we saw how great writing recognition works, our jaws dropped.
This is my first exciting laptop in ages, more than 10 years for sure.
Feels like the future. My previous comparable experience - first iPhone.
So sad to see Apple being so far behind. Even Windows 10 make OS X look very old...
I truly hope this is not the direction.
Also, I should add, while the SurfaceBook is faster with the dGPU, it's also $400 more than a similarly equipped 13" rMBP.
But competition is good and hopefully this will push Apple to perhaps 'think different' once again.
I am curious to hear your comment about Windows 10. I have been using it now for some of the Windows-only software and also for Windows software deployment and i don't really understand what the fuss is all about. Sure, its not as disorganised as Windows 8, but the search still does not work, the windows Explorer is abysmal for file management, and the stock support for different file formats is still pretty much non-existent despite improvements. They made a virtual desktop UI (finally), which is a complete joke because it lacks basic functionality like dragging windows between desktops. The entire system is still a dysfunctional mix and match between different UI styles (some system dialogs remaining essentially unchanged from Windows 95) and other stuff blatantly from OS X and KDE. I understand that for a Windows XP user, this seems like an improvement. But for a OS X user, who has had all these features (with much better functionality BTW), this surely must look like a sad joke.
Example of the dysfunctionality: if I go to the start menu and go tot he settings/network and internet, I have the option to look at the different connections. Not only is this menu organised in the least space-efficient manner possible (Ethernet connected, really, is that all you have to tell me?), but there are also other system dialogs that offer very similar functionality (networks and sharing center, anyone?), but are organised completely differently. Not only that, but some dialogs are not even accessible from the settings panel, like the above mentioned networks and sharing center. For instance, if i want to know the IP of my computer via the UI, I have a number of very different options which all involve sequences of clicks through a confusing number of buttons. In contrast, in OS X, I either go to Settings/Network (where it would automatically select the active connection for me), where the IP is conveniently written, or I simply option-click the menu bar icon to get all kinds of diagnostic information.
For me, the above illustrates the insurmountable gap between OS X and Windows: its about quality, attention to detail, and the will to do a proper job. Apple developers actually care about their system, and they try to make things logically consistent. Yes, they fail sometimes, the quality control of the software is not the best and the choices they make often annoy the hell out of us users. But Apple is following its vision and it is passionate about it. In contrast, Microsoft seems to aimlessly drop random stuff around, with little regard to coherency or artistic sense. I fail to see any significant difference between Windows 7 and Windows 10 and so far, I haven't obsessed a single feature in the new Windows that would make me even think about possibility to switching from OS X. Of course, your mileage might vary, but at least for me, there is not a single thing that Windows does better. It tries to emulate some of the things from OS X, but at least in my experience, the copy does not come any close to the original.
So, now that some of the dust has settled and users have "real life" experiences with their $1,500+ Surface Book's, we need to start complaining. The Surface Book is a very, very expensive product. For it to have SO many issues on release is more than unacceptable. Many products get released with day one patches/updates to resolve issues, but the amount of issues we're having with our Book's is a terrible first impression.
Off the top of my head, here is what I experienced or have seen others experience:
- Delays in cursor or touch response while browsing, with only the browser open.
- Screen discoloration while scrolling or just in general.
- Screen flicker.
- Screen detach mechanism not detaching.
- Screen detach not being recognized at all when initiated.
- Blue screens when detaching or reattaching the screen.
- Blue screens while using Edge.
- Blue screens for no reason.
- Bricked units from faulty firmware updates (wow.)
- Track pad having sluggish response (fixed via update for most)
- Overheating or more than normal heat due to inoperable sleep function.
- Battery drain due to inoperable sleep function.
- Edge browser
- Randomly becomes unresponsive/slow.
- Causes issues with the display (the screen flicker problem)
- Eats a lot of memory for no real reason- Using Google Chrome provides a terrible scrolling experience, even with smooth scrolling enabled. (Why does the OSX version work without any issues?)
- WiFi is randomly disconnected or unresponsive (this is incredibly annoying)
- Loud popping noise from the speakers
- Laggy/sluggish scrolling with non-native applications; Slack, Chrome, pretty much anything that isn't a Microsoft product.
- The new dock is causing issues as well
Reading comprehension problem. He was not comparing it to a ten old computer he said it is the most exciting new computer he had in ten years.I can't believe you are even trying to compare a new computer to a 10 year old computer; of course it's going to be light years ahead!
That's because Microsoft's primary focus has long been business and the enterprise which takes first priority, not design or aesthetic. I understand that it feels awkward that different menus use different styles, but the reason for that is so that the system administrators who manage these devices don't have to constantly learn where the different under the hood settings and controls have been moved to.
What is wrong with integrated GPUs other than games? Iris Pro can do 4K at 60hz. That is better than some dedicated GPUs that I have around. The Skylake Integrated GPU can power three 4K monitors.
I eagerly blew away Win8 on a couple systems and was surprised at how Win10 really isn't that different.... there are 3-4 places you have to look for every setting between the two interfaces with this jarring shift between Metro's huge expanses of nothingness and "old" Windows. Screen resolution keeps getting higher yet the interface is dumbed down to a lowest common denominator that could run on a 4" phone, so even on a 14" 1080 screen you feel like you are working at 720. There is no scaling option that works for all the possible interface elements without some things being too small and others being too large.The entire system is still a dysfunctional mix and match between different UI styles...
Tried yesterday.I received my Surface Book yesterday. I'm speechless. This thing is the future,
makes my Macs look obsolete. Not old, but prehistoric old. Incredible.
Photoshop runs like a charm. 16GB of RAM, Nvidia card, 512 SSD, i7. Everything is seamless.
Tablet mode - perfect.
But the device itself is the most amazing. Screen can be detached easily, flipped, reattached.
Pen is as smooth as any Wacom. When in tablet mode, you can use writing recognition
and it WORKS! Anything, web addresses, passwords anything works. Switch to a virtual keyboard
if you want to. When we saw how great writing recognition works, our jaws dropped.
This is my first exciting laptop in ages, more than 10 years for sure.
Feels like the future. My previous comparable experience - first iPhone.
So sad to see Apple being so far behind. Even Windows 10 make OS X look very old...
Sorry, no games and not planning to. Used it last night for a few hours,
mostly with Photoshop. Detached and reattached the screen a few times. Did some Win updates.
Played with Edge, the new browser, hacked the hosts file to kill off all the adds and it worked.
No heat at all. No issues, nothing. Absolutely seamless.
My number one use is Photoshop. This thing has a full SD card slot, what I miss in my Macbook Air 11.
Two USB 3 slots for any external drives etc. BTW my Macbook Air next to this is like an ancient giant cell phone,
4 pounds and a giant antenna sticking out, you know what I mean. Really sad...
I don't think its at the same depth as the new MBP, I think the screen is gorgeous and that was one reason why I opted for the SB over other laptops. Still the new MBP leap frogged the SB in terms of gamut, but then I'm not surprised since it came out 8 or 9 months after the SurfaceBook.Whats the screen like? Wide gamut like MBP? Good Delta E score?
That's all I care about on an editing machine.